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TrueAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 10:16 AM
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Tropical Storm/Hurricane Rita
If it turns out to be as ugly as Rita Crosby. This storm could be nasty.
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flowomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 10:17 AM
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1. I was thinking of Lovely Rita, (baro)Meter Maid....
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 10:17 AM
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2. Heard it's projected to be a 3.
I have family in TX. :scared:
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BlueJac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 10:18 AM
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3. Rita will be covering the Aruba missing Blond case
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 10:20 AM
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4. Latest 5 day has it hitting Houston...
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 10:27 AM
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8. I Think This Rita Blows More...
Edited on Mon Sep-19-05 10:27 AM by KharmaTrain


I hear that she comes in hot and wet and when she leaves...she takes the house...
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 10:21 AM
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5. I often wonder........
what she has on somebody (or does to somebody) that keeps her on television. She is the most talentless, skanky, shrill "hostess" on any of these "news" programs. Usually the talking heads are, at the very least, cute. But Rita is an unfortunate looking woman along with the rest of her obvious flaws. Why is she there? :shrug:
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 10:38 AM
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13. Oh? Are Aaron Brown, Larry King and Wolf Blitzer "cute"?
Edited on Mon Sep-19-05 10:39 AM by theHandpuppet
Damn, this is one of the most sexist conversations I've seen here in a while.
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ovidsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 11:13 AM
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22. Let's be cynical for a second
I think that CT's point is that, regardless of her looks (and beauty is in the eye of the beholder), at least Rita could have some brains. I prefer brains and looks, I'm happy with brains without looks, I can at least LOOK at looks without brains (turn the sound down?) but no looks and no brains is a waste of electricity. That's not sexist, that's reality.

Re: Brown, King and the Blitz man, they may not be hotties, but occasionally they show some thought. IMO, of course.
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 10:23 AM
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6. I'm here in Miami
So I will have to board up my windows tonight.
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 10:27 AM
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9. Why? n/t
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 10:36 AM
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12. I have shutters you can just roll over.
If this one turns out to be another Katrina, which hit is harder than we expected, then I rather be safe than sorry.
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 10:42 AM
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15. True but...
It isn't going to hit us man. Even Katrina was following one of the models, just not the most...believable one I should say for lack of a better word.
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 10:47 AM
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16. I'm going to have my eye on it
If it comes even close -- these things always have a mind of their own and can veer off path -- then I'll put on the shutters, which takes me 15 minutes at the most.
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 10:55 AM
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17. They don't have a mind of their own.
And no they can't just veer off the path. That's why there are more than just one forecast model.
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 10:59 AM
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18. I've lived down here all my life
And I can tell you that hurricanes do have a mind of their own. Of course I'm being figurative.

Were you here for Hurricane David back in 1979 which was supposed to be a direct hit on Miami, but veered at the last moment?


Or Hurricane Andrew in 1992, which was supposed to be strike Broward, but struck South-Dade?

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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 11:03 AM
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No I arrived in Miami a year later.
And yes I was here for Andrew and even then I knew it could dip down south which is what it did, right over my house. There's more than one forecast model. TV chooses to show you the most likely path but that doesn't mean there aren't others to be chosen.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 11:47 AM
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37. I remember David...
... I was too lazy to board up for that one. Very happy when it veered away at the last moment.

This one looks like it'll stay south of Miami-Dade. We're under Hurricane warning which'll make my kid happy . NO school!
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 11:07 AM
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20. Katrina wasn't following any models.
Katrina was a storm. Storms don't follow models. The models try to figure out what the storm will do. Usually they are pretty good, but sometimes not so good. As far as hitting Miami - right now we are getting the very outermost rain and wind bands up here in Palm Beach County. Never trust a hurricane that is that close to you to not hit you.

The northern reach of this storm is VERY large.
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 11:15 AM
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25. Really?
It's sunny in Miami. And yes Katrina did follow the model. Cars don't follow models but if I see one moving down a street I can say with complete certainty that it will reach the end of the street.

Yes the storm is large. I've never personally seen a small one though. This is a faster moving storm, less wind and less rain. It's not going to do anything to Miami and certainly not Palm Beach county.
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 11:23 AM
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29. Katrina did NOT hit the panhandle of Florida as the models suggested.....
....she veered farther west than the models predicted. :think:
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 11:27 AM
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30. Um...no
The models were pretty damn accurate as far as the second land fall is concerned. There's always a chance for wobbling in either direction which of course could affect wide areas depending on where the shift takes place.
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:07 PM
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39. Katrina DID NOT follow model!
You really need to do your research!
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:18 PM
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40. I did
Here's my proof:




Where's yours?
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:30 PM
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41. Those prediction tracks are from when the storm
Edited on Mon Sep-19-05 12:31 PM by FlaGranny
was right off the coast of Florida. Put up the predicted tracks from when it was west of the Bahamas, please.

