Scary, scary thought...what if the Chimp actually resigns Thursday?

[Atman]

Okay, so it's not gonna happen. No way. Right?

But, it got me to thinking..."They" are trying to install Cheney and/or Condi in 08. Even with over three years to go in his term, Bush already seems to have blown any chance his regime has for a guaranteed transition to Unca Dick. In fact, his polling is so far out of whack now that their old methodology -- artificially pumping up poll numbers to within the MOE so as to make the stolen victory appear more plausible -- will not work this time. No artificial bump will be able to create the near 50/50 split they need to pull off the theft.

But, they still have lots of work to do in order to fulfill their Middle East PNAC dreams.

Okay, don your tin foil. They know they NEED to be in office in order to pass their tax cuts, wage their wars, line their pockets. Finalize The Project For A New American Century. And it is now painfully obvious that George W. Bush will not be the man to get them there. Besides, he's a figurehead anyway. So, force him out now. Let Cheney take over. He's hobbled with Bush cooties, and they must know that Cheney stands no chance of actually getting elected on his own in 08. He was hated more than Bush even BEFORE Katrina and Iraq.

So, Bush "humbly" resigns, takes his big bag of loot, and goes home to start drinking in ernest again. Cheney gets to take over. He appoints Condi to VP, who immediately starts a 3-year campaign for the Presidency vs. Hillary. The press will eat it all up. The black woman vs. the white woman, the Post Katrina Guilt Election. It will be a 50/50 split again.

And that is when Diebold delivers another decade to BushCo.

[bluestateguy]

1. Sigh

Bush will never resign. Those of you hoping that he will will be scratching your heads with exasperation when you see that he won't.

[Atman]

8. "Those of you?" Who is "you?"

I said pretty clearly, in sentence one, that I don't think Bush will resign, didn't I?

But read my post again. They NEED the 2008 election. Even the 2006 election is important to them, and W is dragging them all down with him.

And don't forget, Bush has no real power other than temper tantrums. If Poppy and the PNAC boys decide its time for Bush to go, he'll go, and have no say in it. There are billions -- if not trillions -- of dollars at stake, and years and years of planning have gone into this. They will not throw it all away just because Frat-Boy has wigged out.

Now, do I really expect it to happen, especially as soon as this Thursday? Hell no. Don't be so smug. I took out a bit of tin foil, that's all. Lighten up with the superiority complex thing.

[Raster]

72. they (gop neos) need 2006 more than they need 2008 right now.

2006 means being able to control Congress and avoid investigations, possible impeachment and war crimes tribunals. 2008 is a world away. These assholes have to make sure they can stay out of prison until then.

BTW, there is not a snowballs chance in hell * will be resigning.

[asjr]

11. He will never resign on his own. He is too used

to playing president. Now, if he were to have a serious stomach ailment, all bets are off. Anthrax could actually get into the White House. He could then be cured and go to spend more time with his family.

[BlueJac]

2. Let's party

[hopein08]

5. Hell no, cancel the party...

Cheney would be president. I think this would definitely be a case of "better the devil you know."

[BlueJac]

10. It would be one down and one to go!!

Impeach Cheney, he would look good behind bars!

[Bluzmann57]

3. Ok put the bong down and slowly back away

bush ain't going to quit. And maybe you should be a screenwriter because that's an interesting, if improbable, scenario you just described. No offense to you or others, but where in the hell do you people come up with this stuff?

[Atman]

9. I made it up.

Stated pretty clearly in the post.

[sui generis]

12. I just took another hit for fun, so here goes

What If

Bush shows up wearing a kimono, chopsticks in his hair and funny little wooden bunny slippers, then pulls out a short sword, sticks himself in the gizzard, pulls it up and over and across in a sort of figure B, and crashes to the foot of the podium whilst contemplating his pierced gizzard in the light of the rising sun.

Oh wait a second, seppuku was historically used for an "honorable" end. Nevermind. Not gonna happen.

(passes bong)

[Atman]

18. Ah, but my made-up scenerio was at least plausible.

You needed to resort to caricature and ridicule to try to dismiss my point. Which only shows you really didn't have a real argument against it. Again, again...besides the fact that Bush would never resign, what is wrong with my election scenerio? Remember, they NEED the office of president to finalize their agenda.

