my 54 yr old trust baby repug neighbor with a huge bush cheney

[seabeyond]

sign on his lawn during elections called my husband over just now to have a chat. this man and i have butted heads more than once. he says he cant talk politics with me. what all the repug males say cause they dont have the info and i kick their ass

first thing out of his mouth to husband, tell your wife i have to eat crow. bah hahahahaha

my first. my first repug to own it and give it to me. husband came to our yard to tell me and i yell.,.......oh joel i love you so. he yells, you were right, i hate to admit it. and a better man you are for it i yell back

made my day

this man has lived off a trust all his life. if he......is yelling about bush, then......

well you know the end of the story

[benburch]

1. Excellent story.

I have had republicans tell me how disappointed they have been with him, but nothing of this magnitude.

Just a warning, the freepers will be ridiculing you presently. They always allege that these stories are made up.

[seabeyond]

2. i dont care care care, they have little ..... well you know

and it is a shivelin. i feel good. this man, everything about him is that texan male. oh, did i share, i live in the reddest of the panhandle of texas. lol lol

this man went out of his way to give this to me. he didnt have to. if he is saying it to me, he is saying it to all his repug male friends. he has lived here his whole life. knows everyone

[benburch]

6. I just wish this sea change had been a year ago.

We would be talking about President Kerry now.

[seabeyond]

15. i keep going back to before election. i made such an ass of myself

literally yelling begging pleading for these people to see before it was too late. i think back to the fool i looked, wild eyed and crazy, see reason i would beg. hours and hours of conversations with people, friends. friends that dont talk to me anymore. as much because of my direct talk, lol, as i cant look at them now, without wanting to say jerk. i cant hang out with them.

if only......

to have one come to me now, and say you were right, doesnt make me feel quite the ass

[Patiod]

22. One of my friends at work was almost in tears, saying

"If something this awful had to happen, why didn't it happen this time last year so that idiot would never have been elected?"

[seabeyond]

24. my theory.

all the information was there for people to see and the ones that ignored or denied or put hands to ears and said na na na na nana so they couldnt hear will as a poster said, have blood on their hands. we had all the info we needed. this event is the obvious.

not to the people who dont believe in god, but in my thought god will whisper. then say. then yell. then knock you up side the head then, drop a brick on you. right now, we are only at the knocking upside the head

[benburch]

26. I suspect you are right.

Where is that helmet I used to wear in the steel mill???

[RagingInMiami]

32. Is your friend deaf, dumb and blind?

[seabeyond]

39. this is how i see it. so many things were given to us

showing who bush is before the election. before putting a little check by his name. people chose to not see or hear or think. no one now gets away with, "if only we knew". i would have a much harder time with if i only knew then the flat out i was wrong, you were right

[Patiod]

44. No, he hated Bush - didn't understand why others couldn't see

He talked about Bush's shortcomings to anyone who would listen, but was as frustrated as the rest of us by people's stupidity and blindness about Bush's "leadership" and "vision".

He just wished if a hurricane had to devastate people's lives, it would have happened in time to provide others with the view of Bush that we've had all along.

[seabeyond]

45. i see. thanks n/t

[BobBoudelangFan69]

65. Horsesh**, Germans After 1945 Tried To Say This.

It won't wash. These brain dead struted 'their' stuff with blind arogance. shrub and Co were everything and all was good. Now they say 'Oh we didn't know.'

No way!!


Bush Lied. People Died. Media Cheered.

[seabeyond]

67. i agree. i give no quARTER. at all

call it like it is.

[calimary]

80. Welcome to DU!

Yes. There's NO WAY they didn't know. They may have ignored. They may have chosen to put their fingers in their ears and yell LALALALALALALALA. And some of 'em may still be doing that. There is that 25 or 30 percent of hopeless cases who will NOT be reached, and whose souls CANNOT be saved. They're the chaff. The wheat, on the other hand, is growing.

[converted_democrat]

28. I lost a couple of friends over this last election, but they have all come

to me and said sorry. All of my Christian friends are seething, they hate him now after what happened to the people in NO. I have cooled off alot since the election, but they are just as pissed as I was then.