I certainly hope that your denial doesn't get you into trouble in the future. What hurricane was it last year that was predicted to hit Bermuda and hit the Bahamas instead?

"Frances strengthened rapidly, reaching Category 3 intensity 24 hours later on the 27th and Category 4 the next day. Initially forecast to turn north and potentially threaten Bermuda, conditions changed and Frances's predicted track shifted westward toward the Bahamas."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Frances

And who could forget Hurricane Jeanne. No one was willing to predict where that would go until the very last minute.

Edit: Almost forgot Charley - forecast to hit the Tampa area, but took a sudden jog to the east and hit Ft. Myers/Sanibel.
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 02:42 PM
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49. Sure...here it is.


The predicted landfalls are very close. These storms do not deviate drastically from forecast models. That's why more than one is used, to make the best guess (cause that's what it is) as to where landfall occurs and it changes by the minute.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:30 PM
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42. these models are not in agreement, it's so frustrating
impossible to make good decisions based on this quality of forecast

you cannot pack up & panic every time a storm might hit "somewhere" in the northern gulf of mexico

i'm from the new orleans area, i remember v. well how little time we had to pack up & get out because the models did not converge quickly enough

i'm not saying the weather service screwed up, they did the best they could considering the weird behavior of this storm, but fact remains they did not give us the ideal amt of advance notice most plans assume (72 hrs)

until it actually made landfall most of us were worried abt having to evac to the east, because the storm appeared would go east

as it was, i was actually evac'd into the storm track & forced to move again by local police in miss.



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sexybomber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 01:09 PM
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46. The endpoints of those tracks cover a 400 mile span.


The ones for Rita are all pretty much in agreement. I'm guessing they're going to be more or less accurate. We shall see, though.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 10:29 AM
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10. Board up....
I wouldn't think you'd have much of a problem in Miami, but it's good to take precautions. Best of luck to you and keep watching this thing like a hawk. They seem to be doing some crazy shit this year. The text books are going to have to be re-written after this year. Stay safe!
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 10:34 AM
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11. We didn't board up for Katrina
And she hit is much harder than we expected. A lot of trees went through windows. I was without power for five days. Eighty percent of the county was without power at some point after the storm. Eleven people died.

It's better to be safe than sorry.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 11:48 AM
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38. Oh, Raging -- not AGAIN....
My thoughts are with you. I hope this thing fizzles out and misses everybody.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 10:26 AM
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7. This doesn't look good.........
it's tracking more to the northwest than originally projected and could track even further northward. Rita, stay the hell away from New Orleans. You and you sister Katrina are a couple of real bitches, you know that? No one on the Gulf Coast needs this shit right now.

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Village Idiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 10:42 AM
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14. It's almost the same size as Rita MacNeil!!!
Edited on Mon Sep-19-05 10:44 AM by Village Idiot
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 11:03 AM
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19. Worst case scenario
Watch out if the computer models start showing this thing going north-northeast---Beaumont/Port Arthur sit about halfway between projected point and Louisiana. When I lived down there, we were always told if a hurricane toppled High Island, we were in a world of hurt.


http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:8lQ-bci-DBoJ:www.southeasttexaslive.com/site/news.cfm%3Fnewsid%3D15154049%26BRD%3D2287%26PAG%3D461%26dept_id%3D512588%26rfi%3D6+%22port+arthur%22%22sea+level%22%22hurricane%22&hl=en&client=firefox-a

>>>>>>>>snip
With some significant alterations, those scenes could come from Southeast Texas if a similar hurricane strikes here, said Lew Fincher, vice president of Hurricane Consultants Inc.

>>>>>>>>>snip
Here, a surge such as Katrina's could flood parts of southern Jefferson County in water up to 24 to 25 feet above sea level, Fincher said. From Sabine Pass and Port Arthur to Port Neches and Nederland, the elevation rises from a foot above sea level to about 23 feet.

>>>>>>>snip
"Life would cease to exist as we know it. The landscape would be completely different," said John Lee, planning coordinator for the Galveston County Office of Emergency Management.

