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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 09:48 PM
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Acckkk! It has started. I clicked on Krugman's new piece and was
blocked!

Bye Paul. It was good while I knew ya!


:-(
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 09:52 PM
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1. Maybe some of his stuff will still show up on Common Dreams.
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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 04:03 AM
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24. Aw, now nobody is gonna read the times
Rich and Krugman are worth the wait, read'um online, the Screw York Times doesn't deserve your money.

Take that NYT, I'm still pissed about Iran Contra and 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005.
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philarq Donating Member (273 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 09:52 PM
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2. ok--the new stuff is pay only
but will it migrate to the free stuff in a week?
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 10:01 PM
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7. I haven't heard any plans to do that.
I wish they would but I've never seen or heard it mentioned.
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maine_raptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 09:54 PM
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3. Deleting NYT from my "favorites" list as of tonight then.
I was going to wait until tomorrow, but since they started a day early, so will I.
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PuraVidaDreamin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 09:56 PM
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5. just gotta get those who subscribe to be our friends
4 paragraphs from one or three subcribers
should do the trick. I'd contribute to
that fund.
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hardrainfallin Donating Member (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 10:13 PM
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10. Hate to admit it, but I am a subscriber. Just signed up
first 4 paragraphs to follow.

Shall I post here or in OpEd.

lemme know.

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PuraVidaDreamin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 10:18 PM
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11. Thanks! and spread it around! Editorial or Political all good to me
O8) :bounce: :smoke: :thumbsup: :hi: :loveya:
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 10:21 PM
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12. Thanks, HardRain...
I am so limited on budget right now, I just can't shell out $50 for NYT! But, I'm really going to miss it...
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hardrainfallin Donating Member (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 10:24 PM
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14. I think I'm still on the student acct! (maybe not)
NYT is hubbie's baby, I'd have cancelled long ago....for obvious reasons.... just went over to OpED and saw someone beat me to it o the first for...but I guess I can go over there and fill in the blanks huh?
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hardrainfallin Donating Member (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 10:27 PM
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16. Wow! did you see what's over in the oped forum?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=103&topic_id=157771&mesg_id=157831

These four paragraphs were particularly good, too.

But even now the administration's priority of image over substance is embedded like a cancer in the Katrina relief process. Brazenly enough, Mr. Rove has been officially put in charge of the reconstruction effort. The two top deputies at FEMA remaining after Michael Brown's departure, one of them a former local TV newsman, are not disaster relief specialists but experts in P.R., which they'd practiced as advance men for various Bush campaigns. Thus The Salt Lake Tribune discovered a week after the hurricane that some 1,000 firefighters from Utah and elsewhere were sent not to the Gulf Coast but to Atlanta, to be trained as "community relations officers for FEMA" rather than used as emergency workers to rescue the dying in New Orleans. When 50 of them were finally dispatched to Louisiana, the paper reported, their first assignment was "to stand beside President Bush" as he toured devastated areas.


The cashiering of "Brownie," whom Mr. Bush now purports to know as little as he did "Kenny Boy," changes nothing. The Knight Ridder newspapers found last week that it was the homeland security secretary, Michael Chertoff, not Mr. Brown, who had the greater authority to order federal agencies into service without any request from state or local officials. Mr. Chertoff waited a crucial, unexplained 36 hours before declaring Katrina an "incident of national significance," the trigger needed for federal action. Like Mr. Brown, he was oblivious to the humanitarian disaster unfolding in the convention center, confessing his ignorance of conditions there to NPR on the same day that the FEMA chief famously did so to Ted Koppel. Yet Mr. Bush's "culture of responsibility" does not hold Mr. Chertoff accountable. Quite the contrary: on Thursday the president charged Homeland Security with reviewing "emergency plans in every major city in America." Mr. Chertoff will surely do a heck of a job.

WHEN there's money on the line, cronies always come first in this White House, no matter how great the human suffering. After Katrina, the FEMA Web site directing charitable contributions prominently listed Operation Blessing, a Pat Robertson kitty that, according to I.R.S. documents obtained by ABC News, has given more than half of its yearly cash donations to Mr. Robertson's Christian Broadcasting Network. If FEMA is that cavalier about charitable donations, imagine what it's doing with the $62 billion (so far) of taxpayers' money sent its way for Katrina relief. Actually, you don't have to imagine: we already know some of it was immediately siphoned into no-bid contracts with a major Republican donor, the Fluor Corporation, as well as with a client of the consultant Joe Allbaugh, the Bush 2000 campaign manager who ran FEMA for this White House until Brownie, Mr. Allbaugh's college roommate, was installed in his place.

It was back in 2000 that Mr. Bush, in a debate with Al Gore, bragged about his gubernatorial prowess "on the front line of catastrophic situations," specifically citing a Texas flood, and paid the Clinton administration a rare compliment for putting a professional as effective as James Lee Witt in charge of FEMA. Exactly why Mr. Bush would staff that same agency months later with political hacks is one of many questions that must be answered by the independent investigation he and the Congressional majority are trying every which way to avoid. With or without a 9/11-style commission, the answers will come out. There are too many Americans who are angry and too many reporters who are on the case. (NBC and CNN are both opening full-time bureaus in New Orleans.) You know the world has changed when the widely despised news media have a far higher approval rating (77 percent) than the president (46 percent), as measured last week in a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 10:35 PM
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19. Yes, that is good but it is Frank Rich. It was in today's paper and still
for free. It won't be next Sunday.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 10:00 PM
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6. It is Mondays paper that it will be in. They always post tomorrows
paper the night before - around 10:00 pm Central Time. I always read tomorrows paper the night before.