[FreedomAngel82]

35. Wow

Maybe when things calm down and a while later you can try to talk to them about other things Bush has done. Maybe this is the beginning to America waking up.

[AzDar]

51. Don't feel so bad,seabeyond...My preaching last year pre-election

was such that my husband told me that the neighbors were beginning to hide from me...LOL. Seems like some horrible dream now....

[seabeyond]

52. bah hahahaha. that is funny

my hubby too says people run and hide....... from me. that is funny.

[Dawgs]

40. "I just wish this sea change had been a year ago."

I wish you were right, but the whole reason Bush was safe last year was because they had Kerry to beat up on. After the election, I was saying, 'well at least now all of the attention will be back on Bush, and everyone will see how stupid they've been'.

If the election were this year, people would still be focusing on the Rove "Kerry bashing" talking points.

[Flying Dream Blues]

41. Not sure I agree completely, but it is a really great point.

I would still hope that this event (Katrina) would have had the power to break through the Kerry bashing talking points. But still, I do see your point.

[blm]

3. And damn proud of ye, we are.

.

[Pirate Smile]

4. You gave him credit for admitting it. That was nice.

:toast:

[seabeyond]

16. i think that is so important. this is hard for the repug. would be

for anyone, but especially repug on bush. also, it will allow them to be more comfortable saying it to others, more and more. the more repugs sit amongst themselves saying ugly things about bush, the faster the process.

[Ladyhawk]

33. I'm glad you said what you did, too.

Welcome them back to reality. :)

[FreedomAngel82]

36. I agree

For anybody to admit they are wrong is a big step. I even don't like to admit I'm wrong, but I remember when I first found out the truth about everything I was in shock for a while and then turned to anger. Once you learn the truth though things really are different (for the better because you can know and how to change things) and you're no longer blind.

[seabeyond]

87. how do you ask a man to be the last to die

this echos in my head so often

[liberal N proud]

5. There is a little joy in my heart every time I hear one of these

conversion stories.

Each and everyone is a huge victory in the war against these neo-cons.

[seabeyond]

17. i listen to each and everyone also n/t

[Greyhound]

7. That's so good to hear. If only they had seen it sooner. n/t

[info being]

8. Hell has frozen over indeed.

[barbaraann]

9. My RW neighbors haven't put their flags out in months.

We don't speak but I think there's a message there.

[gratuitous]

21. Put your own flag out (if you haven't already)

Perhaps as a signal to your neighbors that you're available to talk. Who knows what might transpire . . . ?

[barbaraann]

23. Well, I don't have a flag.

But that's an intriguing idea. :-)

[seabeyond]

25. my husband flies the flag. he likes our, all of OUR flag.

he resents repug creating it such, that it would make him take down his flag. it is his too.

[bunkerbuster1]

43. I was planning to buy the biggest flag that my front porch could support

when Kerry won.

I was planning to fly it every damn day there was no rain in the forecast. I was looking forward to reclaiming the flag.

Needless to say, events overcame my plans.

[wryter2000]

83. It's still your flag

I have a flag decal in my car, right next to the "Jesus is a liberal" sticker. It's still my flag, dammit. They can't have it.

[MuseRider]

10. seabeyond,

your persistence paid off BIG time. Hooray for you! Thanks for sharing. I love the, "You were right." I have heard that several times but not in as big a way as you just did.

[quisp]

11. That sound you hear is

the scales falling off eyes across the country.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

12. What a great day!

It does feel good, doesn't it?

My advice is to press on while you have the advantage. Start impressing on him the virtues of Chris Bell while me may be receptive.

We'll take our country back one voter at a time. :)

[seabeyond]

18. it does feel good, yes n/t

[stellanoir]

13. LOL-good for you

Having interacted with a lot of trust fund people for years, I concluded long ago that they should more accurately described as "karmic disability pensions." Many seemingly don't have to work because they truly are incapable of it.