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Justyce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 11:10 AM
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21. That's where I live -- right smack in the
middle of Beaumont & Port Arthur... I started doing a little minor preparation last night but will put a little more effort into getting ready tonight to fly just in case. More so than the storm surge even, if the refineries are damaged & leaking chemicals, who knows when we'd be able to come back... :(
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 11:14 AM
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23. One of the models shows it hitting
I'd speed up the preparations.:scared:
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Justyce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 11:22 AM
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28. This is scary... the last
hurricane at least convinced my parents to evacuate if it looks like a bad one coming right at us -- before that, they said no way would they leave, never had before, etc., but after seeing what happened to all those who said that in New Orleans, they have finally changed their thinking -- thank goodness!!

I'm going to kick the packing into high gear when I get off of work - making a list now of things to bring just in case... hard to decide which things you don't mind possibly walking away from forever.
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Saphire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 11:32 AM
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32. wow...that's where I'm from...Groves
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Justyce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 11:36 AM
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35. Hi! I'm in PN
If we have to go, I'm definitely going to leave early before the traffic jams like last time...
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 11:15 AM
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24. It would also put out of action more oil refineries.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 11:21 AM
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27. Perhaps this is Mother Nature's way of getting back
to the land being raped for oil...she will decimate the areas with the highest oil production.
Personally, I think that Mother Nature would be less likely to wreak her wrath on someone with an immoral lifestyle than she would to an area that was tearing up her environment.:evilgrin:
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:38 PM
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43. you should be ashamed to leave such a post
when you don't eat food transported up the mississippi or put gas in your car or heat yr home

come back & tell us how immoral we are for doing the hard dirty work of this nation in the northern gulf of mexico

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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:45 PM
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44. I'm not ashamed
If you can't see the sarcasm intended, then you need to lighten up.
Haven't you heard the fundies screaming that the reason it hit NO was because of the immoral lifestyles?
If there is a "higher power" of reason, then I submit that it is just as likely because of the damage to the environment that has been inflicted in those areas by the oil companies.
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 11:16 AM
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26. Free Satellite Pics! (till Ricky Santorum makes you pay for them at WU)


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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 11:28 AM
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31. Does anyone know current Gulf water temperatures
and how they compare to temps when Katrina moved into the Gulf?
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 11:33 AM
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33. Not sure about the Gulf, but heard this morning that it's 89 degrees
(water surface temp) where Rita is now.
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 11:34 AM
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34. Here you go. They look to be the same.
Katrina:




Rita:
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Geo55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 11:46 AM
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36. If Rita reaches it's potential
Think about it....89-90 degree gulf water....we've been here before.
If it doesn't bust us as a nation.....surely it may wake the "majority" as to how vulnerable we are...."homeland security , indeed.........maybe it'll hit rich folks in the gulf ...(not that I wish that on ANYONE , ....but maybe...after Katrina , it will show where the power lies.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 01:06 PM
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45. A few suggestions for preparations for those staying put
Edited on Mon Sep-19-05 01:06 PM by theHandpuppet
1. Get yourself a couple of sturdy (new) trash cans with lids; metal preferable but heavy-duty plastic will do. (At least 20 gal cans) Line them with large yard bags and fill each one with potable water. Replace lid. If you hook up a short garden hose directly to your faucet this can be done in a relatively short time.

2. Stock up on plastic trash bags and plastic bins and store as much as you can in water-tight containers. That includes things such as clothes, first aid kits, batteries, important papers, family heirlooms.

3. If you have kids, make sure you write their name, addy, your name and phone in indelible marker somewhere on their clothing -- just in case you get separated.

4. Stock up on NON-PERISHABLE foods. Powdered or canned milk, granola bars, canned pastas and meats, dried fruits, that sort of thing. Store in plastic bins.

5. Make sure you have an ample supply of prescription medicines.

6. If you don't have a cat/dog carrier, get one! Write your info in marker on the carrier, including the name/phone of your vet. Make sure your pet has its collar and tags.

7. If you live near a sporting/hunting supply store, see if you can get a crank-operated lantern and radio.

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sexybomber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 01:14 PM
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47. What do you want to bet...
that Smirk makes DAMN sure all of his cronies are out of Texas before that sucker hits...

I hope it wipes out his ranch.
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phusion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 01:19 PM
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48. Holy crap...
This really sucks. This nation is already on its knees financially. If this turns into another whopper and hits a major city, it could really hurt.

And what about Hurricane Phillippe?

damn.
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