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joemurphy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 12:11 PM
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Why It's OK to Tax the Rich.
Edited on Sat Sep-17-05 12:15 PM by joemurphy
I read this at the following weblog. I happen to agree with it wholeheartedly:

<http://www.zompist.com/richtax.htm >

Why the Rich Should Pay More Taxes:

This piece, like my taxes, is just a bit late. For non-American readers, I should explain that income taxes are due on April 15. Non-American readers may also be utterly astonished at the arguments made below. Could Americans really be so lacking in common sense? Believe me, they could.
--Mark Rosenfelder

For more than a century it's been generally recognized that the best taxes (admittedly this is an expression reminiscent of "the most pleasant death" or "the funniest Family Circus cartoon") are progressive-- that is, proportionate to income.

Lately, however, it's become fashionable to question this. Various Republican leaders have trotted out the idea of a flat tax, meaning a fixed percentage of income tax levied on everyone. And in their hearts they may be anxious to emulate Maggie Thatcher's poll tax-- a single amount that everyone must pay.

Isn't that more fair? Shouldn't everyone pay the same amount?

In a word-- no. It's not more fair; it's appallingly unfair. Why? The rich should pay more taxes, because the rich get more from the government.

Consider defense, for example, which makes up 20% of the budget. Defending the country benefits everyone; but it benefits the rich more, because they have more to defend. It's the same principle as insurance: if you have a bigger house or a fancier car, you pay more to insure it.

Social security payments, which make up another 20% of the budget, are dependent on income-- if you've put more into the system, you get higher payments when you retire.

Investments in the nation's infrastructure-- transportation, education, research & development, energy, police subsidies, the courts, etc.-- again are more useful the more you have. The interstates and airports benefit interstate commerce and people who can travel, not ghetto dwellers. Energy is used disproportionately by the rich and by industry.

As for public education, the better public schools are the ones attended by the moderately well off. The very well off ship their offspring off to private schools; but it is their companies that benefit from a well-educated public. (If you don't think that's a benefit, go start up an engineering firm, or even a factory, in El Salvador. Or Watts.)

The FDIC and the S&L bailout obviously most benefit investors and large depositors. A neat example: a smooth operator bought a failing S&L for $350 million, then received $2 billion from the government to help resurrect it.

Beyond all this, the federal budget is top-heavy with corporate welfare. Counting tax breaks and expenditures, corporations and the rich snuffle up over $400 billion a year-- compare that to the $1400 budget, or the $116 billion spent on programs for the poor.

Where's all that money go? There's direct subsidies to agribusiness ($18 billion a year), to export companies, to maritime shippers, and to various industries-- airlines, nuclear power companies, timber companies, mining companies, automakers, drug companies. There's billions of dollars in military waste and fraud. And there's untold billions in tax credits, deductions, and loopholes. Accelerated depreciation alone, for instance, is estimated to cost the Treasury $37 billion a year-- billions more than the mortgage interest deduction. (Which itself benefits the people with the biggest mortgages. But we should encourage home ownership, shouldn't we? Well, Canada has no interest deduction, but has about the same rate of home ownership.)

For more, see Mark Zepezauer and Arthur Naiman's informative little book, Take the Rich Off Welfare.

How about social spending? Well, putting aside the merely religious consideration that the richest nation on the planet can well afford to lob a few farthings at the hungry, I'd argue that it's social spending-- the New Deal-- that's kept this country capitalistic.

Tempting as it is for the rich to take all the wealth of a country, it's really not wise to leave the poor with no stake in the system, and every reason to agitate for imposing a new system of their own. Think of social spending as insurance against violent revolution-- and again, like any insurance, it's of most benefit to those with the biggest boodle. (See also my page on whether welfare does any good).

Who Gets to Sit on the Tax?

Come election season, Steve Forbes, among other millionaires, will be pushing plans for a flat tax. These proposals need to be absorbed with a carload of salt.

A plan where everyone's taxes are lowered is of course simply a tax cut. Here, once again, the question to ask as a voter and citizen is, what government services do you want to cut? Somehow I don't think Steve is proposing to slash corporate welfare or defense. It's more likely a way to attempt to cut social spending through the back door. People like to hear about tax cuts; they don't like to hear about service cuts, even though they're financially equivalent.

A revenue-neutral plan won't change total receipts any-- it'll just redistribute it. Here you have to ask, who gets shafted?
You can't exactly make the poor pay more taxes-- they don't have the money. That leaves only one way to flatten the tax rates-- that is, reduce the taxes the rich pay: soak the middle class. If tax rates go down on the rich, and we're not cutting total taxes, the middle classes have to pay more.

So Steve and the others want the government, already pretty much a subsidiary of the large corporations, to be subsidized even more by the rest of us. About all I can say is, if the American people are stupid enough to swallow this, they deserve to pay for it. (Fortunately, as we saw with Monicagate, the American people are not as stupid as their leaders.)

