I hate to say this, but Rove will beat the Democrats again

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

with this tactic started tonight.
Now he will force them to come out against spending programs which directly affect a core Democratic constituency.
The Repubs will get their marching orders, and our mostly spineless leadership will have no clue how to deal with it.
Investigations will be blocked.

At first I thought it was a big mistake, but the more I think about it...

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

1. Not Quite Correct

I don't think they are going to come out against it, but I wonder how anybody in congress is going to figure out how to pay for this.

I doubt the Democrats are going to oppose throwing all this money at a problem which is directed at their constituency. The repubs may be kind of freaked out about the financing though.

[Pirate Smile]

3. Right. The Republicans will fight it.

[faithnotgreed]

4. i agree orangecounty - dems have wanted to increase funding

for the hurricane victims so i dont see them turning down any proposed bills
ha
though not likely though that kind of money will make it out of republican committee

[TomInTib]

9. You are right. The Dems...

just need to question the source of the funding and let the 'pubs twist in the wind.

[cantstandbush]

10. They don't need to come out against Bush on this. They need to make sure

he follows through and they need to devise some way to provide stringent oversight of where all that money will be going. They really need to establish enforceable requirements (quotas) some guaranteed number of qualified displaced people to be hired to do the work that needs to be done in LA, MS, and AL. No contractor should be hired to reconstruction withou being able to prove that a certain number of residents are working with and paid by the contractor.

[Broken_Hero]

28. I totally agree with you...

The dems don't need to fight this, as a matter of fact they should help push it through, because like a few others stated, the republican hounds will try and stop it partially, primarily because of the cost of what Bush said the fed govt would do. I would be pleased if even half of what GWB said tonight would happen, but again, i don't put trust in him, because he has lied many times in the past, but i'm not holding my breath.

[Melodybe]

25. This thread sux

pessimist does not = realist

[Mr_Spock]

27. Hey, we agree on this one !

:D

This thread sucks eggs!

[Telly Savalas]

37. How to pay?

It's not fucking rocket science: raise taxes on the wealthy and quit wasting so much goddamn money on a bloated military.

Edited to add the kitty pic:

[rwheeler31]

2. overthink , go to bed.

this is just crap talk .

[nonconformist]

5. No, we'll be asking HOW do we pay for all this?

Since Bush has bled us dry and is throwing away billions on Iraq.

Funny thing is, the true conservatives will be asking the same question.

[no_hypocrisy]

6. Rx:

Dems support the proposal as long as:

1. The tax cuts are canceled immediately.

2. The estate tax is restored immediately.

3. Halliburton is made to open its accounts and made pay back the money it "lost".

[SmokingJacket]

7. The repubs are just flailing around, trying to figure out something

They're hurting.

And the Dems don't need to come out against spending programs to criticize Bush. Watch: all the dough will come through private hands so the pals can take a cut.

[w13rd0]

8. No objections...

...to rebuilding New Orleans for the people who call it home. The problem lies in that pocketbook issue. Tax cuts and wars HAVE TO GO for us to be able to afford to take care of matters back at home. As with everything, Bush thinks he can speechify and have his spin doctors get up there and spew bullshit, spend like a drunken ho, and daddy's friends will bail him out...

[Seansky]

11. Rove has succeeded planning complete manipulation

of whatever happens...He wouldn't have done this if he hadn't already planned for all possible reactions from dems...Scary.

[Poll_Blind]

32. Rove's not the undefeatable mastermind you're making him out to be.

By the way, why are you trying to make him out to be an undefeatable mastermind? Please, make a 48th post and enlighten us, won't you?

Most appreciated,

PB

[Seansky]

34. not trying to make him into anything

pointing out that he's beat so many with so many dirty tricks, I just don't trust what he'll do next...or why he chose to make * sound like a liberal...He is just evil and I don't take anything for granted about his actions...

[Bernardo de La Paz]

12. Cut the defeatist capitulationist crap. What is your motivation??

[LittleClarkie]

15. Progressives just can't stand it when stuff is going their way

same thing happened on my Kos diary. We have to piss in our own Wheaties for some reason.

[Mr_Spock]

22. Why does this happen here so often?

Do some people just love misery or making people feel bad?

[seabeyond]

26. my immediate sentiments also..... n/t

[cynatnite]

13. Some major trading went on today...I'd bet the farm on it

The repukes have given up on SS reform...for now
The repukes have more or less blocked any independent Katrina commission
Now, bush comes out with a major liberal-like agenda.

