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Tue Sep-13-05 10:06 AM
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Where was the clergy during the hurricane and flooding? |
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Particularly of the poorer sections of town. There was a Reverend from the 9th (I think) ward on Washington Journal this morning and that set me to wondering. Did they do everything they could? Did they grab their families and leave town? Did anyone stay to minister to people other than some doctors and nurses, who are in the physical but not the spiritual ministering business?
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Tue Sep-13-05 10:10 AM
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1. Here, there and everywhere. |
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Many clergy coordinated with their congregations to make sure people made it out. Some ministers probably thought about themselves and got the heck out. I know of some clegy who stayed behind in hospitals, nursing homes and shelters.
A network of clergy tried to go to LA and MS as first responders but were told (probably rightly so) to hold off until physical needs were addressed first. There are interfaith clerical organizations working to get pastoral counseling to victims in every state.
Hope that helps.
Rev. Pacifist ;)
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Tue Sep-13-05 10:12 AM
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Tue Sep-13-05 10:11 AM
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2. I heard some people got bibles before they got food |
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I'm not sure where I heard that from, but it might be worth chasing down.
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Tue Sep-13-05 10:15 AM
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4. Given the speed with which food arrived I wouldn't doubt it. |
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We could have gotten them the Koran and the Pali Canon faster.
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Tue Sep-13-05 10:20 AM
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5. I think I could have copied all major world religion religious ... |
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Edited on Tue Sep-13-05 10:25 AM by etherealtruth
... texts by hand, in the time it took.
I am reasonably sure that the bibles came from outside ... I do recall snips of religious clergy begging for help (CNN)...
edit: spelling
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Tue Sep-13-05 10:58 AM
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7. The Canadians got to some of the worst neighborhoods before we did |
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I'm telling you...
If Canada waits until winter so they can get the dogsleds across the border, they'd have an easy time invading us while our forces are stretched so thin.
And they will be greeted as liberators, with hot chocolate and gingerbread men.
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Tue Sep-13-05 10:25 AM
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6. As usual, they were waiting for their daily "talking points" to arrive. |
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Tue Sep-13-05 11:06 AM
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8. Waiting for that massive atheist-organized relief effort. |
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Probably be waiting a while yet.
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Tue Sep-13-05 11:25 AM
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I'm only an occasional church-goer, a seeker of some kind of spirituality, but I have to hand it to churches, anecdotally, in the response to Katrina. In Arkansas, for example, according to an article posted in LBN, Republican Governor Huckabee was reported as saying he'd been asked by FEMA if he had any evacuees. He had 75,000! They were being taken care of largely by volunteer groups, many of them churches. And in my town churches were very helpful with our relatively small number of evacuees.
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Tue Sep-13-05 03:22 PM
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14. I'd like to take this moment to share this little tidbit. |
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http://www.uubrevard.org/hurricane.htmYes, churches, mosques, synagogues, etc. have definitely stepped up to the plate all over.
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Tue Sep-13-05 03:26 PM
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15. Thanks for that additional info, PP! nt |
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Tue Sep-13-05 03:29 PM
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Tue Sep-13-05 11:11 AM
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9. My friend from Lacombe credits local churches in the small town where |
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Edited on Tue Sep-13-05 11:11 AM by Nikki Stone 1
she is staying with great concern and care for the evacuees. My friend is not religious, but she was touched by the churchgoers of the working class town where she is holed up at the moment. These people have little, but they are giving from what they have to help the Katrina victims.
Now, were the clergy part of this effort? Probably. But from my own church experience, I imagine it was a lot of caring individuals who stepped up and the church gave them a place to do that.
If you are asking where the TV evangelists are or where the big bishops are, I can't tell you. I haven't seen a one. I know that Pope Ratzinger is praying for everyone, but I haven't seen him give so much as a lira to the effort. I think John Paul II would have had a much more humane response, bless his soul.
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Tue Sep-13-05 03:28 PM
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16. This is just a drop in the bucket... |
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http://www.uubrevard.org/hurricane.htm but it will give people an idea of how churches are pulling together on this. I don't consider televangelists clergy, but that's an uppity bias on my part. ;)
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Tue Sep-13-05 11:15 AM
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10. They were busy looting the "faith based initiates" coffers. |
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and plotting to assassinate foreign presidents. You know, the usual "christ-like" activities like planting more land mines, and polluting a river somewhere.
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Tue Sep-13-05 11:19 AM
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11. Why, walking on water of course! n/t |
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Tue Sep-13-05 11:22 AM
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12. Of course they have to keep scraping... |
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the oil and chemicals off the bottoms of their sandals.
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Tue Sep-13-05 03:32 PM
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18. On wwltv.com, they had on an archbishop I believe of NO... |
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He was talking about trying to set-up emergency schools and help raise money for the survivors...
Now, I'm guessing that was from Baton Rouge, but I'm not positive. I think I remember a priest calling in to say he was praying for the newsteams that were staying behind in NO, but don't know where he was.
A very good and valid question...
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Tue Sep-13-05 03:45 PM
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19. Most of the episcopal churches on the gulf were destroyed |
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Edited on Tue Sep-13-05 03:46 PM by DanCa
Maybe they were in shock mourning or grieving for their members of thier congregation . I do think the response in the aftermath of the storm is wonderful.
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Tue Sep-13-05 04:22 PM
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20. But Episcopal Relief and Development is already active down there |
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We had a special offering last for ERD last Sunday that raised $12,000 from about 500 people.
And you can be 100% sure that the Salvation Army and the Mennonite Volunteer Corps are pouring everything they have into relief efforts.
The Mennonites don't grag about their efforts, but they're in for the long haul. When Vernonia, Oregon was hit by a flash flood a few years ago, the Mennonites stayed for months helping with repairs and rebuilding.
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Tue Sep-13-05 09:23 PM
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21. I'm a (liberal) minister's wife and I have to say.... |
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...my husband would not have been much help in NOLA during the hurricane, during the flood, or during the search and rescue.
He's an "egghead", not a fireman-type. Isn't much of a power-tool guy, and isn't great with directions or crisis situations. Would probably end up kicking the plug out of a boat.
(did I mention I love him?)
He would have been more useful bugging out of town (with a minivan full of people - we are always taking carless people places) and: 1) networking with churches in other areas to set up shelters 2) requesting help from churches and other organizations 3) providing spiritual help to those who need it 4) helping reunite families
Additionally, people forget that ministers are hired for the job, not their families.
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