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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 10:38 PM
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Barbara Boxer Asks--What Are They Hiding?
Edited on Tue Sep-13-05 10:46 PM by bliss_eternal
Boxer Calls For Information On Roberts Nomination
(in a letter to *)

Senator Asks: What Are They Hiding?


September 13, 2005

Washington, DC – U.S. Senator Barbara Boxer (D-CA) gave the following speech last night on the Senate floor regarding the Roberts nomination:

Mr. President, I thank the Senator from Maryland for her leadership in reaching out to the people of this country, asking them to send in their questions for Judge Roberts. As she noted, 25,000 individuals wrote in questions and we received a total of 40,000 questions. It shows the American people have a lot at stake. This is a serious time for our country, and a very important nomination. We certainly know that.

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The Judiciary Committee began its hearings today on Judge Roberts. This is a vital part of the advice and consent role of the Senate. Before we vote, it is every Senator's duty to find out if Judge Roberts will uphold or undermine our fundamental freedoms, the freedoms that essentially define us as Americans. It is our duty to find out if Judge Roberts will fulfill the promise etched above the Court itself: Equal justice under the law -- not justice only for the powerful, but equal justice for all. And when I say we have a duty, I am talking about our responsibility as Senators to act on behalf of we the American people.

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What is there to hide? It is a very important question. Senators on both sides of the aisle should be asking that question. Before we confirm Judge Roberts to a lifetime appointment as Chief Justice, we need to know everything possible about his views and philosophy. This isn't because it is interesting, because I am sure it would be interesting. Judge Roberts is a very bright and interesting man. But it is because every American's rights and freedoms hang in the balance. Judge Roberts has a very thin record on the bench. Therefore, his writings and statements, when he worked for the Reagan administration and the first Bush administration, become very important.

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We are talking about a very narrow request -- only 16 cases -- not a broad request for all records. What are these cases we are asking about? They include three about reproductive health, five about discrimination and civil rights, and three about the environment. These are the very issues Americans told us they wanted Roberts to answer questions about when they wrote to our web site.


I believe the American people want transparency and openness in this process. This should not be some hide-and-seek, catch-me-if-you-can deal. This is about someone who could sit on the Court for 30 years, or more. This is someone who is going to influence the lives of our grandchildren and perhaps even our great grandchildren.
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In addition to getting the information on these cases, Judge Roberts also must answer questions, and I hope he is going to do that. I know a couple of my colleagues on the other side of the aisle today seemed to be counseling him not to answer questions. One of them cited Judge Ginsburg, and said she drew the line by refusing to answer questions.

Let me tell you what Judge Ginsburg said at her hearing when she was asked about Roe v. Wade and a woman’s reproduction freedom. She said: “It's a decision she must make for herself. And when Government controls that decision for her, she is being treated as less than a fully adult human.”

That is a quote from Ruth Bader Ginsburg. And it is certainly at odds with all that Senator Hatch and others are saying about how Ruth Bader Ginsburg didn’t answer questions about key legal issues. No. 1, her writings on this and other topics were extensive. Then at the hearing, she said clearly that when the Government takes control -- I am going to read it again:

“When Government controls that decision, a woman is being treated as less than a fully adult human.”
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We need to know if Judge Roberts thinks the right to privacy is a fundamental right. We know he wrote about it as the so-called right of privacy.

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We also need to know why Judge Roberts argued before the Supreme Court and on national TV that our Federal courts and marshals had no role in stopping clinic violence when women were being threatened and intimidated at family planning clinics all over the country.

It is time for Judge Roberts to say what he really thinks – on privacy, on gender discrimination, on civil rights, on the environment. On the appellate court, he wrote an opinion that raises questions about whether he would find the endangered species act constitutional. Does he think it is our right in the Congress to pass environmental laws that protect all Americans?

As Senator Mikulski said, the role of the women Senators is very important. Women across America are counting on us to stand up, to ask the questions, and to get the answers. When we vote on this nomination, it must be an informed vote either yes because we believe he will protect our rights and freedoms or no because we have not been convinced.


