A defeatist post: Someone please invade us!

[cynatnite]

I give up.

[tx_dem41]

1. Self-delete

I think I misunderstood the gist of the OP.

[OKDem08]

2. no, no, no

Keep hope alive people. I am seeing real indications that the masses are beginning to see the truth.

[tx_dem41]

3. You didn't understand what I 'm saying....

I'm sick of the defeatism rampant on this forum lately.

[BeHereNow]

7. Is it defeatism or REALISM?

In case you have not been following the script...
our country is being run by neocon followers
who are now proposing the pre-emptive use of
nuclear weapons...
What part of reality do you not yet comprehend?
BHN

[tx_dem41]

9. Defeatism....definitely.

with some cowardice thrown in.

[Bucky]

8. I agree with you. It is utterly hopeless. Why even try? I totally give up.

You're right. I'm surrendering to either dispair or to French invaders, whichever arrives first. I'll gladly eat cheese or crow beneath the jackboots of my new corporate masters. The white flag I fly outside my window will be my socks, but only because my underwear isn't strickly white anymore.

[tx_dem41]

13. Then you definitely DON'T agree with me.

Because what you are espousing is "DEFEATISM" and "cynicism".

Give up if you want. Many on our side won't follow.

[Selatius]

10. It's kind of hard not to feel despair in this country

The Republican Party is at the height of its power. You've got a desperate struggle for the Democratic Party between ordinary people and corporate interests trying to buy it out. You've got what looks to be another Vietnam-style war going on, and the nation was nearly brought to its knees because of poor planning in the wake of a natural disaster. On top of that, there's a 600 billion dollar deficit, and we collectively owe our creditors 7 trillion dollars.

I would say there is a fine line between being pessimistic and being realistic nowadays.

[BeHereNow]

4. Too much, too little, too late

To ever try again...

Have you missed ALL of the posts about
the Cheney/Rumsfeld paln to use nukes?
On a PRE-emptive strike basis?

We are SO screwed.

BHN

[tx_dem41]

6. Just give up then.

It seems to be a popular sentiment around here.

[BeHereNow]

11. It is not a sentiment- it is the very UNAmerican

quality of facing REALITY.
Are you prepared for what's coming?
As long as you cling to some idealistic notion
that WE, the people, can make a difference when we
have NO voice in our renegade government.
I would guess not.
BHN

[tx_dem41]

14. Wow....setting new standards for defeatism.

Have you ever actually been through something tough in your personal life? Hope you fought then.

[BeHereNow]

23. Ah, keyboard warrior tactics...

Have I ever been through anything "tough?"
You have no idea.
I can pretty much assess your "tough" life experiences
by your inability to recognize "tough" when it is
about to destroy everything you ever thought you knew.
Only someone who has been through "tough" can recognize it
when it is coming.
You have no clue what "tough" is, or you would
be able to see the shitstorm ascending on this country.
BHN

[tx_dem41]

26. I see a "shitstorm" and fight....

you are advocating giving up.

[BeHereNow]

30. When you see a "shitstorm," prepare.

Preparing because you fully comprehend the reality of WHAT you
are facing is not "giving up."
It is acting responsibly with full awareness of what you are up against.
IF you honestly think, we, the people, can stop these monsters, then
you are in a state of complete delusion.
Respectfully,
BHN

[tx_dem41]

31. Preparation is quite a bit different from defeatism.

Preparation is not giving up. So where are you moving to?

[BeHereNow]

34. Still discussing it with family- possibly Panama.

Yes, I want out.
This is no longer the America that you and I grew up
believing in.
America, as you and I thought of it, will never exist
again in our lifetimes.
That is NOT defeatism- THAT is REALITY.
BHN

[tx_dem41]

37. Your reality, I would agree with.

Reality, when spoken of by an individual, is highly subjective.

[mr blur]

5. But are you ready for Democracy, Freedom and Culture?

You know, like Iraq was?

[cwydro]

12. keep the faith

I despair too, but believe fervently that things will change....that the masses ARE beginning to see the truth (whether they care is another question). It has to get better...it can't get worse. Um, can it?

[BeHereNow]

18. Welcome to DU and ask your question again AFTER

the US has lobbed off PRE-emptive nuclear attack ...
Think it can't happen?
Think again.
They have already made it perfectly clear
that they plan to do so, DESPITE what
WE, the people think about that.
The Dem representatives, in majority, are about as
effective and helpful to us as a three legged dog
on a hunt.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is just
plain DELUSIONAL.

BHN

[cwydro]

22. Well if we lob off

nukes, maybe the UN will come in and take OUR WMDs. Maybe Bush and Rumsf*ck will have to hide in a hole. Would it be treason for me to give up his hiding place if I knew it?

[BeHereNow]

27. Uh, more likely that China, Russia and THEIR coaltion

will stop the neopcon threat to the planet.
Care to contemplate what THAT would look like?

