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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 12:35 AM
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I did a handwriting analysis on GWB's note that was posted here.
I'm not a professional, and used an on-line free test to get the analysis, but you might find the results quite interesting.
The sample letter I used is posted at post # 122 on the following
link. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4772605#4772606

This is the ssite I used to do the analysis.

http://www.quantumenterprises.co.uk/handwriting/index.htm

Here is the actual note I used.
http://photos1.blogger.com.nyud.net:8090/img/56/2213/640/bushletter.jpg

Handwriting Sample Details
Size: Moderately Large Sample Ink Colour: Black
Writing Implement: Biro Paper Type: Plain


Personality Chart


Independence
Assertiveness
Submissiveness XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Perfectionism
Ambition
Aggression
Extraversion
Worldliness


Personality Description

To begin the analysis, the subject's handwriting shows rigidity and tautness, as if the forward movement of the pen has been carefully restrained. The personality reflected by this type of writing is one of caution and conformity. The subject leans more to the conventional in dress and behaviour, preferring to maintain control, if possible, at all times. He probably has a fairly small number of friends, but values these relationships highly and works hard to maintain them. He does not normally enjoy emotional scenes or doing something unexpected.


The subject's desire to maintain emotional control may have even evolved into an inability to give free vent to his feelings. Perhaps he finds himself impassive and uninvolved when other people are feeling great joy or grief. He may even feel embarrassed or uncomfortable in the presence of people who can readily express their emotions. Because the subject feels incapable of expressing emotions, which he fears and distrusts, he tends to remain calm and cool in situations which might cause others to panic. This may sometimes be an advantage, but at other times is a major problem because of the apparent lack of empathy.



The pressure used throughout the script is average in intensity, indicating that the subject is able to maintain a balance between too much activity and too great a degree of lethargy. As a result, he lacks the intense drive and enthusiasm shown by writers with heavy pressure, but will be equally tolerant of inactivity in those who use a lower pressure in their script. He will be good at working methodically at the more routine tasks.


The subject has a signature that is smaller than 85% of the population, and as a result does not have a very high opinion of himself preferring to avoid the limelight whenever possible.
He often has self-doubts in his abilities and appears to lack confidence.
Although he may enjoy the benefits of high status, if the role is forced upon him , he is unlikely to seek acclaim and attention. He is more modest than a writer with a big signature and can accept criticism more readily.
This characteristic also ties in with a submissive personality (see below).


The signature is written quite illegibly indicating some sense of superiority. Writers who scrawl their signature are saying that the reader of the document should know who they are, without having to actually be able to read the words. He is also conveying the impression that he is working at high speed under pressure, and this is all of his valuable time that he can spend on the issue.


The capital letters in the script are generally smaller than the other ascending letters indicating that the subject has a moderately submissive personality.
This ties in with the small signature and shows that he is generally a fairly timid, cautious and passive individual.
He finds it quite hard to develop relationships, and usually yields to the desires of others. He will not put himself at an advantage if it means attracting attention. He does not like to bargain and finds it hard to resist persuasion from others.
He hates argument, and if any injustice is done to him he will not usually make a scene, as he hates to row. Any anger or aggression will be concealed and may smoulder for some time. He feels uncomfortable in the presence of those with more power or knowledge than he has. His protests will be mild if he is the recipient of poor service or faulty goods, and in the role of host he is unlikely to liven up a party.
He prefers not to flout convention (as indicated with restrained writing), and this behaviour helps to avoid any attention being drawn to himself.
He finds that he is quite easily dominated and will usually go along with the wishes of a more assertive person, rather than risk argument. He dislikes making decisions and prefers to follow rather than to lead.


A number of artful simplifications in the handwriting show that the subject is considerably intelligent (scoring 3 out of a possible 5 in the IQ categories). He has the intellectual capacity that would enable him to be successful in a career such as teaching, journalism or computer programming.


A variation in pressure throughout the script indicates that the subject is more prone to anxiety than the average person, and may be the victim of emotional upsets.