[in_cog_ni_to]

14. Oh seabeyond, THAT is a wonderful, wonderful story!

Kudos to you for kickin' repuke ass too! The repukes are fallin' like flies! They finally see what we have all seen for the last 4 1/2 years. It's about damn time! Kudos to your neighbor Joe for seeing the light and admitting YOU WERE RIGHT ALL ALONG! That couldn't have been an easy thing to do.;)

Here's to you!:toast: Here's to Joe!:toast:

[seabeyond]

19. thank you

:toast:
and to you my friend

[spuddonna]

20. Awesome!!! :) See, the ranting and arguing is worth it! :) n/t

[converted_democrat]

27. Yea!!! If trust fund babies are pissed, than you know it's bad!! n/t

[Duer 157099]

29. I love these stories, but what I wonder is

did he tell you the specifics of why? Was it because of the slow response in NO? Was that it? Or? There are just so many possibilities. Is it because now we have to spend another $50 billion and they don't like the impending tax consequences? What was it? (although the "gift horse" phrase comes to mind lol)

[seabeyond]

30. overall incompetence. he has issue with the iraq war

all the money being spent over there when we should be spending it here. and the katrina event. as much about the fiscality of govt rather than the morality or lack of

[Cha]

31. It's takes a big man or woman to

admit they're wrong especially something so entrenched as bushwa.

There are still millions who are in deep denial and won't admit shit!

Good for you ..getting your neighbor to turn.

[tabasco]

34. In my traditionally red area ...

the only Bush believers are a few psychos.

It seems like everyone hates his ass.

HOW DID HE GET "RE-ELECTED???"

[ProfessorGAC]

60. I Had A Guy Ask Me That At Lowes

We were at the big hardware chain, and the guy in front of me was talking to the checkout lady. She said she was retired military (i'm guessing her to be late 60's.)

The guy said to her "You should be over there in Iraq helping out those boys." Ex-mil lady says "Nah, i did my time, and besides the last thing i'd be willing to do would be in Iraq. We don't belong over there."

So, the guy in front of me says, "Yeah, that's another whole screw up by the gang that can't shoot straight."

I chimed in, "Yeah these idiots could get lost in a phone booth."

So we start talking and the other customer says to me, "How did that guy get elected? I don't know anyone who voted for him. I don't know anyone who doesn't hate him." I replied "Same here." (That's a little lie because i know my mom voted for Silverspoon.)

Now the lady behind the register REALLY goes off. "They're all crooks. People got so worked up over Clinton having an affair, but we've got crooks and liars in the gov't now!", and so on.

By the time we're done, two other guys have joined in, and suddenly it's a Bush-bash festival in the check out line at Lowes.

Thought that was pretty cool.
The Professor

[spuddonna]

86. Could it be that the sheeple are waking up? :) n/t

[IndyOp]

82. He DID NOT get re-elected --

Since the hurrican I have been letting loose left and right about how the Election 2004 was stolen. I believed it had been by 11/3/04 and put a sign on my office door with the red hand "Stop Election Fraud" -- but I did not speak out persistently and forcefully until now. Now I will not keep quiet:

* WAS NOT LEGALLY ELECTED SO LET'S GET HIM OUT OF THERE NOW!
NOW! NOW! NOW! NOW! NOW! NOW! NOW! NOW! NOW! NOW! NOW! NOW!

A Diebold Insider Speaks:
<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4782407>

[kestrel91316]

37. I am quietly and patiently waiting for my BF, the RW * fan, to come

to me complaining about * some day. Not sure if it will ever happen. Maybe when Hannity and Rush turn on him.

Oh well.

[seabeyond]

38. i dont know how strongly you feel about your politics

but man, i had a tough time with my husband voting for bush in 2000. by 2003 i was mostly in rants with him on the damn repugs and the stupid ass bush all the time. our saving grace was he doing his own research so he could stay up with me. my midland texas repug male then got disgusted with his party and bush, voted kerry in 2004 and refuses to be called a repug ever again. dont know if he will ever vote repug

at this point in our nation, i dont think i could have a bush supporting man. told husband once, this isnt about me,.....it is about OUR children and THEIR future. no one messes with my babies.

[DaytonOHDem]

46. seabeyond, you are so right

No one messes with my babies either. That is why I have been a Dem all of my life because I know they care more about the future of this country than the Repubs. Repubs care about themselves and about how things are going to affect their party. That is what I keep telling my Repub brother, the country is more important than your party and the country is more important than your pResident.