[sui generis]

19. wow dude, you read w-a-y too much into my reply

I was truly just having fun.

I don't do caricature and ridicule - none of that pissy ass passive aggressive crap for me. I am quite direct in my attacks - this was not one of them.

ANYWAY. People don't have gizzards. :silly:

[Raster]

32. that.was.good. {inhales, passes}

[CatWoman]

61. hey!!! what about me??!!

you guys sure are stingy :D

[Raster]

62. sorry {puffs, passes to catwoman}

enjoy :hi:

I wonder if we could get skinner to give us a "bong" smiley?

[Rob H.]

64. I'll pass you a bong smiley, but promise not to bogart it

:P

It's from right here. (It's called bongsmi.gif.)

[spuddonna]

4. They will have to pry the Presidency from him...

ala Chuck Heston.

He'll never step down... Not until he knows there's a chance he'll be prosecuted...

ETA: These "Evenings with George" (evening speeches) make my head hurt and my stomach ache because I wonder what new hell we have ahead of us...

I'm guessing George thinks Iran has been 'bad', and needs to be nuked? :shrug:

[jackstraw45]

6. Stop it...I can't laugh that much this early...

Bush* resign?

:rofl:

Rove's PR stunt must be working better than he could have expected.

[MissMarple]

7. They should both resign, Cheney and Bush.

Their entire administration is inept.

[HughBeaumont]

13. Quadruple-bypass/pacemaker, behind-the-scene-master Cheney

as PRESIDENT??

Not on ANYONE'S watch. Cheney would have to be in the public eye constantly, and you know how much he despises that. Not to mention that he isn't the most charismatic speaker.

Unless he were just a "transitional" president, like a "transitional pope", to install an even more eye-appealing, aw-shucks neo-clown waiting in the wings to spin, parry and install the PNAC agenda, a la The Dim Son.

[Atman]

14. I challenge any of you to find any flaw in my "theory"...

...beyond the fact that Bush will never step down on his own. There are other ways for internally unpopular presidents to be removed from office, though. Anyway, going on the acknowledged unlikelihood of an actual resignation, what else is wrong with what I posited?

Do you think the GOP is in a strong position to win elections right now? Their entire agenda is in shambles, their poster boy has been revealed, finally, to be a naked emporer. But they are nowhere close to being done. They NEED that office. Period. It's business. So, what would you do? Think like a businessmand. Or Rove. Going from that point, what about my scenerio makes it so implausible to you.

Again, BESIDES THE FACT that Bush will not resign on his own, what is wrong with my little episode of tin-foilishness?

[Clark2008]

26. His poll numbers aren't that horrendous.

That's the fly in your ointment.

40 percent is not 20 percent.

[Atman]

37. But what if the 40% IS 20%?

I don't believe 40% of Americans support him, or agree. The latest CNN poll report from today used a new ABC poll which asked, for the first time, whether respondents "STRONGLY" agree or disagree with Bush. 42% STRONGLY disapprove. Another 13% Disapprove. Those numbers are huge. And they are probably padded like hell.

[The_Mule]

47. What?!

His poll numbers aren't that horrendous? They are some of the lowest ever! Bushs' numbers are not any higher than Nixon's right before he resigned!

Figure 5 at the following link puts things in somewhat historical perspective, even if it uses Gallup numbers (yuck!).

http://www.stat.columbia.edu/~gelman/stuff_for_blog/perspective.pdf

On edit: fixed link address

[AllegroRondo]

29. Not until hes more than halfway through the term

that way Cheney could fill the remaining 2 years PLUS another 2 terms of his own.

[Atman]

40. Doesn't work that way

Read my tin foil scenerio. Anyway, the veep would only fill in the remainder of the president's term. He doesn't get his own four years. They know Cheney is unelectable, but he will have three years to kick some ass, take no prisoners, and shore up the PNAC plans. All the while, his Vice Presidential pick will be Condi, who will campaign for the presidency from day one...her race against Hillary. White female vs. black female. That way they get three years of Cheney, and eight of Condi. Should be plenty of time for them.

[AllegroRondo]

49. Ah -that is much more depressing.

but who would be Condi's running mate?