There are cases of isolated ambiguity throughout the script which shows that the subject is over-concerned with concealment. He is attempting to cover up, and keep aspects of his personality or private life hidden from view or cloaked in mystery.
This type of handwriting is found in professions which demand a high degree of confidence keeping, such as lawyers, bankers and doctors.
It is wrong to interpret isolated ambiguity as a sign of a deceitful personality, but it does show a need for the subject to hide some part of his personality or background which may cause embarrassment or anxiety.


There are a few indications in the handwriting that, at the time of writing, the subject was suffering from mild stress. This may be temporary, for example if he was upset, tired, or working against a deadline. However, the subject may be living at an unacceptable level of stress, one which is beginning to affect his physical well being.
These are warning signs in the handwriting, and indicate that the subject should pause and reflect on those aspects of his lifestyle which may be causing long-term difficulties. He should try to reduce them whenever possible, relax more frequently, check his diet, and perhaps take more exercise. Stress can be beneficial, but if allowed to get out of control, it may prove a hazard to mental and physical health.



END OF REPORT

I found the very last paragraph most interesting!

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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 12:39 AM
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1. That was fascinating.
And from what you posted, sounds like it was right on the mark.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 12:41 AM
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2. You mean he needs to take another 5 week vacation?
I wish I had an employer who dealt with employee stress like that.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 12:42 AM
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3. That note seems almost too literate to be him.
Edited on Thu Sep-15-05 12:49 AM by Cleita
:shrug:
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 12:43 AM
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4. That WAS facinating.
And, I quite agree, on the mark.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 12:48 AM
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7. I know when I read it, I was stunned to see so many things that
seem aparent, to me at least, are there!

A long time ago, our womens auxilary had a handwriting analyst as a guest and he did everyones HW that night. I've been convinced ever since that there's a lot displayed in your sursive writing. If you look, you can even see differences in your own, based upon the type of day you're having, of a situation you're in.

Makes you want to say Hmmmm
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degreesofgray Donating Member (226 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 12:44 AM
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5. "a wonderful Holiday"?
Wasn't it the Bush crowd that was harping on liberals for eschewing the traditional Merry Christmas greeting for Happy Holidays? I mean, what's next, the president wishing his constituents a Happy Winter Festival?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 12:46 AM
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6. And this one's mine from before.
Edited on Thu Sep-15-05 12:47 AM by aquart
Also, your sample from last year shows a much more uniform pressure than this sample. (Also, last year he was working out much more or getting laid much more or both.)


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4771968

Does this man have ANY sex life at all? (Do you see a lower loop? I don't. And that capital K says "afraid of sex.") In "I think I may..." the I's are extremely independent. But he goes back to schoolform handwriting for the capital I in "Is this possible..." when he asks permission.

This man needs his space. He also...fakes intimacy in relationships. The K in 'think' with its space between the two parts of the letter. He gladhands and gives a good outward show of friendship but the reality and concern isn't there.

Oh, my. This baby is a lot sharper than he's been getting credit for. Look at the deep v's in the m's. Odd that he should be of such an analytical bent when we don't see any of it. The disconnection is listed as being a sign of intuition. He intuits he needs a bathroom break, but his writing connects for logical analysis when he asks if it's possible to have one.

He exerts uneven pressure on the strokes which can indicate "an inability to modify actions in time to meet environmental changes smoothly." Which can also mean he's indecisive, irritable, and quick tempered.

He has wide spacing between his words, which is a sign of being "out of touch, distrustful," full of fear and isolation.

He's ambitious, not always realistically (That personal pronoun I again. One of them has a crossbar clean off the stem.)


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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 12:53 AM
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9. Absolutely facinating. I wish there was a real HW expert on DU!
I don't know about you, but I just dabble and sure don't pretend to be an expert! I must admit, I used what I know when I was interviewing people to work for me.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 01:08 AM
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14. I was surprised at the investigative/analytical mind set, too
The man isn't stupid, and, as you say, he shows great intuitiveness. Shocking, given what he's shown us.
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 12:53 AM
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8. No handwriting analysis is needed. At the time he wrote the UN note, he
was full of shit.