[wryter2000]

84. Welcome to DU

:hi: My father was from Dayton

[wryter2000]

85. My husband was an independent

He voted for Reagan the first time. (Not the second.) When he died last December, he was a Democrat. I still have the postcard confirmation on the refrigerator.

[all.of.me]

42. what a fabulous start to my day!!!!!! GREAT STORY!!!!!

eat crow. i love that.... they ALL need to eat crow!!!

[OneGrassRoot]

47. Yep, great story...........

thanks for sharing, seabeyond (BTW, I know you from another board....can you guess who I am? ;)

Sadly, I have yet to hear "you were right," but I have tremendous hope......

Cheers to everyone! :toast:

[seabeyond]

56. at a guess.......

d d d d dena?

how close am i

[OneGrassRoot]

57. ding, ding, ding.......

you win the prize. Nice to "see" you.....keep us posted as to any recent converts.....:hi:

[seabeyond]

59. wink

love ya

[Protagoras]

48. Bake him a pie (Everyone loves pie)

and don't rub it in. Show him how gracious and nice you can be.

And tell him that's ok...we've all got sucked before...but that your glad that you can share his friendship during these rough times.

Kill em with kindness.

One by one we'll take this sucker back.

[seabeyond]

49. oh oh oh oh ohhhhhh. that is such a grand idea.

single old male, no mama to take care of him for the longest of time. my little boys love the dude, so they can help. a perfect example for boys in graciousness a lesson i love to give them. and niceness,..... nothing better than that for me. just a simple, you dont know what you gave me joel, and my boys, from seeing. thank you. enjoy the cookies.

will be fun and good for all

such a clever person you are

in love,.... a gift for all

[Ezlivin]

58. But remember to make the pie HIGHER (n/t)

[Vanje]

78. xxxchxxnnnnchxxnnt!

thats the sound i make when I'm stifeling a snicker

[merbex]

50. I hesitate to mention this and I hope I'm wrong but I think a

significant number of Repugs will only admit that W is a boob NOT THE REPUG PARTY OR THE POLICIES THAT GOT US HERE

Kind of like the Nixon phenomenon where pretty much everyone despised him at the end but they still went on voting repug

I'm happy for you but in future conversations with your neighbor stress the policies that got us here

[seabeyond]

54. you are right. i agree. i have to now take it further

and an indictment against the whole of repug and give examples. at least now, he is more open to listening. seeing how he has no kids and never will, will be an eye opener to share how his greediness will effect the future of my children. just another angle he doesn't have a clue on. being a business owner myself, and on his economic level, i can go all around him on this too.

[CanOfWhoopAss]

53. You are 1 up on me.

The ones I know clutch on to Bush like a whino holding his last bottle.

[seabeyond]

55. the rest of my repugs that i fought with prior to election dont talk

politics with me and havent since election. we told all, my house was no talk politics zone. i wont listen and i wont be responsible in controlling my anger if they bring up the subject. all my men, two brothers and father, in laws have all kept mouth shut. so i dont know where they are at.

my brother did mention gas gouging. he does pipelines and makes butt load of money. for him to veer that much off, leaves me to wonder. but unless you are firmly in the he was wrong, i am right camp...... i dont want to hear it

[npincus]

61. tell him to send his grandkids to Iraq

and shut his big mouth

[seabeyond]

62. no grandkids. no kids. total self interest

now i could suggest he get his arse over there, but then what is the point, he htinks it is wrong to be there, and doesnt support it

[npincus]

63. what a contradiction! His view on legal abortion?

[seabeyond]

64. trust fund biker and bad boy. bah hahahahah

he tries to take me on in the male dominent sexual aspect too, i kick his ass there too. a calif confident sexually empowered woman, against a texas white male "scared of woman" kinda man. bah hahahaha

it is funny my neighborhood. to trust boys, both in 50's, no woman. ones a drug dealer with pits and flies the confederate flag, and the other is a biker playboy. lol lol lol

i just trip, sit high above them all, and watch their antics. in an upper income neighborhood

[seabeyond]

66. abortion, i am just he is all for it. lol lol. he is not repug with

morality. that is for sure. all about money. but this is where i can show the democrat kicks the republican party, last three decades. i know htis end enough. i have been in hte business world, at least three decades. i am a liberal fiscally responsible person. so stupid repugs, let me show you how, lol

[npincus]

68. hey, keep laughing- you've got a great attitude.

