I know how this sounds, but I feel something big is coming. Gut feeling...

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I don't know what, and maybe this thread should be in the lounge, and if so, so be it. Having said that, it does seem like the wheels are coming off not only the bush regime, but the nation as well, maybe the world as well. Everyone seems to be running around in some increasing chaos. Events seem increasingly large, further reaching, and destructive to the well being of humankind.

But beyond all of that, tho, or maybe because of all that, I just have a really uneasy feeling that something massive, something jaw-dropping, is just around the corner. I don't have a sense of what it will be, and I'm not trying to predict anything, but my gut tells me some major upheaval lies ahead. I wonder if others feel similar.

Shut off the media feed for a second. What does your gut tell you? Do you feel or sense anything? Does your gut tell you anything?

I really sound like a loon probably. This may be one of those threads I'll hope nobody remembers my DU handle for starting.

But I have to ask, Do you feel it too?

[flowomo]

1. coming? Iraq? Katrina?

jezzus, it's here.

[la la]

24. yes ---first sign-

Arnold is running for guv.

big :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

[OKJackson]

45. Totally agreed

These are Bush's final days, period.

[acmejack]

2. Gas

[Telly Savalas]

22. You're suggesting the OP take some Maalox?

[Ksec]

3. Its snowballing

karma comes home to roost?

[...of J.Temperance]

4. I frequently have gut feelings, so I've just voted Yes

I think there could be another "incident" allowed, in order to...well that's all I'm saying. That and I'm very concerned that the Bush bastard has declared a State of Emergency in 38 states, that's one step away from you-know-what...and I don't trust these Fascist pigs.

[Connie_Corleone]

5. With Bush in office, it's pretty much a guarantee.

I don't know if I've just been paying more attention to the world since 2001, but it does seem like the world is falling into chaos. And our country is going backwards in time.

Bush is bad luck for the entire world.

[wellstone_democrat]

6. DC on the 24th

I've felt increasingly uneasy about the reaction to the demonstrators by the government. Not necessarily direct police/military action but perhaps their *use* as sacrifices who can be framed as disloyal and not deserving of sympathy for whatever happens

I have no "psychic" abilities that I've ever noticed, I just keep thinking of the fact that so many anti-admin activists will be out and this gang is desperate (plus hates criticism...)

[NoBushSpokenHere]

17. Yeah, well

I have wondered the same about DC, but........they can't keep me away from the protest. If genocide is used against us liberals, I guess we won't be around to worry about * anymore, would we? I refuse to be scared by the regime.

And, for the record, that isn't what I really think is going to happen. I just feel a total meltdown of this administration and congress. I am actually wondering how many in congress have been blackmailed and thinking if and when the indictments come down, maybe we will realize the commie congress aren't really as bad as we think. Okay, they *are* republicans.......but I refuse to believe they would condone all these W actions without some blackmail being involved.

Oh, and btw........(edited to add this)....I am thinking that the tales of the 38 states is a set up to scare people from going to DC.....NOT going to happen. Will be there with bells on :)

[lonestarnot]

38. Will be there with balls on!

[NoBushSpokenHere]

51. LOL n/t

[GraysonDave]

7. Most of the time things seem to be spinning out of control

I don't know if it has always been this way and I just wasn't paying attention, or whether things are really getting whacked out.

I often feel the need to just gather my family, what money I have, and just disappear to a remote island somewhere.

I keep hoping it's just a midlife crisis coming on.

[Beam Me Up]

41. No, it hasn't always been quite like this. Global war is a very real

possibility and that threat is growing every day these CRIMINALS remain in control of our Government. The only diplomacy they seem to know is intimidation. They've now had to pull the Nuclear option out of their bag of tricks and wave it about as if to say, "Don't think we wouldn't dare," and, indeed, who could stop them? They do not want to loose control of the petrochemical markets because the ruling elite of this country know that if they do, the United States will cease to be a unilateral "Superpower." Worse, they will loose their grip on ALL of us -- and the Goose that has been laying their Golden Egg for over a century will slip beyond their grasp.

[Occulus]

64. It's not just you unless I'm having one too n/t

[Rex]

8. Something always big is coming

to bad no one will ever stop the waves of shame and embarrassment.

[Upfront]

9. Inpeachment.

I think inpeachment is near.

[BlueIris]

34. Hmmmm. I like your confidence.

:-)

[TheStates]

43. More like resignation....

Any impeachment trials will be merely talk or just a quick startup. Don't be optomistic for real impeachment trials. For that you'd have to shame the entire congress.