And still is.
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fleabert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 03:00 AM
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18. ha!
Edited on Thu Sep-15-05 03:00 AM by fleabert
:rofl:!
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ladylibertee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 03:02 AM
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19. DITTO that Ha
:rofl:
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 01:00 AM
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10. A professional handwriting analyst would tell you....
you can't analyze something that's printed and you definitely can't give an accurate analysis with such a small sample.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 01:06 AM
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13. Of course that's true, for an extremely accurate analysis, but
a professional would also see things in that printed, computer copy, that would indicate things that I don't, or perhaps confirm some things I think I see.

We're not trying to prove anything here. Just confirm what most of us thought we saw in this Pres. for a long time.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 01:01 AM
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11. proof positive: Bush is a bottom.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 01:03 AM
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12. I was a certified graphoanalyst 25 years ago...
Edited on Thu Sep-15-05 01:11 AM by Blue_In_AK
I took the class for fun and out of curiosity, but I was amazed at how accurate it was. I did analyses of people I didn't know, relatives of friends or whatever, and could almost exactly peg them every time. It just kind of blew my mind, because I had been skeptical of graphoanalysis when I started out.

The report above was interesting. I can tell that this graphonomy uses different criteria than the graphoanalysis that I learned, so I would have had somewhat different results, I think, just looking at it quickly, although generally similar. To do a fairly good graphoanalysis, not using a computer, takes about six hours, and I really don't want to put the energy into studying **'s handwriting that much, but I think I'll bookmark this to look at later just in case I get inspired. It's good to see a sample, although as someone mentioned above, it's always best to have several original samples taken over time.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 01:10 AM
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15. Thanks! I sure don't expect you to spend six hours. BUT....
please be sure to let us know if you decide to take a look. I also understand you really shouldn't use a computer copy of a note, so whatever you might deduct from a relatively quick analysis, we would accept as total assumptions.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 01:30 AM
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16. Absolutely fascinating.
'The lines don't lie'. Like others, I was surprised and amazed that the Old Boy was capable of even writing such a sophisticated note. And this was fairly recent.

Now, one thing really caught my eye: the last paragraph which refers to stress. It looks like he's living with an unacceptable level of stress which is starting to affect him.

And we're certainly seeing that. And things here in the US have gotten much worse since he wrote this note.

Thanks napi for the interesting stuff.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 02:26 AM
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17. A few observations...
First of all, I'm just a beginner at graphology, and so can't claim to be doing a thorough analysis. However, a few items stood out to me.

He has an ascending baseline, which indicates an optimistic outlook.

He "print-writes," meaning that he breaks words in the middle instead of connecting the letters. However, in addition to breaking in some efficient places (such as after "i" and "t"), he also breaks in inefficent places (between the "o" and "t" of "total" and "votes"), which indicates a wandering mind.

Several of his "i"s are dotted well to the right of the letter itself, which would indicate forward-thinking. However, several are also dashed, which would indicate, at the least, impatience. (One book suggests it would also indicate brutality.)

He only includes one "personal pronoun I," but that one would suggest unresolved issues with his parents. Note the small, unclosed upper loop and the absent lower loop.

His "y"s seem to change drastically. I don't have enough experience to analyze this, except to note that some experts think the "y" gives important clues into one's sexual issues. (You hereby have permission to let your imaginations run wild. ;-) )

What is very apparent is that his writing is centered in the mid and lower zones, with a very short upper zone. The upper zone represents the intellect. Is anyone here surprised?

His "f"s are little more than a downstroke. More to the point, although it's hard to judge pressure from a low-res scan such as this, it sure looks to me like the ends of his downstrokes often end with greater pressure (a bit wider) than the rest of the stroke. These are known as "club strokes," and can indicate a tendency toward cruelty or even violence.

One way in which graphology is used in crime-solving is to look for places where the spacing between words increases; these would indicate places where the writer was not being honest. (According to one of the experts, this is especially clear if the left margin becomes smaller on the same line.) Given these, look at "an historic nationwide victory" -- either he doesn't believe he really won the 2004 election :tinfoilhat: , or, more likely, he realized that such a narrow result scarcely deserves the claims of a sweeping mandate (or "an historic nationwide victory") his own handlers were claiming.