Santorum?
Frist?

[LeftyMom]

52. They're not going to run Condi

They know thier own base won't vote for a single black woman, let alone an educated one.

[goclark]

71. Maybe * will divorce Pickles and marry Condi!

Then Diebold can make Condi President and Poppy can run the WH from his wheel chair.

[LeftyMom]

73. Then she'd be a homewrecker and worse yet

a sexual being. Women in power aren't allowed to be sexual (the public doesn't even like it in men, they prefer grandfatherly sorts or well scrubbed family men who don't appear to enjoy it) and a black woman certainly couldn't be. Condi's too young to be a granny and too assertive to be the middle-aged family woman, which doesn't appear to be an option on the national level anyhow.

Lately the preference seems to be swinging a bit younger and to more active sorts but the public appears to prefer a grandfatherly sort in the Oval Office. If one were to run a woman, she'd proably be best recieved if she seemed a bit grandmotherly, in a strong but nurturing way. Barbara Boxer could present herself that way, DiFi isn't photogenic enough (and she'd be a lousy canidate anyhow.) I don't really know the congressional delegation well wnough to give better examples.

I don't know the Republican women well enough to guess who they'd be best off running, if they chose to run a woman, which I think would be in thier best interest. Our worst chance would be if they run a relatively centrist woman, they'd probably be able to win over a lot of the undecideds that way, especially if she ran to the middle. Luckily for us, I don't think thier base would allow it and they can't afford to piss off the fundies in an election year, which endorsing a career woman undoubtedly would.

[nadinbrzezinski]

39. nothing absolutely

and the way the press and the people are piling on, that scenario is far more likely than people want to hope for, not necessarily on Thursday, but it may very well be coming.

Oh and you can help it along, repeat after me, impeach, insert this in letters to the press, impeach insert this in conversations, impeach, insert this in letters to congress, this pressure from us is needed.

Remember Nixon was pushed out when it was painfully obvious he would be impeached.

[onenote]

44. I accept your challenge

You state that "They" are trying "to install Cheney or Condi in 2008". What they? What proof? I haven't seen any. What I've seen is indications that George Allen, John McCain, Jeb Bush (despite his denials) and other repugs are chomping at the bit for a shot at the White House. And if things are so bad that leaving Chimpy in office will drag down Condi's chances, why do you think that Cheney as pres will improve those chances? Why not simply have Cheney resign (claiming health problems) and appoint Condi?

onenote

[Atman]

51. THEY are the RNC. The corporatocracy.

The trouble with your scenerio is that Jeb, McCain, Allen, would actually have to get elected in 2008. That is a LONG way away in political years. Anything could happen, but it is unlikely anything GOOD will happen for Bush in that time. The pending economic collapse, if it indeed happens, could kill him. But beyond that, he just has no support left. The 22% base of his is it. Rock bottom. The government cannot do it's mandate crap, invading this and that, overturning popular laws, if the "leader" is totally distrusted. They know that.

When Cheney went to NO, many pundits said he was getting face time. He has been getting ready for his own run in 08. We've also heard that Condi is a big potentian pick. But...Cheney, by his connection to W, has no chance of winning 08. Condi stands a very good chance, and I, as a marketing person, would LOVE to have some of that Hillary v. Condi action. Anyway, they need a PNACer in there to carry out the mission. If Bush resigned, we could bitch all we want, but Cheney will still be president. The press will give him a new honeymoon. The whole "fresh start, cleansing of America" thing. The media will eat it up.

In the meantime, Condi is campaigning, waiting for 08 for her chance to kick Hillary's ass. The white woman/black woman thing will be another media dream. They will LOVE it, and so will we, the people. But Condi won't stand a chance, either, if this administration is FORCED OUT IN SHAME. That is the key. If Bush fakes contrition, and goes out with an apology, he can/will be treated as a brave, honest man by the media. He will have taken a bullet for his country. The GOP can come back to the party. All will be wunnerful. Polls will go up. Cheney will get three years to do what he was having Bush do anyway.

As for just "appointing" Condi, it doesn't work that way. Cheney is legal predecessor to the throne. Condi is nowhere near it. Cheney would be "easy," and would just slide in naturally. He will be asked to select a VP (unless Hastert automatically gets it -- constitutional scholars?) and when he picks Condi, it will be another media love fest.