Full letter available here:
http://boxer.senate.gov/news/record.cfm?id=245632
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 10:41 PM
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1. Roberts worked for KEN STARR??????
WTF? Stop the questions. Bang the gavel. Throw the bum out. He is uniquely UNqualified to sit on the highest court in the land.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 10:45 PM
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2. YES!
get a clue...you don't realize how dangerous this Johnny Bob Taliban is....!!!! He makes Scalia look docile....got it?
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 10:50 PM
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4. Yes--the Starr stuff came out months ago...
Sorry that you missed that.

He was also the guy that helped Ronald Reagan allow the pro-life people to terrorize women in front of abortion clinics. He deemed that the people protesting women obtaining ANY family planning services ALSO had civil rights. HE GAVE THEM the right to terrorize others and make clinics a war zone, instead of just a place where they can get a Pap smear and birth control.

:eyes:

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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 10:53 PM
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8. Excuse me?
"get a clue...you don't realize how dangerous this Johnny Bob Taliban is....!!!!"


I don't? I've been railing against the bastard from day one. He is wicked dangerous, and I've posted several threads to that effect. However, for some reason I missed the Ken Starr connection.

I have a clue. Get some civility, or don't post when you're drunk.
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blossomstar Donating Member (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 11:08 PM
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10. I didn't know the KIen Starr stuff either and
I thought that I was following this (another * disaster) pretty closely!
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 11:42 PM
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14. Honestly--so much happened pretty quickly...
Just prior to Rove and Plame were the Downing Street Memos.

No sooner than Rove-Plame-gate, did the announcement of the Roberts nomination. Some said we should ignore the Roberts nomination and focus on Rove/Plame--

Some were still reeling from both of these, then London was hit by the bomb--and of course, talk of terrorism here, were we safe, blah, blah, and then Katrina hit.

I can understand how some may have missed some of the details behind Roberts. I was kind of obsessed with it, so I read a lot about him--as I wanted to be informed, and to be able to state exactly WHY I didn't want him nominated.

But I realize others may have had their focus elsewhere (understandable--lots to focus on), or got overwhelmed by the enormity of all the f*** up's of this administration. It would be hard to not be overwhelmed by it all...

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 10:54 PM
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9. Yep
Everything ties together. Bush only promotes people who are in his inner group and who he knows are loyalists. I remember watching the interview with Kay Griggs and she made the suggestion that Lewinsky was a setup to get Clinton since he wasn't like them or part of the group and they had their plans that they are doing now.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 10:49 PM
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3. Oh yeah AND he worked on the 2000 election SCOTUS lawsuit.
Conflict of interest? Nah! Not for repukes! :eyes:

He helped to get the idiot appointed by the SCOTUS. His appointment is payback.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 10:52 PM
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6. And he advised during Iran-Contra, but yesterday's headline?
"Roberts says he has no agenda" :eyes:
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 11:49 PM
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17. See post #16..
there's a link, where they talk about his link to Raygun and Iran-Contra.

Thanks for reminding me of this! :hi: It bears repeating!
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 10:52 PM
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7. ..doesn't that just burn you?
:mad:

I can't believe this is happening?

It's like the devil has risen to power and is now declaring Saddaam Hussein his second in command--oh wait, that was South Park. Either way, it's disturbing.

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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 11:16 PM
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11. Does it burn me?
:grr::nuke::grr::nuke::grr::nuke::grr::grr::nuke::grr::nuke::grr::nuke::grr::grr::nuke::grr::nuke::grr::nuke::grr::grr::nuke::grr::nuke::grr::nuke::grr::grr::nuke::grr::nuke::grr::nuke::grr::grr::nuke::grr::nuke::grr::nuke::grr::grr::nuke::grr::nuke::grr::nuke::grr::grr::nuke::grr::nuke::grr::nuke::grr::grr::nuke::grr::nuke::grr::nuke::grr:




Nah. ;)

YES!!!!! It does burn me! Our Democracy is gone. Our government is corrupt from the top to the bottom. Dems and repukes. They're ALL corrupt. The Democrats know his past. They know he helped get the idiot appointed. The whole thing STINKS.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 11:43 PM
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15. Agreed!
Just wanted to tell you how cute your little pup is! What an adorable doggie! So sweet!
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 10:51 PM
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5. Then can he tell Ken Starr I'd like my $87 Million Back Now?
Fucking Dick.
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 07:20 AM
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22. Isn't there some sort of legal statute that would prevent him from
being on the highest court in the US because he was involved in an investigation of a US President?