[daninthemoon]

10. I feel it, and I fear it. I just don't recognize it.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

11. Turning and turning in the widening gyre

The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all convictions, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

The Second Coming, W.B. Yeats

[catnhatnh]

16. Yeah....

...What you and him (that Yeets) fellow said...

[Raksha]

39. I've quoted that poem on DU before...

...and on other discussion boards too. It just keeps becoming more and more applicable all the time.

I voted "I don't feel anything, but you could be right" because I seem to have a generalized feeling of dread ALL the time, about everything. It's hard to isolate a premonition about any particular event out of the generalized field of dread and anxiety. I just feel this tidal wave building, and it seems that things have to come to a head one way or the other, and it has to happen in the very near future. I honestly don't believe the country can survive another three years of the Bush regime. EITHER their crimes will be exposed and Bush will be removed from office, OR it won't happen and the next crisis (whatever it is) will bring on a fascist dictatorship. I just can't envision continuing on this path much longer.

[DS1]

12. No, because after Katrina they've realized they can't afford another

disaster, and are probably scrambling to call everything off.

[woodsprite]

13. I'm afraid you're right. I feel continually uneasy.

I think my "fight or flight" reaction is really high, but hubby doesn't take me seriously. I've always bailed before something big hit the fan wherever I worked. It was just something I didn't want to deal with, didn't HAVE to deal with because at the time I didn't have a family, BUT, it was always right and I made the right choice.

I'm getting that same uneasy feeling now tenfold, and now because of family -- well, I really don't know what it would take to make my hubby leave here. Delaware is too damn close to DC, Philly and NYC. He probably would do it if we had money saved, but with only 9 yrs to go for both of us to retirement, good retirement benefits, health paid for us, kids college tuition covered -- makes it hard to leave.

I'm thinking whatever little suprise the cabal has for us will be nuclear. Then I have to ask myself, where would I rather be? The true answer is standing right under that bomb when it went off so I wouldn't see the misery that was left for everyone else on earth. All these countries think "Nukylear" bombs are like tater chips - can't have just one.

I keep trying to tell myself that I'm just being paranoid. So far, it ain't working.

[Cobalt Violet]

14. I think another major disaster is on the way.

Be it natural, man-made or both like Katrina, something else will happen soon.

[...of J.Temperance]

This is what I think too and it won't matter if it's natural OR man-made

Because 38 states will STILL be under a State of Emergency and therefore the Bush bastard will use the NEXT disaster as an opportunity to declare Martial Law in those 38 states...and the other 12 states will soon follow.

I have several bets on this with people.

[Ksec]

15. Big as in Nuke big?

I fear nukes /

[jim3775]

18. No way, the current disaster is politically destroying them

a new one would assure total destruction.

[daninthemoon]

32. THEY DON'T CARE! This is their country and we're all just an annoyance.

Nothing will touch them no matter how many people die.

[MisterP]

19. some days before Katrina, I got real wound up and jumpy

now I'm just sleepy

[0007]

20. n0, n0t yeT!

But the old saying is, that ya get lucky just before you die.

Write a few lotto tickets.

[despairing optimist]

21. Whatever it is, it won't help al-Bushda. Count on it.

It may not help the rest of us either. It may kill some of us, and that's horrible to think, but face it, I'm probably not alone in thinking it.

I think the big thing will be the long-delayed crash of the stock, bond, and currency markets. This will combine with the energy crisis and credit crunch to form an economic tsunami that will lead to massive unemployment and foreclosures on inflated real estate. Banks and mortgage agencies like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac will be left holding overvalued assets, and these organizations will fail.

The final twist of the knife may be an act of economic terrorism perpetrated by some outlaw group we may never have heard of before. It could happen through an Internet-based sabotaging of databases or interference in electronic fund transfers of the Federal Reserve.

So enjoy today. These are the good old days.

[KittyWampus]

27. Richard Clarke Said That Was His Concern. That's What He Ended Up Working

on just before he left.

Cyber terrorism.

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. Though I feel it, the cynic in me is gong

too many times I have had this one... heck at one time even the death of a natioaal leader on tv... but nothing I feel ssems to change the cousre to hell and by they way I am having oen of those negative days

[giant_robot]

25. No, I don't have any particular gut feeling.

Honestly, I don't have much use for "gut feelings". We have a president who governs on gut feelings, and it's bought us nothing but a world of shit.

[Lorien]

26. More global warming related catastrophes is what my gut is telling me

from now until........?