Come on...do you really see a media party surrounding George Allen? Pshaw! Jeb Bush? Too poison.

Hey, I'm just sayin. It all works. But...will it all happen?

[onenote]

60. according to the 25th Amendment

When there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, "the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress." So there is no impediment to Condi being elevated to VP upon a Cheney resignation. And no admission of a cloud on the administration if Cheney points to his health as reason. So if the "RNC and the corporatocracy" really wants Condi to run for Pres rather than, say, George Allen or John McCain (and I have real serious doubts that is the case), having Cheney step down makes more sense than having Chimpy admit he's a failure, particularly when everyone knows that Cheney was one of the big architects of the Iraq strategy and Condi is one of its big boosters. Katrina alone isn't enough to bring these guys down and keep them down. Iraq will be part of it and I don't believe that the RNC and Corporatocracy will view the architects of the Iraq policy as their best candidates.

onenote

[The Kicker]

15. I would'nt put it past the neocons

to "take him out". Just think, instant martyr for the "republican dynasty". It could happen.

[deadparrot]

16. Nah. That would show weakness.

The GoOP, for all it does wrong, knows not to let any cracks show in their base. Bush resigning would make them look appallingly weak, and life doesn't work like that in their minds.

[Name removed]

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[jaysunb]

20. Gimme your dope mans phone #

that's got to be some great shit ! :evilgrin:

[Patsy Stone]

21. Can we jump off that bridge when we get to it? :) n/t

[Peace Patriot]

27. You made me LOL, Patsy Stone! Hadn't heard that one before. n/t

[Atman]

42. I thought that was a Teddy Kennedy quote...

"We'll drive off that bridge when we come to it!"

[JHB]

22. That's a fear I can face.

Sadly, I predict I won't have to.

[bloom]

23. I think it's possible.

It could have been a set-up. Absolute and utter incompetence (and malicious deprivation) as as reason to resign.

I wouldn't put it past them.

[ComerPerro]

24. I was thinking that a Bush resignation could possibly be even worse

than his presidency. Because, then Cheney would have abosolute power. Granted, he already does, but they have to pretend as though he is not in charge.

Once he gets the White House though, all bets are off.

[bloom]

25. That is how I see it also.... eom

[H2O Man]

28. Zero possibility.

Anyone who thinks there is even a one in a million chance he is thinking of resigning is not able to distinguish reality from the fiction fed to them on television sit-coms.

[bloom]

30. I wouldn't have thought that it was possible that our gov't

(as bad as it is) would keep food and water from getting to disaster victims for 5,6,7 days... while forcing them to stay is a flooded city. But they did.

I don't put anything past them - if they think it will advance their agenda.

[H2O Man]

59. Ignorance is

the mother of all cruelty, as Voltaire noted. Hence no cruelty by this administration should come as any surprise. That should not be confused with the silly "Bush may resign" nonsense that is being pushed in an attempt to make some look ignorant, also. A cruel joke.

[Peace Patriot]

31. Bush will do what the Cartel tells him, and if they want Cheney as Prez,

he will resign. It is not unthinkable at all. He is a programmed puppet.

I hadn't thought about Rice. That's an interesting twist. Could be the plan. (I'm not sure if a Prez can appoint a V-P. Anybody know? I believe that Congress has ultimate power to appoint a Prez in a disputed election. But no V-P is uncharted waters, I think.)

I DO think SOMETHING has gone down. It appeared to me that Rove withheld his spin machines services for 4 to 5 days, during Katrina. Bush getting caught on camera eating cake, while a large chunk of the U.S. got blown away and thousands of Americans were dying, was just too much. How could his handlers have let that happen? Bush was out there on his own, I'm pretty sure. So what did Rove want? Probably a Treasongate pardon.

Spin machine now back up and running. It was notably absent--with Bush floundering around for days. (Interesting newsturd: yesterday, PR that Rove had been in the hospital. Har, har.)

Cheney may also have had Treasongate on his mind--and maybe all of them did. They were all AWOL during Katrina. I think Cheney could rat on Bush, and maybe used that to force Bush to strongarm Blanco to get total control of LA and all aid funds, using the dying poor of NO as an extortion item.