This is pretty shameless, but it's much of a piece with Republican practice in general. For years some nosy folks (such as Sen. Moynihan) have been investigating what states pay the most to the federal government, and which states get the most benefits back. What a surprise: the biggest winners are the western and southern states that vote Republican; the biggest losers are the northeastern states that vote Democratic. Those who whine the most about taxes are those who suck the most from the public trough.

They won't be happy, I suppose, until they can reconstitute a truly medieval system, in which the nobles pay no taxes at all.

The Marriage Tax

While we're at it, what about the marriage penalty? Why in heavens are we penalizing marriage?

We aren't. This is a good example of politicians' weasel-talk. There's no marriage penalty-- there's a double-income penalty.
For instance, suppose you make $50,000 of taxable income (after deductions and exemptions) and your spouse doesn't work. Together you pay $8500 in taxes. A single person with the same income pays $10,700. You're enjoying a $2200 marriage bonus. (Even more, if you've taken the standard deduction.)

The penalty comes for double-income marriages. E.g. you make $50,000, and your spouse makes $40,000. You pay $19,700 in taxes; if you were both single you'd pay a total of $18,600-- about $1100 less.

Is it fair to tax double-income households more? Well, why not? If you have a double income, you can certainly afford to pay more than those of us who have just one.

And again, reducing this "penalty" for double-income households means increasing taxes on single-income households.

Exercises for the Republican Reader:

1.Write a rebuttal justifying the corporate subsidy of your choice, respecting the conservative principle that the tax system cannot be used for social engineering.

2.Write a homily, suitable for use in Sunday school, explaining why Jesus should have condemned the sheep who demeaned the poor by feeding and clothing them, and blessed the rich man for living in splendor while Lazarus suffered.

3.Take your favorite flat tax proposal and your last 1040, and have your accountant calculate how much money it will save you. Find the names of the five or six middle-class people who will have to make up that shortfall, and write them a nice thank-you note.

4.Compare the GNP with the rate of taxation over the last fifty years-- e.g. the boom years of the '50s with their 90% marginal tax rate-- and practice explaining that high tax rates discourage investment until you can do it with a straight face
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 12:16 PM
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1. who benefits most from living in the USA? WEALTHY people because
Edited on Sat Sep-17-05 12:16 PM by msongs
the system is designed to help rich people hang on to their money, legally and otherwise. The system is designed for rich people to get richer through any means possible, legal or otherwise. Both political parties have designed this system and their wealthy members benefit immensely and therefore will do nothing to change it.

Msongs
www.msongs.com/clark2008.htm
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 12:23 PM
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2. Another thing to consider
is that even if you raise the tax rates on the 1%er's is the standard repug comeback is that they won't actually pay them. There are loopholes built into most tax laws that allow the wealthy to avoid much of any tax increase. One big maneuver is in the area of charitable giving. When you raise taxes on the upper class they'll be the ones donating the $$ to build a wing on the hospital, or a new library, or a park, etc.....
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 12:26 PM
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3. Who is the author? nt
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joemurphy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 12:38 PM
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6. Author is Mark Rosenfelder -- a linguist and programmer
Edited on Sat Sep-17-05 12:41 PM by joemurphy
Has a very interesting website at
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wurzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 12:31 PM
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4. When any system has the kind of results we see in USA, it does not work.
Any economic system that results in the gap of income in our country cannot possibly be described a "working". Obviously it is not working. The job of the government is to "govern". That is to maintain a social balance. That is not happening either. The only way is wealth redistribution through a tax system. It isn't rocket science. If "Socialism shares the poverty", then it is equally true that Capitalism does not share the wealth.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 12:34 PM
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5. Good article...
Also THAT'S WHERE ALL THE FUCKING MONEY IS
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Qibing Zero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 01:09 PM
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7. The way I look at it:
The system is inherantly unfair. It's easier for the rich to make money, and harder for them to lose it. Everyone doesn't start off at the same level, obviously, and if you have a lot of money, you can take the risks necessary to win big. The big argument for the RWers is that 'everybody has a chance'. Yeah, that's true, but the chance is nowhere near equal. The biggest losers are, as we all know, the poor and the minorities. Anyone whom the Great Capitalist Cycle discriminates against already has a much, much lower chance of succeeding before they even start, and since it's exponential, you can't just have a flat tax.

You can look at taxes as a sort of 'cover charge' to enter the system. The more you have, the more you put up front. The large amount of money from the top gets redistributed to the less fortunate, who then have a chance to get going. Of course it still doesn't make the system completely fair, but it helps extensively.


Personally, I like to take a more society-oriented approach that says: we have the resources to help everyone and still have some left over to be more than enough to fuel a decent market, so why, instead of helping people, are we stuck in a system that rewards the Paris Hiltons of the world while decent, intelligent people starve?
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 01:12 PM
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8. The rich get the most from America, so they should give the most
Our government protects a capitalist system that permits the rich to make enormous profits. Therefore, they should do their part to help fund the government that protects them.
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 01:15 PM
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9. police protection
Which category gets better protection?

Another example of how the rich get more from gov. Good essay.
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