Or is it just wishful thinking?
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 11:22 PM
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12. I've been wondering that very same thing for quite some time. n/t
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 11:33 PM
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13. He's only heard 16 cases and now wants to be appointed FOR LIFE to hear
major, CONSTITUTION ALTERING cases and sit in JUDGEMENT?

No. FUCKING. Way.

He hasn't enough experience. Drum THAT.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 11:45 PM
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16. Let's not forget this part of his past (please look)...
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 11:59 PM
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18. His Iran/Contra connection alone should be enough for Dems to realize
that they really need to investigate this guy BIG time and put up one helluva fight! :mad:
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 01:03 AM
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19. Well 40,000 questions should make for a good filibuster
And the email I got about this said "Why are they PUSHING this now?" The Supreme Court can function without one Judge and O'Connor is not leaving until another one is appointed.

Yea, Why the rush?

And what pisses me off more is I don't hear many Democratic Senators fighting against this Person with a pretty face that we know nothing about.

I agree with Bill Mahr. He acts too perfect. He must be barking crazy somewhere.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 02:11 AM
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20. I agree--
I would think they may be attempting to rush this through for a few reasons:

1. Because this admin. is going to need him in on the Rove/plame scandal.
Or
2. Because they want to satisfy the religious right that they promised to do away with Roe v. wade.
OR
3. Because they have something else planned that is beyond the course of evil they have already explored, and I can't even imagine what it could be...

:scared:

Whatever it is, it isn't good...
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 08:15 AM
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24. Well it's time the Dems go back on their word. They agreed
not to filibuster before all this information came out. It's a different day and a different story now. They don't have to b accountable to anyone - except the people of the United States.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 10:30 AM
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27. I hadn't thought of that--the immediate help he might be to the Cartel re:
Treasongate. I was thinking more of the 1920s, when the fat cats and Robber Barons of those days destroyed the U.S. economy (crash of '29) through sheer, unadulterated greed, and nothing was done through two successive, do-nothing Republican regimes, with half the country unemployed and starving. When FDR was elected, and began to implement his New Deal programs--to provide humanitarian aid, and to re-start the economy by direct employment of millions of Americans in government works projects (the WPA, the CCC, etc.)--the major obstacle that he faced was the Supreme Court, filled with dinosauric, pro-rich, pro-business appointees of the previous Republican regimes who had destroyed the country. FDR had to battle those "Justices" throughout his presidency.

I see something similar here. The massively greedy Bushites have looted the federal government, and created a projected trillion dollar deficit, and have pursued many highly irresponsible policies to make the rich much richer, and the poor much poorer--just as in the 1920s. Somewhat different methods of enrichment and impoverishment, but the same result. Profligate spending on the rich, in the form of enormous tax cuts for the rich and for corporations, and billions and billions of dollars in military and other porkbarrel spending benefiting only a few; starvation of programs for the poor and for the common good (for instance, the New Orleans levees). The utter unbalance of their actions, and their attitude, is very similar to the 1920s.

If we have learned nothing else from the Crash of '29 and the Great Depression, it is that a great divide between the rich and the poor is a symptom of extreme peril and ill health in the country. The Bushites seem to be deliberately re-creating that condition. They took a prosperous economy and decent-minded government and quite destroyed them--meanwhile permitting oil companies and others to profligately jack up prices and profiteer from various disasters and distresses, adding to the burdens of the poor and middle class. And as a final coupe de grace, they changed the bankruptcy laws to harm the poor, and actually began killing the poor--by withholding and blockading aid to poor people in the Hurricane Katrina disaster.

It is the 1920s writ large, with global corporate predators as the drivers, rather than the mere "big businesses" and Robber Barons and irresponsible market speculators of the '20s.

The attitude is startlingly similar. In the late '20s, just before the Crash, the super-rich held a "Beggars' Ball" in the Waldorf-Astoria, where they all come dressed up like street people and the homeless (called "tramps" and "hobos")--and danced and feasted the night away under the glittering chandeliers.

How is this different from Bush Jr. eating birthday cake, while New Orleans was blown off the map and thousands of poor Americans were dying, or Barbara Bush saying that the dead and dying huddled in the Superdome were better off than they had been in their hovels in New Orleans? Better off dying in their own filth, than being alive in their homes, albeit humble ones? Better off starving to death, or suffering the horrors of dehydration, than eating their humble meals in their humble homes?