One worrisome note on the same subject: look at the similar increase in spacing in "to lead this nation for four more years." There's a big gap on each side of the "four." Does this indicate that he doesn't expect to be President for all four years? Or, more seriously, does it suggest that he expects to be in charge for far longer than his remaining term? :scared:

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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 08:09 AM
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20. Thanks for your assessment. You know a lot more about this
subject than I do, and I love reading all the opinion posts here. I realise all of us are simply opining and none of our observations really prove anything. I do find it interesting that most of the info supports what we've been saying about Shrub for 5 years!
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 12:50 PM
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21. I only have a minute
Edited on Thu Sep-15-05 01:17 PM by superconnected
but can add my full analysis later.

His unstable baseline shows he is emotionally unstable. Some lines get closer to others, which show that he doesn't always plan things well.

The long brace stroke in the G of his signature shows he is very determined.

He is making some intellegent connections here and it is fast writing. He isn't as slow of a thinker as we've been taking him for.
He's also using figure 8's which shows fluidity in thought.

The y's changing is disturbing. He may not know exactly who he is underneath. Sometimes he has triangles in the y's which shows agression toward women.

His connections are arcade and thread - the worst combo you can get. That means he hides, will never take responsibility, and will say anything to get out of sticky position.

He has some extra lead in strokes that he doesn't need. He wastes time before he starts getting things done.

Low upper zone shows he's not driven by the intellectual.

Those strong downstrokes that are only a stroke show again intelligence and determination. ( I know you guys don't want to hear that but believe me he is no Kerry - I looked a both mens writing during the election)

He has some very dishonest signs:

- making letters that look like other letters -(the down stroke y and f)
- changing letter forms as he writes - deceptive as heck
- omitting letters - the v in victory (often done by stress in a lie)
- The arcade and the thread connection combo (weasles out of things, hides).
- tangledlines - not good use of space.

As Regnad pointed out the wider spacing before the word Nationwide is a pause where he loses natural rhythm. Dropping a letter next, in victory, means it's likely because he was lying.

His letter size is inconsistent showing how inconsistent he is. He aslo has an inconsistent drive - he can't maintain a stable baseline past an individual word.

His lower zones are the longest, so he is driving by things underneath, aquisition, not sex in this case.

He has a good level of ability to show emotion in his slant. He is not giving. His end connections are either kurt or protective - they extend out as in the last letter of his signature.

His ppi (personal pronoun I) shows that his mother was his influence, not his father. His father was non-present.

What I see here is a man who will not be true to any morals/values - thead connections, unstable baseline, unstable letter forms, unstable letter size, and who will weasle in and out of everything by adding extra to convolute(threading forms) the issue as well as distort the truth(deceptive changing letter forms - the y and f as well as making letters look identical - y and f again.
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 02:42 PM
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22. Another Bush Sample.
Edited on Thu Sep-15-05 02:45 PM by superconnected


Note the varying I's. What a sneaky changing devil. It wouldn't be bad except other letters are changing form throughout.

My analysis about mixed up the y and the f. I shouldn't have done it so fast as to not stop and actually to make sure he was using f.

Actually he has 2 f's. The straigt one and the school taught copybook f. Many of his forms are varying. How non-comitting like his threadying.

Note the largest letter on the page - the B in his last name. Large Family ego.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 04:00 PM
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23. One thing I noticed...
...are his "t"s. Normally, he crosses them high-up, with a long stroke, indicating determination and intense pursuit of goals (not surprising from someone who believes himself "God's annointed" to lead the U.S :eyes: ). When he connects the crossbar of the "t" to the next letter ("to," "the"), you would expect the crossbar to be lower, and it is. However, what I noticed is that the crossbar also shrinks in length more than I would have expected. In some cases, it's barely present at all.

superconnected, you've got a lot more experience in this than I have. I've read that a lack of consistency in t-bars indicates a lack of direction or will. (Andrea McNichol, as is her wont, tends to relate it to criminal behavior.) But does that include drastic differences between normal and connecting t-bars, or only when the inconsistency is between t-bars of the same type? I haven't found anywhere where such a distinction is made. Have you?

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caffefwee Donating Member (475 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 10:58 AM
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24. Analyze This




Bush should have majored in English!
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