I was also struck by that odd photo op with Daddy Bush and Clinton standing behind Bush Jr. Was that a message to Cheney? Back off?

I think the White House was in disarray--and Katrina was used to teach Bush a lesson on how worthless and useless he is, without his heavy support system. I think there is a growing division between the indictable vs. the unindictable, and/or pro-Bush vs. pro-Cheney factions. Things are calmed down for the moment--pardons in place, Cheney (Halliburton, Bechtel, Fluor, et al) looting of the flood victims, disaster funds and the American people in place. Mission Accomplished (pretty much). And...

I don't know what will happen next. I was thinking a Diebold selected War Democrat--to keep the war going, to put a lid on financial and other investigations, to get a Draft (Bush can't do that), to throw some sops to the populace (like, NOT looting Social Security), and who can then start taking the rap for the war and the Great Depression that's coming, all aimed at installing Jeb in '12.

Although there won't be much left to loot at that point, they still need legal authority to use our war machine and to legitimize and fatten global corporate predators.

One of our best hopes, I think, is the War Democrat having to pay lip service to progressive values such as transparent elections--which I think should be our very first priority. Until we get back the right to vote, there is little else we can do.

Join your local election reform group--or form your own--and start demanding, of state/local election officials:

1. Paper ballots hand-counted at the precinct level (--Canada does it in one day, although speed should not even be a consideration, just accuracy and verifiability)

or, at the least...

2. Paper ballot (not "paper trail") backup of all electronic voting, a 10% automatic recount, very strict security, and NO SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code! (...jeez!).


-------

There is bipartisan corruption of election officials (many Dems signed these "trade secret" contracts with Diebold and brethren), but state/local is still our best shot at getting back transparent, verifiable elections. (Bush's Congress favors this extremely corrupt election system, and funded state election system purchases from Bush's buds at Diebold, ES&s, et al, to the tune of $4 billion.)

Our rallying cry: Election theft machines into 'Boston Harbor' NOW! (--or a Louisiana levee may do!).

[Atman]

43. Ah! A big thinker finally.

I am stunned that so many people think this is so implausible. UNLIKELY, sure. But not at all implausible.

Bush is an anchor now. If people beleive anything they've posted/read on DU for the past four years, you know Bush is a powerless puppet, a front man. And if the front man is fucking up the game, the front man is the most expendable person. They have plenty of back-up players. There is simply too much at stake here. Bush's poll numbers may not be able to go any lower. But things will still get worse in the next three years. Who is left to support him? Does anyone think that lefties will start following the man? How many of the right is lost forever? The numbers simply aren't there for PNAC to finish its plan with Bush at the helm. Period.

This isn't about what Bush wants or will do. He probably has the least say in the issue now.

[NancyG]

56. When Agnew resigned,

Nixon appointed Ford.

[jmowreader]

74. The president can appoint a VP. Nixon appointed Ford.

In 1974, the Republicans ran off the president and vice-president, starting with Spiro Agnew.

After Agnew departed, Nixon chose Gerald Ford as his new vice-president. He was approved, and after Nixon said he wasn't a crook and hightailed it back to California, Ford was elevated to president.

The situation was a bit different then--Nixon was just a garden-variety thug, not a mass murderer.

[leveymg]

76. Do you not recall the Christmas Bombings & Cambodia? Kent State?

"Nixon was just a garden-variety thug, not a mass murderer"

[jmowreader]

78. Compared to Bush, Nixon was a jaywalker

I mean, yeah sure Nixon killed a lot of people.

Now let's look at Bush!

100,000-plus Iraqis
Over 2000 coalition troops in Iraq--and no, I'm not forgetting Poland
Uncountable thousands of Afghanis
A few hundred coalition troops in Afghanistan
Thousands and thousands dead in the Katrina disaster area
3000 on 9/11/2001
163 in the Texas death chamber

Comparing Nixon's body count to Bush's is like comparing the little drop of oil on your t-shirt to the whole barrel of waste oil you dumped into the river.

Trust me on this: all things are relative, and compared to Bush Al Capone was a law-abiding citizen.