[mopaul]

28. dread hangs in the air like storm clouds

[marions ghost]

48. true...

when I look around (beyond the media) I don't see much real happiness. I see worried people trying to grab a little fun and diversion here and there, fighting off depression. I see average Americans postponing their dreams, putting their lives on hold, treading water, marking time. Oh sure there will always be those who revel in the excessive wealth that provides a cushion, toasting themselves as the Titanic goes down. Like my often-inebriated uncle who said the day after 9-11--"oh yeah that was pretty bad, wasn't it" and didn't lose a wink of sleep. I doubt that many of us at DU fall in that category.

After what we have witnessed so far during this administration, it is realistic to imagine more disaster. Gloom and doom is widespread, epidemic. It's good to buckle up and prepare for the worst, but I don't believe there is really any way to escape the effects of these events, especially as economic conditions worsen. There is really no material security, no guaranteed safety net. It's all about inner strength and emotional support. Any Katrina victim can verify that truth. We will need to stick together and look for opportunities to create a new world. The old ways are collapsing.

[WiseButAngrySara]

29. My instinctual fear took over when SCOTUS selected this b..tard

AGAINST the will of the people. 9/11 was horrifying, but the 2000 election was when it started...this feeling or premonition of 'ill will' or major malaise. Nothing good has come of this presidency, and I fear that worse is to come. Maybe it will be positive for us; an impeachment for B*Co.

[kitkat65]

30. Yes, I too have been walking around under a cloud. Complete bunker

mentality here.

I've been looking at houses because I want to stop renting but there's this unshakable feeling of "why bother?"

I live in Columbus, Ohio and think this city would be a perfect spot for a staged terra-ist attack. Why Columbus? Well, we really don't like Bush all that much. It's a blue city and we've got grassroots activist groups working very hard to reform elections. I listen to AAR and a lot of the calls are from Columbus and surrounding area. There are activists in Cleveland and Cincinnati but, even though Columbus is the capitol, it's expendable. Destroy Cleveland and destroy Lake Erie. Destroy Cincinnati and destroy the Ohio River. There's no way Republicans can win the next election here. Our guv has been found with his hands dirty and the election that Paul Hackett almost won just means they'll have to cheat extra hard next time. Why cheat when you can nuke? I imagine the headlines will say TERROR IN THE MIDWEST! - The Heart of It All's Capitol Reduced to Rubble."

I keep trying to muster up some hope and faith that things are going to be fine. This too shall pass and all that. Katrina and it's aftermath has been quite a slap in the face for most Americans. It's as if the thin veil of what we have left of our democracy and civility was lifted up by a breeze just long enough to see the stinking evil corpse of our government underneath. It takes a long time to forget a stench like that.

I hope that what we're experiencing is a mild form of communal PTSD. In the meantime, prayers anyone?

[Berry Cool]

31. Know what the sad part is, kitkat?

I'm not so sure as many people would mourn Ohio as are mourning New Orleans.

I feel as terrible about what has happened as anyone, but I'd like to think I primarily feel terrible about it because PART OF OUR COUNTRY WAS LOST, PERIOD--because people DIED--and not just because it happened in that rich cultural stew that we think of as the cradle of jazz, Mardi Gras, and Cajun and Creole cuisine.

There was actually one columnist on a Web site somewhere that implied that Peoria should be bulldozed rather than NO. Nice. As if the people of Peoria deserve that.

I mean, if terrorists destroyed Detroit tomorrow, I'd like to think people's reaction would go a bit beyond "OH NO! They destroyed the HOME OF MOTOWN RECORDS!"

I get this horrible feeling that if Ohio disappeared from the map, the reaction from the majority of America would be "Oh well, who needed Cleveland anyway" or "So a bunch of cows died, who cares?" or "Who cares about those white-bread Velveeta eaters, they helped put Bush into office anyway."

Which, when you think about it, is just as presumptuous and stupid as assuming that all Alaskans live in igloos, or that everyone who dies in NO gets a jazz funeral.

Sure, what happened was a crime. But it was just as much a crime to those people in Mississippi and Alabama as to the people of NO. Even if no one is mourning the terrible scar on their "culture."

I can't blame you for feeling as if Columbus is an ideal target. You know, use it for practice...then move on to the big game.

Aw hell. All we really need is one bad blizzard. Next time we get that, we will know that we had better hope it doesn't last long, because sitting and waiting to be rescued by our government would be a bad, bad idea.

[Comadreja]

61. Indifference prevents revolution

Most Americans have cocooned themselves off from the world. Nothing will move them until they lose electrical power or discover their savings has dissapeared. There is no solidarity among the population, just among the ruling elites. Most are willing to be fooled that events such as 9/11 or JFK's killing are no more than what the official version says they are.

[nonconformist]

33. I've had that same nagging feeling as of late.

It's very unnerving.

[bunny planet]

35. Let's just hope it's the fall of the Bush administration without them

taking the rest of us with them.