I have the comfort of being surrounded by largely like-minded people. If I had to stare at a Bush-Cheney sign in my neighbor's window (no lawns here- rowhouses) I would probably be sneaking out in the dead of night to lay dogshit on their door step. For real.

[peace_on_earth]

69. My one RW friend used to say * is a visionary

and would someday be known as the best president EVER. (GAG!!)

I sent him hundreds and hundreds of articles clearly showing what a criminal incompetent * was, but he ALWAYS said these were liberal lies from the liberal media. But, to his credit, he said that if some of them were true (such as 9/11 complicity), * & Co. should all go to jail. But with a year and a half of me trying to convince him, it was all to no avail. He still adored *.

Then after Katrina, he left me a voicemail saying that * really blew it on this one, that * shoulders all the blame, and that he was really disappointed. It took a lot of courage for my friend to say this.

Now, I don't know if he has completely turned around--after all, he still supports most * policies. But I bet he's thinking long and hard about all this.

[seabeyond]

71. what appears to be happening with iraq and katrina

they are isolating these two events to diss bush. they can speak a little truth. but still they are in protective mode. they have to understand, these are just more and more clear pictures of incompetence. but...... the incompetence is thru out administration and there IS visual stories to tell.

this is 5 yrs of lies, incompetence and greeed. we have proof

now they will be more open to the small examples thru out administration of exact, the same, incompetence

like a bathroom not. like not being able to button shirt. like doesnt know how to talk.

the smallest, to the medium to the hugest or hughest

[wryter2000]

70. Hokey smoke!

I'd expect that from a working stiff who's finally figured out he's been screwed, but a guy with a trust fund? :wow:

[seabeyond]

72. he "thought" a repug was something else and too arrogANT

and know it all white male, would dare to listen to a woman, and from calif at that, telling him what is happening in his govt. in his name

arrogance

what do we say about the stupid white male in power

repugs
bushco

[Douglas Carpenter]

73. what is the alternative to welcoming people who admit they were wrong??

I loved your story and lots of them are coming out these days.

I cannot for the life of me understand anyone not welcoming the news that the scales are falling from peoples eyes.

I suppose we could all burn and seethe with hatred toward the 60% plus Americans who supported Bush in March 2003. But, I fail to see what good that would do.

If progressive political work is not about helping people change their minds, what on earth are we waisting our time for?

People who do not welcome Republicans changing their mind are useless to the progressive movement.

[seabeyond]

74. yes.........

and with such ease we do this. teach them love. in laughter and grace and "hard work" ( ya, laughter and grace is hard)......amen

i am outta here. a good weekend to all

this was fun experiencing this with so many like minded. the true progressive we are

[seabeyond]

75. self deleted

[Douglas Carpenter]

88. .

[txaslftist]

76. One at a time.

[Vanje]

77. overheard in the heart of Bush/Cheney country

At the Livestock Sale Yard in Caldwell, Idaho,
last weekend, I overheard a conversation between 2 young cowboy-hatted sheep buyers:

"Do you like President Bush?"
"No. (pause) He's an idiot".
"Yeah. (pause) I guess he's an idiot. Thats about right."

[Infomaniac]

79. I was going to suggest bringing by some crow pie for the repug neighbor

Believe or not there are recipes for crow pie. Google it and you'll find a host of them. I say you can safely improvise with something else. I saw this recipe for Swedish (Remember * confusing Sweden with Switzerland?) Meat Pies and thought this might be a good substitute.
Plus this recipe is unlikely to stink up your house unlike the Crow Pie recipes I found.

http://pie.allrecipes.com/az/89721.asp

[ronnykmarshall]

81. Go to a bakery

and get a cake with a crow on it.

A peace offering and come good eats at the same time.