The flooding of New Orleans: Where was Nostradamus?

[Modem Butterfly]

It seems like any time something BIG happens, there's a prediction from Nostradamus that's applied after the fact. Well, here we have a major US city with French origins being virtually wiped out. Where was Nostradamus, anyway? Or for that matter, Yuri Gellar, Sylvia Browne, and any one of a score of psychics and astrologers and tarot-card readers?

[Smarmie Doofus]

1. Do not fear. They're coming. Never fails. Patience!

[Autonomy]

2. Who needs psychic predictions when you have scientists' predictions?

[...of J.Temperance]

3. Funny you should mention that, because, yes, you guessed it, it's here:

I give you The New City by Nostradamus:

http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/newcity.htm

I don't actually believe this, but you know it's fun and Nostradamus does mention "Garden" which could be the Garden District and he does mention "sulphur" which could be Port Sulphur.

[Modem Butterfly]

5. I thought that predicted the 1906 earth quake...

Or was it Mt. St. Helens? Or maybe Pinatubo? Or perhaps Krakatoa? Or Tunguska?

[...of J.Temperance]

7. Oh heck, where was the 1906 earthquake again?

Krakatoa...I'm sure I smoked some of that once, it was probably pretty good except I can't remember the thing ;)

[vptpt]

19. Then it HAD to be good

That's the best kind, the kind that erases itself from your memory banks.

[...of J.Temperance]

34. Yeah, if ONLY I could remember where I live and what my name is ;) n/t

[Smarmie Doofus]

22. Those are good too. One size fits all. n/t

[pitohui]

35. well it clearly involves volcanoes & mountains

of which we have neither in new orleans or anywhere on the gulf coast

[FlaGranny]

14. A little of that does seem to

describe New Orleans, but doesn't everyone always claim it means New York?

How about about Seattle or Montreal - no "new" in their names, but they are the only large cities in the "new" world at the right latitude - about 45 degrees. Seattle is the city that "fits" better than any other.

Hollow mountains - volcancoes
Sulfur and fire - erupting volcanoes

I have no idea what the Normans have to do with it, though, and what king has enemies in Seattle. Seattle does have beautiful gardens.

[Teaser]

4. I recently read...

that Nostradamus intended his "prophecies" as object lessons for his contemporaries. They almost always targetted events current to him. And like hebrew prophets, his emphasis was not on predicting the future, but on moral instruction through correct interpretation of *current events*.

[teenagebambam]

6. Not Strictly Nostradamus.....

....but self-proclaimed Nostradamus scholar John Hogue DID predict the flooding of New Orleans a few years ago.

He's a kook, but I love to read some of the dire things he predicts for *.

www.hoguepropecy.com

[Teaser]

8. Whou couldn't predict the flooding of NO?

Seriously. Large scale floods are bound to happen there. If Hogue thinks he's particularly bright because he predicted NO's demise, he's a chump.

[Modem Butterfly]

10. That's a little like predicting earthquakes in California

I would be impressed if someone had gotten the date and cause correct, though.

Cough.

[ghostsofgiants]

32. So did scientists

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BJK/is_15_11/ai_68642805

[KyndCulture]

9. Sylvia Browne predicted a hurricane in 2006

She fucked up. lol of course she made this prediction AFTER last years hurricane season.

I used to really like her... she's a religious crackpot now.

[expatriot]

13. Okay... I am going out on a limib and predicting a hurricane for 2007. nt

[Gunit_Sangh]

11. some right wing nutjob

will find a passage in the Book of Revelations that predicted this and will claim this is a sign of the end times. So REPENT. The RAPTURE is near.

[expatriot]

12. I think this one is about Katrina:

The sea lioness will surge over the swamp
To conquer the old king of the sun's ancient claims:
From inside the isle-citadel, the Child of Moses, damned,
Shall wander from the ruins to roam the weakened eagle's plains.

on edit: I made this one up.

sea lioness = female storm
king of the sun = "the sun king" -King Louis XV or something of France
Child of Moses = reference to African-Americans "freed from slavery" wander out from the ruins to roam the weakened eagles's plains (America).

Sorry if I misled anyone. I never think disclaimers are necessary, I never learn.

[Modem Butterfly]

15. I thought that one was referring to Mexico City

Which is an island city, surrounded by swamp land, founded by sun worshippers in a country who's symbol is an eagle with a snake...

Or maybe it's referring to Venice, another island city that has had it's share of floods...

[expatriot]

17. Oh here is one about us discussing Nostradamus on DU!

At the place where the unruly mob seeks respite
From the scaly reach of the demon-king
Petitions shall be made from where the distant speakers sit
as to the nature of what the shadows seen shall bring

[mnmoderatedem]

16. don't worry

the Nostradamus proponents will no doubt reinterpret his passages to make it sound like he succesfully predicted it all along, like everything else.

Like the stock market crash, JFK assasination and countless other events, none of the proponents were out there BEFORE it happened, only afterwards. Frauds.

[ChickMagic]

18. I'd go one further

If they had some kind of psychic knowledge of an impending disaster and failed to alert people of said disaster, they should be locked away for criminal negligence.

[Modem Butterfly]

21. It certainly does beg the question...

If someone saw this coming, either through some kind of ESP or by drawing an astrological chart or through automatic writing or reading the tea leaves or any other damn thing...

WHY DIDN'T THEY SAY ANYTHING?

[norml]

20. Century 10, Quatrain 49

Century 10, Quatrain 49
Jardin du monde aupres du cité neufue,
Dans le chemin des montaignes cauees,
Sera saisi et plongé dans la Cuue,
Beuuant par force eaux soulfre enuenimees.

Garden of the world near the new city,
In the path of the hollow mountains,
It will be seized and plunged into the Vat,
Drinking by force the waters poisoned by sulfur.

[Modem Butterfly]

23. Actually, someone already posted that one

The rest of it seems to refer to meteors and/or volcanoes...

[norml]

24. Or Government installations located inside of mountains.

There are several of those.

[Modem Butterfly]

25. Well, that's the trouble with Nostradamus

He's so easy to apply to so very many different situations after the fact, but utterly useless before something happens...

[norml]

26. Oh I think the July 1999 prediction for NYC was pretty good, except for

it being off by two years and two months.

[Modem Butterfly]

27. You also have to ignore that bit about the Mongols...

...and the fact that he predicted war before the event, and that he didn't mention a place at all...

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

28. Nobody's perfect...

http://www.karlandkinggeorge.com/Nostradamus.html

[Modem Butterfly]

29. That's funny!

Here's an overview of Nostradamus from the Skeptic's Dictionary.

http://skepdic.com/nostrada.html

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

39. Thanks for the link....

...I share their skepticism.

[chalky]

30. I believe he was on my sister's couch contentedly licking his balls.

Oh....I thought you meant my sister's cat.


Nevermind, then.

[triguy46]

31. Dunno, and where is the Book of Revelation re:NO? n/t

[leftofthedial]

33. Book 4 quatrain 3

and verily the idiot son will eat cake and stroke the lute as the water rises in the streets

of the town where the drink and the storm have the same name and make you puke vile pink puddles of corruption

(this is from memory)

[phusion]

36. What about John Titor

that dude "From the future?"

Seems like he should have remembered this one...

[Melodybe]

37. i looked at that site last night

he purposely says nothing about natural disasters, as it might affect too many people.

[Modem Butterfly]

38. Yeah, wouldn't want to save too many lives now...