Plus, he's hypocritical. Kill one stinkin' person in Texas during Bush's ruinous reign there and he'd be down at Huntsville in the morning to put the needle in your veins himself. Let him kill half a million, and it's cake, guitar and vacation time.

[Protagoras]

33. We'd all need coats

because hell would have frozen over.

[Richardo]

34. So why *Thursday*?

:shrug:

[dolo amber]

35. I'm busy Thursday

Y'think I could call the White House and ask them to move it to like... 11-ish on Saturday? :shrug:

[Atman]

45. Uh...Bush has announced a "major address" Thurs, prime time.

That is why Thursday

[sundog]

66. one week before the autumnal equinox

the planets are aligned

[TheCentepedeShoes]

70. Thank you for asking !

I was wondering about the signifigance Thursday also. Just got home from clueless cubeville.

[LeftHander]

36. Kick fo concurrence...nt

[Seansky]

38. It might only happen if the oil investors

are presuring for delivery and demand that Cheney take over to do so...

[understandinglife]

41. He's not going to resign. He's going to tell you he's just invaded Iran.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4758001

Or Syria, with the message to Iran, do the deal, or else.

I wonder just how long it is going to take to sink in that what everyone witnessed Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rummy, Chertoff, Brown, .... (yes, DO) TO Orleans is the message. They let it happen and now their buddies are going to control it,and rebuild it to better serve the interests of the petroleum and other energy needs of the regime.


Peace.

[spinbaby]

46. You know...

...at first I thought this was an absurd idea, but the more I think about it, the more it makes sense. Chimpy's mental state has been deteriorating so it's getting harder all the time to pretend that he's anything but incoherent. Plus, he probably hates the job--it takes too much time and people are beginning to yell at him. Perhaps they've decided to replace him and send him off to Crawford to cut brush and play video games.

[pitohui]

48. way to pull defeat from the jaws of victory

he ain't gonna resign but if he does it's a good thing

[HR_Pufnstuf]

50. Halliburton stands to make even MORE money.

nt

[Freedom Socialist]

53. Crashchart makes Little Stevie Blunder (Stephen Harper) look electable...

Heh.

:-)

[defiant1]

54. That would be worse than him getting elected in the first place....

Emperor Cheney??

:scared:

I'm not sure I'll be able to sleep tonight.

[newportdadde]

55. You understimate.... the power of the human ego. He will never resign.

[mvd]

57. If Bush resigns..

we could make a case for Cheney doing it, too. If not, the party would be weakened, unless Cheney declares martial law. :scared:

[Rosco T.]

58. I still go with the 'worst case scenarios'...

#1

- cheney resignes
- chimp appoints bro jeb
- chimp resignes
- jeb appoits rudi
- three year head start on campaign '08

#2

- chimp resigns
- cheney appoints condi
- cheney resigns
- condi appoints rudi
- see above

[shaniqua6392]

63. It is not going to happen. And as for Condi...

The Republican base are racists. They only chose Condi for her positions to show how "diverse" they are. But, the red state southern Republican voters will never vote for a black person. I have many relatives that live down in the south in four different states. Their children all say the "N" word as their first word and nobody blinks an eye.

[Atman]

65. But NOW we have "Katrina Guilt."

Americans will be looking to atone for the racism displayed in NO. Personally, I think it would be HYSTERICAL for them to have to choose between a white woman and a black woman. They'd just explode! The white woman is a CLINTON, no less!

*BOOM* there goes another GOP head exploding!

[MojoXN]

67. Well, you're WAY too paranoid...

But that can be a good thing. That aside, your scenario will never play out. Why? Because Bush is unable to take one for the team. A bland platitude about "taking responsibility" is about as far as he'll go, trust me.

MojoXN

[Land Shark]

68. What "tinfoil"? Why apologize? Typical scenarios often considered when

politicos are in trouble....