I hope it's not Peak Oil, and economic freefall for the US and the rest of the world.

I definitely feel uneasy, but then I've felt that way since the shoplifting of the election in 2000.

[bunny planet]

36. I'm also worried the Bush crime family will try and pull something with

the demonstration in Washington on the 24th.

[Comadreja]

65. Who will know?

The media will ignore it. They ignored world-wide protests before Iraqnam. I know it sounds defeatist. I would go myself if I didn't live in WA and wasn't unemployed.

[fortyfeetunder]

37. It feels like a pressure cooker of sorts..without a release valve

And I swear I'd wish the hell it would happen so I can mourn, weep, get it over with.

[kalavaughn]

40. might be a loon, too

but this is what has been nagging at the back of my mind (or in my gut) as well. It may be rooted in my worst fears--that we have just seen the tip of the iceberg in what bush and his ruthless, power-mad cabal are capable of. Maybe the sense of foreboding has to do with wondering what the response of these ugly thugs will be if they truly find themselves up against the wall with the newly awakened American public.

[newyawker99]

57. Hi kalavaughn!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[titoresque]

42. My guts been churn'n too!

One thing I know for sure is that when I ignore my intuition It ALWAYS backfires on me. Listen to what you're feeling! If you havent made plans for an emergency now is the time to do that, stop waiting thinking you're crazy! Stop waiting around thinking if you actually plan for something terrible that you will be MAKING it happen! Stop it! We should all be making preparations.

[TheStates]

44. Presidential pardons are null and voided....Nullified in cases of....

Impeachment.

"The President...shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment."

That's the only mention of pardons in the Constitution.

WHAT THE CONSTITUTION SAYS ABOUT IMPEACHMENT

Impeachment is mentioned only six times in the Constitution:

Article 1, Section 2, Clause 5:

"The House of Representatives...shall have the sole Power of Impeachment."

Article 1, Section 3, Clause 6:

"The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments..."

Article 1, Section 3, Clause 7:

"Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law."

Article 2, Section 2, Clause 1:

"The President...shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment."

Article 2, Section 4:

"The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

Article 3, Section 2, Clause 3:

"The Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury..."

THE SUPREME COURT'S ANALYSIS OF THE PRESIDENTIAL PARDON POWER

It's a long established principle, upheld by the Supreme Court, and supported by commentary from the Constitutional Convention, that the presidential power to grant clemency is plenary except in "Cases of Impeachment."

In Schick v. Reed, 419 U.S. 256 (1974), the Supreme Court affirmed this broad authority. Chief Justice Burger stated that the power to pardon flows from the Constitution and "it cannot be modified, abridged, or diminished by the Congress." Id. at 266. But the Supreme Court in Schick v. Reed also announced, in three separate quotes, the only instance, besides "Cases of Impeachment", where a presidential pardon would be unconstitutional:"

http://citizenspook.blogspot.com/
All we have to really do is force congress to draft articles of impeachment, after shaming them to pieces, over criminal indictments/obstruction of justice.

[RONSTOO]

46. really great sex

pure animal sex will cure those thoughts...guaranteed.



Have some sex and check back with me later.

[Nothing Without Hope]

47. On top of everything else, the new PRE-EMPTIVE NUCLEAR STRIKE POLICY

is nearing approval. No kidding, and though reported in the Wash Post, NYT and Times (UK), it seems to be going under the radar.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1770759

When this is approved, Bush will be able to nuke anybody any time, just has to say he thinks they might maybe sometime think about using bio- or chem weapons or other WMDs. We'd already be in a nuclear World War III if this were in place before Iraq invasion.

You should realize that the neocons have wanted to attack Iran for a long time and probably Syria too.

Hell yes, terrible things are coming if the Bush cabal of soulless, insane, mass-murdering criminals isn't stopped.

[Murdock]

49. I sometimes wonder...

I mean the world has always been in chaos... Is it actually a more chaotic world today? or is it the same as it's ever been, with the added effect of having global instant communications..I mean could you imagine had we been alive during the Crusades? Inquisitions? Middle Ages? All with the global instant communications we have today?

I don't' know.. maybe history and life is coming to a head as we speak..If it is, and has, then so be it, it's what's meant to happen.. I've had to disconnect myself from it emotionally.. I spend time with my family and friends.. and on a macro level, none of us are promised tomorrow.. if collectively, then I am thankful that I saw through much of the B.S that will have lead us to this moment.. and I appreciate every moment that I've had with family, friends and the like..

[laylah]

50. I have felt this way

for months. Just yesterday I realized I feel no hope! I have always been an optimistic pessimist; however, I feel I am just a pessimist anymore. What is coming, I have no idea, but it IS big and I am scared.