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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 09:56 PM
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4. Relax and go here:
Edited on Sun Sep-18-05 09:58 PM by Jim Sagle
http://www.pkarchive.org/ (and then click on the left-side COLUMNS tab).
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 10:02 PM
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9. I knew (hoped) there would be ways to get it. Thanks, you're a prince.
Edited on Sun Sep-18-05 10:06 PM by Pirate Smile
edit to add - I don't see it there yet. The one posted and blocked is this:

Tragedy in Black and White
By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: September 19, 2005


Race is the biggest reason the United States is ruled by a political movement that is hostile to the idea of helping citizens in need.

To continue reading this article, you must be a subscriber to TimesSelect.


The most recent one posted on the website is "Not the New Deal-9.16.05"

We'll see it they have by tomorrow.
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wakemewhenitsover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 01:31 AM
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21. Thanks. Any ideas about where to find Bob Herbert's columns?
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 10:02 PM
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8. I didnt know about this
See ya NYT.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 10:23 PM
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13. it's like they WANT to become even more irrelevant
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freethought Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 10:26 PM
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15. The fee is for access to the editorials.
You still have access to news stories and features. The editorial columnists are big draw for the NYT website. There has been a long slow decline in the revenues being brought in from print news. Newspapers are looking for new sources of revenues. It is about a buck a week or $50 for a year. Like it or not NYT is a business. I am trying not to judge them too harshly.
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 10:37 PM
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20. Very True...
I'd rather see it ad supported (like the paper itself is) but you're right the NYT is a business. People have to be paid to work there and put out a paper. I just hate to lose this source of info.
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liam_laddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 10:29 PM
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17. Times Select
Edited on Sun Sep-18-05 10:31 PM by liam_laddie
If you've been reading the NYT online, you cannot have missed the bold "Times Select" box on the front page for the last ten days or so. The deal is: for $50/year ($40 first year if you signed up by
today, I assume midnight Sunday) you have access to the Op-Ed
pages and certain others, plus (100) archive accesses/month, plus ability to read certain of the Sunday edition sections as early as Wed and Fri. All in all, I feel it's an okay deal...for 11 or 14 cents a day. I think the negative comments on this thread are uncalled-for and show a lack of awareness or understanding of on-line business models. Circulation of print newspapers is falling across the land, and on-line advertisers do not carry the water as do print advertisers.

It's kinda like BBC-TV; ya pays yer telly tax and ya don't have to deal with irritating ads every ten (or less) minutes. Get used to the future of commercial journalism. And I do believe on-line blogs, digests and forums like DU, Common Dreams and many others, while perhaps not having the same access to "newsmakers," are indeed the effective future of disseminating news, opinion and crucial information. Long live the web!
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 10:31 PM
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18. I wonder if a week later - if they would let those of us who pay to
download the articles in their entirety. I mean - it goes out to the libraries for free at that point.

You would think that would be okay.

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Princess Turandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:17 AM
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22. If you are in NYC and have a library card..
you can access a large number of papers online for free.You get all articles, not just the webpage articles, although you need to search by topic.

You can read articles in the Times which you would need to now pay for since they are not super-current. (Not Times Select, but rather the the archived stuff.)

Just go to online databases.
I don't know how long the delay is to load the database.
It looks like it is about a week, since they have a 9/11 column by Kristof showing up.

Did people find that for the last few months, your ID would expire requiring almost daily sign-in? I was wondering if they were doing that on purpose since nothing else that I read has been signing me off. It stopped happening about a week ago.
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rivertext Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 04:00 AM
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23. now is a good time to visit the Krugman archives
I'm going to play it safe so no one feels tempted to delete this message. I'm just going to repeat what I said in the title.

If you haven't done so already now is a good time to visit the Unofficial Paul Krugman Archives:


http://www.pkarchive.org/


-------

Krugman's latest column is one of his best -- the new Republican Party's racist heart. You don't want to miss it.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 07:06 AM
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27. Thank you for providing this link! Excellent.! Article link and snip
http://www.pkarchive.org/column/091905.html

snip


By three to one, African-Americans believe that federal aid took so long to arrive in New Orleans in part because the city was poor and
black. By an equally large margin, whites disagree.

The truth is that there's no way to know. Maybe President Bush would have been mugging with a guitar the day after the levees broke even if New Orleans had been a mostly white city. Maybe Palm Beach would also have had to wait five days after a hurricane hit before key military units received orders to join rescue operations.

But in a larger sense, the administration's lethally inept response to Hurricane Katrina had a lot to do with race. For race is the biggest reason the United States, uniquely among advanced countries, is ruled by a political movement that is hostile to the idea of helping citizens in need.

Race, after all, was central to the emergence of a Republican majority: essentially, the South switched sides after the passage of the Civil Rights Act. Today, states that had slavery in 1860 are much more likely to vote Republican than states that didn't.

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 04:21 AM
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25. The whatsit under the headline sounded worthwhile, too:
September 19, 2005
Tragedy in Black and White

Race is the biggest reason America treats its poor more harshly than any other advanced country.
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
I hope it's going to lose them more readers than it's worth. Horrid, obnoxious idea.
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 05:49 AM
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26. Go to your local library's website and see if they subscribe to the NYT.
Proquest has a wonderful database of the Times going back to the 1850's. It's updated daily in html format. The historic stuff is in pdf.

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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 07:39 AM
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28. Krugman is tops. (eom)
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 07:43 AM
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29. no kidding!
The "newspaper of record" is officially declared irrelevant. Any columnist that can see the light should immediately find another outlet.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:05 PM
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30. I won't pay for this crap. Even free it's frequently a rip off. Any paper
that prints misleading and even false information as much as they do, I refuse to pay for.

And any paper that would continue to pay a salary to Judith Miller should be grateful that anyone would want to read them anyway.
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