[12345]

69. I thought you were nuts, until I watched an MSNBC video

where the reporter asked Bush about Brown's resignation as head of FEMA. He didn't even know. Said something like, "Maybe you know something that I don't. When I get back on the plane, I'm going to call some people." We all know that he's not in charge. Maybe you're on to something. Then again, maybe we're just in for another war.

http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/ (DUCT TAPE MAN)

[lonestarnot]

75. This is about the dumbest rumor I've ever heard! LOL

[leveymg]

77. Not a rumor. Not so dumb. Not so implausible. We'll see.

By the way, it may not be Shrub's idea to resign. What would appear to be a resignation from the outside, might be a bloodless coup. Of course, the alternative explanation for the Thurs. night broadcast --to announce a preemptive attack on Iran -- is almost as unthinkable.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/9/11356/61794
Silent Coup: No Spaghetti-Os for Dubya
by leveymg
Fri Sep 9th, 2005 at 08:03:56 PDT
If there was a coup, would we even hear about it? Believe me, if the Joint Chiefs of Staff decided to do such a thing, it would all be behind closed doors, and none of us would likely ever know that it had really happened.

This is how a coup against the Bush Administration would most likely unfold. Not with a bang, but with a whimper.

leveymg's diary :: ::
At a closed meeting of the JCS in a secure conference room below the Pentagon, six Generals and Admirals agonized over a decision that all assembled had known for months was going to have to be made.

With a unanimous vote, the Joint Chiefs decided to finally act against what their staff had identified as the greatest emerging threat to the security of the United States of America. Ten thousand Americans had already died needlessly, and the bleeding national wound had to be staunched.

Later that day, an ultimatum would be delivered by a very close friend of the family to George H.W. Bush, Sr. A delegation of GOP luminaries would then be dispatched by the family patriarch to tell Vice President Cheney that he, too, will be resigning for health reasons.

That evening, there would be an intervention in the White House residence. Karen and Condi would be seated nearest to W, each holding the President's hand. Pickles would lock herself in her suite, pour herself chilled vodka out of a sterling tea decanter, and chain-smoke Parliaments, crushing the butts into an eggshell china saucer, the last piece of a set that had been given to President Thomas Jefferson by the First Ambassador from France.

After those nearest and dearest delivered the bad news that he would no longer be able to play President, W would begin to mutter, "It's just so hard. . . it's just so hard." His cheeks and nose would break out into reddish splotches, and his jaw would grind involuntarily. W would find himself again with an overwhelming desire for Scotch and some cocaine.

After a few minutes of quiet sobs and muttering, the President would suddenly look around the room, a new expression -- half of exaltation and half of rage -- across his face. His voice vibrating with a flat West Texas drawl. "I know it's those fucking Democrats and their, uh, commie friends. I want them all, uh, killed - start with that bitch Clinton. Get General Myers and Porter Goss on the phone."

"Mr. President, that is no longer an option."

Not really hearing the voices telling him to relax, Bush would rise from his overstuffed, leather reclining Barka Lounger chair. "Now! I said, get me the fucking phone, Andy!!"

With a nod from Andrew Card, two Secret Service agents would grab W from behind and with one practiced, frightfully swift movement, lift him from his feet and press him firmly flat into the recliner. A Naval Officer, the White House physician, would again jab a hypodermic needle into Bush's arm -- a double dose of the usual anti-depressant cocktail, this time mixed with a powerful sedative.

For the next ten hours, President George W. Bush would sprawl motionless, like a limp puppet in his Barka Lounger. The TV would stay tuned to the same channel for the next two days. The Cartoon Channel would carry no news bulletin about the sudden resignation of the President and Vice President of the United States.

As the last aide exited the room on the last day of his Presidency, W was heard murmering over and over to himself, "I want the Rice-A-Roni tonight mommy, not the Spaghetti-Os. No Spaghetti-Os for Dubya, mommy."

Copyright 2005, Mark G. Levey

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79. I can't imagine in the current social and political

climate in America, ANY woman being elected President, or even getting nominated by either party.

Can you really envision a black woman, in America, right now, with the uneducated, ignorant electorate, being elected President? When references to Kerry speaking French harmed him? A black woman?

Racism and sexism are rampantly alive in America, and I cannot see Shrub's fundamentalist followers ever electing a black woman, even if Bushco set her up, into the Oval Office.

Just look at the racism that has been shown by Shrub's followers regarding the Katrina victims. Condoleeza Rice being elected by these people?

I just can't see it - and Hillary doesn't have an iceberg's chance in hell either, just because she's female, if nothing else.