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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 02:12 PM
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Why do we pledge allegiance to the flag and not to the Constitution.
Isnt the flag merely a symbol for the freedoms we get from the Constitution?

I pledge allegiance to the Constitution

Of the United States of America

And to the Republic for which it stands

One nation, indivisable, with Liberty and Justice for all.
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 02:15 PM
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1. symbolism? n/t
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 02:17 PM
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3. I get the symbolism but isnt the basis of our freedom more important...
than a symbol?
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 02:16 PM
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2. Yes, symbolism....
From my site..I wrote this awhile back so obviously we are in complete agreement.


"If we are to indoctrinate our children with the aid of a pledge to be recited on a daily basis, I propose one that makes a bit more sense."

I pledge respect
for the Constitution
of the United States of America
and for the Republic
which it describes
One nation, Indivisible,
with liberty and justice it's measure.

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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 02:33 PM
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11. I like that better than
Edited on Fri Sep-16-05 02:33 PM by Catrina
pledging allegiance to a symbol. What it symbolizes, 42% of those polled recently (students) said they were willing to give up if it meant being 'safe from terrorists'. Most of those had no idea what the Constitution meant, but I imagine wave the flag furiously every time the terror alert goes up! :-(
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 02:17 PM
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4. I took an oath to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the
United States, against all enemies, foreign and domestic...

It's the latter ones that have me worried of late, frankly.
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freestyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 02:33 PM
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12. As has everyone who has ever worked for the federal gov't
The presidential oath also includes this language. The Constitution is the thing. The flag is a symbol.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 02:17 PM
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5. In his own words:
"The true reason for allegiance to the Flag is the 'republic for which it stands.' ...And what does that vast thing, the Republic mean? It is the concise political word for the Nation - the One Nation which the Civil War was fought to prove. To make that One Nation idea clear, we must specify that it is indivisible, as Webster and Lincoln used to repeat in their great speeches. And its future?

Just here arose the temptation of the historic slogan of the French Revolution which meant so much to Jefferson and his friends, 'Liberty, equality, fraternity.' No, that would be too fanciful, too many thousands of years off in realization. But we as a nation do stand square on the doctrine of liberty and justice for all..."

-- Francis Bellamy, author of the Pledge of Allegiance.

Bellamy was also a confirmed socialist. Which makes me wonder why the hell conservatives are so adamant about their pledge. :shrug:
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michael_1166 Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 02:25 PM
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6. We here in Europe
(Germany in my case) don't pledge allegiance to anything, but most people here are nevertheless pretty decent human beings. What is it that Americans seem fascinated by things like pledges or your flag or your military power and stuff like that. No offense meant, but I don't get it why these things are so important to some of you...?
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 03:18 PM
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14. No clue.
It flies in the face of our founding fathers' sentiments in my opinion.
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 02:26 PM
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7. To highlight the ridiculous notion of a pledge in the first place. (nt)
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 02:27 PM
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8. Because if we pledged allegiance to the Constitution
and were serious about it, we would notice how Bush is trashing it and wiping his ass with it.
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 02:27 PM
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9. I couldn't agree more
a flag can be changed, and often is, and it's no threat to the basic rights of individuals. But when the Constitution is shredded (as is happening under this administration, and a few previous ones) that is a real threat to what the flag is a symbol of.

Saturday is Constitution Day ~ and Sen. Byrd has initiated legislation that is designed to make children more knowledgable about the real principles upon which the country is supposed to be founded.

This pin was designed as an alternative for those who now feel that wearing a flag lapel pin, signals support for the policies of this administration.

Sen. Byrd wears it and always carries a copy of the Constitution with him.

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www.pinsforpatriots.com
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 02:31 PM
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10. This is the version I wrote after the proposal of the Flag burning law.
Edited on Fri Sep-16-05 02:34 PM by Wizard777
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America and to the Deomocratic Republic for which it stands.
One nation indivisable with Liberty and Justice for all.

What we have now is a Republican lead Congress that is waving thier flags as they rip, shread, gut, and burn the Constitution. I'm sorry but no American Soldier EVER dies defending the flag. They bravely sacrafice their lives in Defense of the Constitution. Also inaccordance to the DEA Schedules. The very substance of our Forefathers Constitution is deemed to be Dangerous and has no uses in America. The Constitution of our Forefathers constuction is Illegal to Possess in America. It's made out of Marijuana. I can't really think of a more tacit approval on the legalization or marijuana than that.
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wallwriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 02:39 PM
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13. I've thought of this for awhile. I'm glad to see others have
thought so too. This should be the beginning of a movement. I'd be happy to pledge to the Constitution.
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Bernardo de La Paz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 03:23 PM
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15. They dont want the People actually Thinking about & Using the Constitution
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 03:24 PM
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16. Pledging allegience to a country is slavery.
I owe zip to this country just because I was born here.
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