And what OF their poverty--which made them so vulnerable to the withholding and blockading of disaster aid? Think of that poverty, and Bush Jr.'s address to the fat cats in white ties and tails, gathered for a sumptuous dinner, to hear the President of the United States describe those before him--the "have's"--as "his base."

Or Dick Cheney off buying himself an estate, while the poor perished from neglect in the New Orleans disaster? Or Condi Rice buying thousand dollar shoes?

There is one critical difference between the 1920s and today. The bad guys of the 1920s had nothing like electronic voting with SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code, to twiddle elections in their favor. There were many ways of corrupting elections in those days--and political machines of both parties employed them--but nothing like the swift, sure, undetectable vote stealing that became possible in the 2002-2004 period, by the $4 billion porkbarrel funding of Bushite electronic voting companies, aided by the corruption or collusion of Democratic election officials and other Democratic leaders.

This is not incompetence, or stupidity, or a few bad guy robber barons and speculators spoiling things for everybody, because Republicans wouldn't regulate them. This feels more as if our democracy were committing suicide.

But, in any case, here we are again--with the rich cleaning our clocks, almost frantically, grabbing every tax break and goody they can ram through--with the opportunity that Diebold and ES&S have given them--nobody minding the store, the government headed off the cliff into bankruptcy, thousands of Americans dying of dehydration, starvation and neglect in a major disaster (reminiscent of the Dust Bowl), and their chief concern is to lock their pro-rich, rightwing , fascist appointees into Supreme Court, as insurance against any serious government reform in the future.

What the New Deal demonstrated is that democracy could right itself, could correct a serious imbalance in political power, and could change course if the country was headed for, or in the middle of, disaster.

The ravages and exploitations of the rich had gone way too far. The New Deal--an expression of the will of the majority in great distress--introduced socialist and regulatory elements into our system that were vitally needed balances against the excesses and greed of the rich. Emergency programs employed people. Long term programs like Social Security put a net under people, in cash the rich looted and destroyed their savings once again.

We have no such corrective mechanism now. We have lost our right to vote. (You think Diebold and ES&S would let an FDR into the White House?) We still have a chance to recover our right to vote, with election reform at the state/local level. But not much time.

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We need...

Paper ballots hand-counted at the precinct level (--Canada does it in one day, although speed should not even be a consideration, just accuracy and verifiability)

or, at the least...

Paper ballot (not "paper trail") backup of all electronic voting, a 10% automatic recount, very strict security, and NO SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code! (...jeez!).

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If we do NOT get this done, we will be in very big trouble--whoever Diebold and ES&S decide to install in the White House. Could be a War Democrat for four years, to get a Draft, and to make way for Jeb. You can be damned sure it won't be an FDR, who had the vision to balance predatory capitalism with limited socialism. And whoever it is will be facing both a Diebold/ES&S elected Congress and a Bush Cartel Supreme Court.

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As for Treasongate, who knows? The criminals involved have become so powerful that they have probably already bought their way out, one way or another. With all the goods they have on their puppet Bush, presidential pardons should be easy to extort. And Bush himself will not likely be held accountable, since WE THE PEOPLE no longer have the power of the vote to hold ANYONE accountable.

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Here's a brief primer on the Great Depression. It'll send chills down your spine.
http://us.history.wisc.edu/hist102/lectures/lecture18.html

The quotes by the NYT, and by John Jacob Raskob (Chief Executive of General Motors and head of the Democratic National Committee!) are especially disturbing. (Both quotes are just below the pix of Herbert Hoover.)
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 06:32 AM
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21. kick
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HoosierClarkie Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 07:25 AM
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23. kick.
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 08:17 AM
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25. Hey let's recommend this to get it up on the top. Time is of the essence
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SeanQ Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 08:20 AM
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26. Three cheers for the esteemed Senator Barbara Boxer!!!
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 11:02 AM
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28. kick
and Roberts will continue to not seem to have an opinion on very much of anything
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 05:52 PM
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29. They're Hiding Poppy's Diary and His Criminal Pardons
What was Roberts' "advice" on those impeachable offenses? And perhaps he can explain the finer points of Bush v. Gore?

Not likely.

But on the upside, it will make it easy to impeach/remove him (yes, really) when we get our country back.

--
www.january6th.org
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