Montauk6
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Sat Sep-17-05 12:36 PM
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A tired old issue but one that still sticks in my craw, help me out please |
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Did then-President Bill Clinton LIE under oath?
This is the eternal spin we're given constantly but I'd like to hear from the more informed here: did Clinton actually, technically lie under oath? Or did he simply answer questions as given to him by those interrogating him without volunteering anything, which I assumed was a witness's right?
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Maddy McCall
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Sat Sep-17-05 12:40 PM
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1. He lied to Americans. He lied under oath. BUT... |
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he was questioned about personal matters in which congress had NO business.
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Sat Sep-17-05 12:42 PM
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Was it perjury? Maybe not.
In any event he lied in response to a question that never should have been asked, was none of our business and none of Paula Jones' business.
He should have gone Nixon on them and fired Ken Starr, ordered his office shut down and sicked the IRS on Starr and all of his deputies.
This is something I still have a bitter pill in my mouth about.
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Sat Sep-17-05 12:44 PM
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It don't make a damn bit of difference, cause if he did it was about a BLOWJOB, not a WAR or Drowning a Whole American City for God's sake!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jeez, ANYBODY that tries to use THAT to whitewash what is and has been going on in this Country since '98 (7 years ago, I might add) has absolutely NO cogitative argument of any thing political ever.
They are either delusional or heavily under the influence of Oxy Rush. Just back away from them and get some Haz-Mat guy to hose'm down.
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Sat Sep-17-05 12:44 PM
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4. Yeah, he lied under oath. About a blow job. |
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That kind of thing belongs in the pages of the National Enquirer, not wasting our taxpayer dollars in impeachment proceedings.
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Sat Sep-17-05 12:48 PM
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5. He merely fell into a carefully crafted trap the republicans set for him |
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Edited on Sat Sep-17-05 12:48 PM by SoCalDem
Apparently he did not know that THEY knew about Monica, and during the PAULA JONES hearing, they asked him about Monica (in an oblique way) and he did what any man would do.. he lied about it because he thought they were just "fishing".. By that time they already had the tapes (but BC didn't know it)..they knew just how to ask the questions so that when they sprang the trap, he would be caught either way.. Lie then or lie before? both under oath..
He should have just stonewalled them from the get go and told them that his personal business was none of their business..
The real outrage was when the Rehnquist court "decided" that it was no biggie if Clinton was sued by Paula Jones.. The civil suit brought by her was totally without merit, but the court decided it might be "fun" to add to his misery and that the distraction was not any big deal.. Subsequent happenings have proved them very wrong..
At the point they decided he could be sued, the "event" was several years in the past, and it was obvious that the whole thing was just to distract and embarrass him, so it was pure mean-spiritedness and rightwing zealotry that was in action here..
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Sat Sep-17-05 01:14 PM
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7. With this precedent, cannot Bushie* be sued while in office? |
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Sat Sep-17-05 01:28 PM
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8. No woman has been able to present a case against him. |
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I think the Jones suit was actually officially filed between the election and the inauguration..and then taken to the SCOTUS (that was no friend of his)..
People are afrais to even tell him his shirt is button incorrectly, or his fly is open...who would dare to sue him:P
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Sat Sep-17-05 03:57 PM
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11. Now that you mention it, wasn't there one lady who could've done just that |
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but ended up dead under curious circumstances?
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Sat Sep-17-05 04:23 PM
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14. Yes.. she's dead.. but unfortunately |
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her story (when she was alive) had some serious problems..and she was dismissed as a loony:(
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Sat Sep-17-05 03:56 PM
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10. Doesn't Exec Order 13033 (or whatever the number) nix that possibility? |
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Sat Sep-17-05 04:25 PM
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a unanimous one in the Supreme Court? It's hard to turn that into a partisan attack. It upheld the notion that the President is not above the law.
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Sat Sep-17-05 01:07 PM
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As he answered the question about sex with a stipulated definition (which did not cover the type of sex that he, in fact, had).
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Sat Sep-17-05 01:32 PM
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9. Who wouldn'thave lied? It was nobody's damn business but Hilary's and |
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Monica's. Why are you even bringing this up? Does that one lie compare in any way with the bloodfilled lies of this administration and the whole rethuglican party? It's bad enough we still here about this from fucking jay leno EVERY night. It did not matter then, and it sure as hell doesn't matter now.
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Sat Sep-17-05 04:08 PM
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13. If he didn't technically/legally lie under oath, yes it does matter! |
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I'm tired of the BIG LIE that the right puts out ad nauseum about liberalism.
I'm tired of the BIG LIE they put out about their holier-than-thou patriotism which is nothing more than nationalistic horsehockey.
And I'm ESPECIALLY sick of the BIG LIE that Clinton's lying under oath was the most despicable, destructive act in the history of human existence (particularly when, as I suspect, the supposed fib may never happened).
And if Hillary runs, if you're tired of hearing Leno joke about it now, just wait til the campaign starts (I can't even imagine why you'd torture yourself watching Leno anyway, but hey, different strokes, right?).
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Sat Sep-17-05 04:07 PM
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that didn't include actual intercourse would have made what he claimed 'truth' in my book- If it had been asked of me in my teen years-
And you can bet your ass bush had lied much more than that, under and over oath.
He took an oath to preserve the Constitution, then signed the 'Patriot Act'- is that not a lie? a TREASONOUS lie?
He lied when asked if he'd ever been arrested when questioned for jury duty- then when caught, he used the excuse of "I wanted to be a good role model for my daughters"..... ha, lie, then pretend lying is 'noble'- NOT.
He lied when he said "I've been to war, and I've raised twins, I'd choose war". He never saw any combat- he never was IN a war- liar-
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Sat Sep-17-05 04:25 PM
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He would have been convicted of perjury - which he was not.
That's why he use the "is" defense.
The short answer is NO.
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