The dems probably said they'd give up the fight on the commission if the repukes give up on SS reform. Since the dems know how bad the repukes are doing they may have told bush to get the ball rolling on real help to the gulf states.

There's always some cloakroom trading going on.

[LittleClarkie]

14. Don't overthink the thing

I think the Dems are going to say "Great idea" and piss off Bush's base. Why come out against it. It's a liberal's plan. Embrace it.

[proud2BlibKansan]

16. No way

The losers will be the compassionate conservatives who will oppose the federal spending to rebuild the damaged areas.

[fishnfla]

17. Is Rove pulling a "hail mary" play?

Shit who knows? First the chimp takes a half-hearted responsibilty for the lack of response, then he wades in tossing money and 'guvment programs about, like a lab chimp on LSD.

How 'bout this angle? Back door out of the mess that is Iraq? Money's got to come from somewhere. Better here than there. Given the unpopularity of the war dragging on the midterms, its a double play. Fix the Gulf here and out of desert...

[Mr_Spock]

30. More like an "impale mary" :D

It just sounded funny in my head - I know it doesn't follow... :D

[Mr_Spock]

18. YEah, I'm going to go kill myself now

thanks.

[stepnw1f]

19. lol...

Drinking the Koolaid?

[LaPera]

20. Unfortunately, yes, your correct...Democrats are not united, they are

playing little league against monsters...The Demos are easy marks!!!

Divide & conquer, exactly what Rove wants, needs and expects...

Not to mention, the republican owned electronic voting machines, that are truly killing us!

[Poll_Blind]

21. Well then go join the Dark Side, Jumpy! You're no use to us here.

"...but Rove will beat the Democrats again" What crap. What vile crap.

You are posting defeatist bullshit under the guise of, let me guess, objective observation? Not sure I'm interested in taking part in any more of your objectives, sir.

PB

[Mr_Spock]

24. Dig it. With friends like this, who need enemies? (or an enema - lol)

We can't let a stewing miserable person like this get us down...

[Poll_Blind]

31. My son likes to watch "The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy" and...

...there's an episode where one particularly dimwitted character stands around shouting "He'll destroy us all! He'll destroy us all! He'll destroy us all!", over and over for about a third of the cartoon. It drives you mad. Maybe I was a little too sharp but shit, this is real life where you work through problems, not drop to the ground like a baby with a diaper full of shit and cry about it.

Of course, a baby just wants to be changed. It takes an older mind not to be just disenchanted but to attempt to disenchant others under the guise of enlightenment.

PB

[digno dave]

23. We must claim these ideas as Democratic ideas, which they are

[Corgigal]

29. Well they better jump fast

because they might only have a month before the MasterRove is indicted by Fritz.

[demgrrrll]

35. Fitzgerald just wrote a letter to Congress asking them not to hold any

hearings that might impede his investigation. I think this will be the next domino. I wonder why he wrote the letter. I read there is a new Kos diary about his letter and what may happen.

[socalover]

33. YOU ARE 100% CORRECT!!! ROVE HAS KICKED OUR ARSE TOO MANY TIMES.....

With that BS speech, they are off to another good start in bamboozling the American people.

What we need to do is point out that Bush made the same promises after 9/11.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

36. You are another. Notice the Original poster not back yet.

You are another capitulationist, socalover.

Notice how the original poster hasn't returned to rebut since dropping his troll bomb.

[socalover]

38. Phucque you Bernardo, don't ever call me a capitulationist again.....

you don't know me....

[gulfcoastliberal]

39. As long as beltway dems continue being "Vichy Dems"

We'll keep losing, no matter what the name of their strategist is. Playing nice with the repukes has gotten us nowhere and nothing except a more and more radical and out of control regime with no checks or balances.

[belle]

40. It's not Rove. It's just Bush doing what he's always done: go into debt.

Why wouldn't he assume that there's lots of money available to pay for this? He's never actually had to experience any consequences for running up huge debts, whether when running an oil company into the ground or turning a surplus into a giant deficit in just three years. The only reason people are talking is that this is the first time where he's offered to spend money on something that isn't directly about lining the pockets of his rich friends. Whether NOLA actually sees any of these fine promises, well. That's another question, isn't it. But I don't think there's any plan here. Fuck things up, hurt people, deny, deny, make excuses, blame...then when all else fails, offer lots of money to make the nasty words and angry people go away. Hey, it's always worked for him before. Why shouldn't it work now? There's *always* money when you want it, right?

[Must_B_Free]

41. Yeah you're right, we'll never win

in fact you might as well not bother ever coming here again...

[The Magistrate]

42. Locking

This has become a flame war.