As far as Rumsfeld, Bush, Cheney and the neocon thugs?
They DO have nuclear bunkers and ARE willing to
sacrifice us all to achieve their aims.
They KNOW fully well what the ramifications of
nuclear pre-emptive strikes will lead to as far
as the civilians in America go. They do NOT care
what happens to us a s a result of their nuclear lobs.
Take a hint form the treatment of the Katrina victims.
We are nothing to them.
BHN

[cwydro]

29. sad to say

but I totally agree with you. These ***holes really do not care.

[cwydro]

24. oh and btw

thanks for the welcome! For me, just having found this place gives me hope.

[Sabriel]

15. I vote for a Scandinavian country

If one of them won't, Canada would be a good choice, too.

[cynatnite]

17. I wouldn't mind France

I love the country. I told hubby that when we retire I want to spend at least a week there. It was four days last time and not nearly enough.

[MN ChimpH8R]

28. New Zealand is nice, too

but Scandinavia, Canada, Australia and France all sound pretty good.

Truthfully, it is so sad that it has come to this. I'd bet a couple of million Americans would just pick up and leave the country if they had the resources to do it. I know I would. And it's all because of ChimpCo.

[TrogL]

32. Canada is a Scandinavian country

Technically it's a "targa" climate.

[cynatnite]

16. It's a sarcastic post...but then it's not

I do get tired of the utter bullshit crapped out by the right that's passed off as the truth. I get tired of the cronyism and corruption. I get tired of the ignorance.

DU often gives me hope for the future. I know there are people who really care and will go the extra mile for one another. They will stand up for those who cannot stand up for themselves. I love that about DU.

It's also sarcastic because I think it's hilarious when a post is called defeatest when I don't view it the same as some.

[tx_dem41]

19. I didn't call your OP defeatist (at least, I don't think I did :-) )

I originally thought you were making fun of a current thread that calls for the invasion of our country. Right now, I'm still confused at what the point was.

[cynatnite]

20. I know you didn't :)

It was a reaction from another post I read a little while ago, plus I was :grr: at the news of the death of a baby who was at the NO Superdome...then rover getting promoted to 'clean up' the Gulf States.

It was a combination of factors as to why I started it.

[Sapphire Blue]

21. Calimary's motivational thread... PLEASE READ

Defeatism seems to be a recurring theme today... I posted this on another thread earlier today....

This is from calimary's DUERS: THE FIVE-STAR ACTIVISTS' RESOURCE THREAD, UPDATED 7/9/04 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=106x8816

(calimary offers a wonderful antidote to defeatism in the motivational thread below... please read her posts. IMO, it should be named 'The CALIMARY MOTIVATIONAL THREAD')


Post #112. Part Forty-One: The SAPPHIRE BLUE MOTIVATIONAL THREAD:
This one's worth revisiting and keeping.

We got into this discussion that brought out some people's fears, and other people's pep talks. I add it in here because it's like a booster shot. With things going the way they have been, as you can see from some of the posts, it is all too easy to become demoralized. FIRST: DO NOT - repeat - DO NOT kick yourself if you get down. It's HUMAN, okay??!?!??! And considering what we're still up against, it's rawther understandable to think it's pointless to try to do something, or tilt at windmills, if you will. But then, SECOND: BOOT BACK UP... and... (as I've renamed this in my own personal files)

DO IT ANYWAY.

Contact your US Representative - IMPEACH BUSH
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1739608

[cynatnite]

25. Cool! A LTTE always makes me feel better!

:bounce:

Bookmarked! Thanks!

[nonconformist]

33. We're fucked.

Wish I could paint a rosy picture, but I just can't. We're seriously fucked.

Anyone who has been paying attention has come to that grim realization.

[BeHereNow]

36. THANK YOU. Precisely the truth of the matter.

IF you are paying attention and have functioning
brain cells, that is the reality.
BHN

[Ksec]

35. I was a positive guy until lately

Now Im a glib, one liner defeatist

Someone shoot me.

Or maybe just car bomb my house.

Make me suffer like Ive never suffered before. Im drowning and I cant get up.

:)

[Lethe]

38. the only nations that we would want to govern us....

would not invade us in the first place.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

39. A little Zen

is in order here.

I teach "gifted" kids with IQ's over 135. One characteristic of this type of child is the tendency for them to internalize every thing they read and hear, to take the burdens of the world on their shoulders.

I am of the opinion that many people on this forum fit that category. And I think perhaps (tho I have never seen any sort of breakdown on demographics) that many are young, (as in under 40).

That can be a rough combination and I well remember my own younger years when I honestly believed that neither I nor my two young children would live more than a few years more because of the sheer volume of missiles the Soviet Union and the US had aimed at each other. I remember thinking "why should I bother?" No need to get new clothes... new furniture... finish that project, etc.

Well, it didn't happen. And I got older and missed a lot of opportunities. Yes, I know. It could. But think about it. Humans have always lived under threats. No civilization has been perfect. The plague, innumerable wars, infant and maternal mortality... huge threats for centuries.

Damn it, this might be the only life you have. (Unless the Hindus are right.) Live every day. If you have to, stop reading the blogs and the damned news and take at least a little break. Garden or pet the cat and remember you aren't responsible for everything in the world. I let an abstract concept of nuclear war that never happened control too much of my life.