Jenn

[wackadoo wabbit]

52. This will sound crazy . . .

but I first got the feeling that something really big and very bad will happen soon ("soon" on the cosmic scale, probably within the next half dozen years or so) about 6 or 7 years ago.

It first occurred when we were driving home late one night from Phoenix; I suddenly felt that at some time in the future I would be driving us north to "escape" (escape from what, I don't know). I'm still unsure if the feeling was a metaphor for my needing to do something to protect us (as in making sure we're well situated for the advent of peak oil) or if it was literal, but I do know that I've had this feeling that I'll be called upon to save my little family many times since then.

I know this all sounds nuts; but, for the record, my intuitions tend to be more reliable than not. Although he disregarded them at first, enough of them have come true that my husband listens to me when I tell him about them now.

I really hope this one's not true. I'd rather be thought a crackpot than be right.

[Zynx]

53. I have a strange sense something will happen to this administration.

I'm not sure what it is though and I wish I knew.

[mwb970]

54. It's the death of America.

So this is what it feels like.

[Catchawave]

55. September 24 is coming :)

Maybe it will happen there ?
Maybe it will happen on a square?

In my gut, I think this will be MORE than an anti-war protest :evilgrin:

[Imagevision]

56. AND SO IS THE FITZGERALD INDICTMENTS...!

[TheStates]

67. Read my topic....Presidential pardons become null and void.

In the case of impeachment.

[freethought]

58. Personally, I believe we about due for

another 9/11 style attack. Our military is stretched to the breaking point, we are bankrupt, our capacity to deal with emergencies is tied up in the NO/Katrina situation. The Katrina debacle showed that billions of Dollars and a government reorganization into what is know as the Dept of Homeland Security, is, to put bluntly, a joke that really isn't even funny. Some recent stories on Porter Goss' management of CIA suggests that Mr. Goss is little more than a partisan hack. Oh yes, and then there is the FBI. Does anyone really, truly believe that this agency is going to be transformed into an efficient domestic counter-terrorism fighter? Or will the same political games and careerism that plagued prior to 9/11 plague it now.

THis has all been laid out for the world to see. If they want to hit us
now, they could not have chosen a better time! I hate to sound so negative. I just feel that the circumstances that could have prevented 9/11 will be repeated again in the next attack. History repeats itself.

[BoneDaddy]

59. agreed

Most of our elite forces are in Iraq.

We have never been more vulnerable than we are right now.

Our infrastructure has taken a huge hit.

Corporations are creating their own armies of mercs, loyal to no one but the company.

The Bush crime family will not concede power.

WE are in trouble.

So, yes, I am sure something big is coming down the pike.

[Comadreja]

60. How long will the others bankroll us?

It's strange that China keeps buying US debt, which is what Bu$hitler is running this country on. Is he using Nukes as a threat to keep the debt-holders from cashing out until his term is over?

[Ladyhawk]

62. Maybe it will be a good thing? I guess I can hope.

I have had a "gut feeling" that something was coming since I first became aware of the evil that is the BFEE. If one is informed, there is a long, long laundry list of things to worry about, unfortunately. I can only hope that change is coming.

[Pepperbelly]

63. I think a terrorist assault is still some time ahead because ...

even semi-comatose terrorists would take note of the NO response or lack thereof and re-tune their schemes for greater impact. Not that my scenario is any better or anything.

[DawgHouse]

66. I voted yes, and I just discussed this with my son again

the other night. After Sept 11, we had long discussions about what to do in the event we are separated. He was in high school then and I wanted to make sure we had some way to contact each other if something horrendous happened in our region. He's 19 now but we went over again who to call, where to go, etc. Maybe it's all because of the news coverage with Katrina but it does worry me an awful lot.

[muriel_volestrangler]

68. What, not choice of "no, but we all get that feeling from time to time"?

I don't want to call you nuts, or direct you to rense.com. Feelings of "something big's coming, but I don't know what" seem to happen to almost everyone at one time or another. Normally, nothing earth-shattering does happen. It's just one of those things that happens to us - and once it starts, you brood on it. Maybe you posting, and getting replies, will help it to go away.

I would question whether events are larger now than in previous times. First World War? Second World War?

[HEAVYHEART]

69. Well

I tought NOLA was something BIG.

[pitohui]

70. how much bigger do you want

global thermonuclear war?

my gut is overloaded

the other day the motel i was staying in, the fire alarm went off, in a place full of evacees and clean-up workers

you know what we did

we rolled & over went to sleep

it's the overload

no more can happen & if it does happen we're quite numb