How do literal, bible-thumping RW Christians spin this one?

[Not Me]

Exodus 35:2

"For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death."

It kinda' puts a damper on Walmart being open on Sunday. And man, the penalty is severe...but 'that's what the Bible says...'

[stanwyck]

1. Good question. Here's another one.

How do conservative Christians square voting for an anti-environmental party like the Republican Party when there are hundreds of Bible verses stressing the importance of caring for the flora and fauna? (only two mentions of homosexuality in the Bible. But hundreds on protecting the environment.) Interesting priorities for our conservative friends.

[FreedomAngel82]

31. Yes

The difference between that and the verse in question is there are plenty of references in the new testament that shows we should take care of our planet because this is our only home. I'm a huge bigtime enviornmentalist freak. That's one of the many reason's why I voted for John Kerry.

[calico1]

2. Rather harsh.

Doesn't the bible also say you can't wear braids or eat shellfish? I am not a bible student but according to people I know the bible says a lot of stuff that if you took it literally would be very strange to say the least.

[Dr.Phool]

9. They try to claim that that all changed with Jesus

That he brought forth a new law. But, that's only when it suits their purposes. Even Jesus said, "I have come to change NOT one jot or tittle of the law".

[gauguin57]

35. Well if it all changed with Jesus, then the OT verse from Leviticus about

homosexuality must be null and void, too.

Hey! What about that, Fundies? Huh?

[hfojvt]

36. unfortunately there are also verses from Paul

which condemn homosexuality, and really all sexuality. Paul is usually far more quoted than Jesus in most churches. Two weeks ago when I went to the Presbyterian church, they read 3 passages from scripture and all 3 were from Paul.

[annabanana]

39. .. never DID like Paul much..

authoritarian sob...

[Tesha]

45. Paul: Closet case. (NT)

[annabanana]

47. ha

[iconoclastic cat]

3. That line was planted by Satan to trick them.

[Sandpiper]

4. Not to mention, why do they observe a Sunday Sabbath?

Something that Jesus never did, nor instructed his disciples to do.

[Igel]

24. Bacchiocchi wrote a few books on that.

His was SDA.

Mostly politics and marketing; the early eastern church kept the sabbath, but even that portion of the church was riven by conflict--sabbath is too "Jewish"; Rome pushed for Sunday. Rome won.

[Arugula Latte]

5. Yeah, and Adam and Eve had two sons

Do fundies ever talk about how the rest of the human race came along?

Incest is a Biblical value, I guess.

[Sandpiper]

8. Also, if they looked at something offensive, did they rip their eyes out

As Jesus directed in the Sermon on the Mount?

[insanity]

29. Adam and Eve had more then two sons

After Cain slew Abel, Adam and Eve had another son (whose name slips my mind). However, the better question is, since Cain was cast out in the world, are we responsible for the sins of our earliest forefather? Do you think the fundies would like being called Children of Cain?

[FreedomAngel82]

32. Yep

Heh heh. I think a lot of them forget that as well.

[jokerman93]

34. well that's not exactly true either is it?

The Zohar, and the carefully preserved transmission of Oral Torah both state that Cain and Abel were men born to eve of the mixed seed of Nachash (Samael) and Adam - which is to say Eve was doing the nasty with 'em both! :evilgrin:

The true "child" of Adam and Eve was Seth, born when Adam was in his eighties (I think it is). Out of the line of Seth, came humans imbued with the breath of the Ruach Hachodesh (Holy Spirit), but there were also the "beasts of the field" who were men without souls - the human race is a vast tribal mix of these seeds. The bible thumpers only repeat children's stories they've heard at Sunday school. Christian "scholars" for the most part are only aware of interpretations of translations of translations and very few have ever studied Torah or the esoteric traditions of Judaism from which so much of christian doctrine was borrowed and forthwith bastardized - including the keeping of Sabbat.

I repeat this not because I'm a believer or a scholar, just a reader who's interested in mysticism, anthropology and religious history.

[nothometoday]

50. I'm offended....:)

Not becuase of what you said..I'm mad at myself because I never thought of that! A very "DUH" moment, To be sure. I am not much of a church goer...or apparently reader, Either.

[kweerwolf]

6. The don't care about Wal-mart being open on Sundays ...

... that's just more money they can take from the atheists, pagans, Jews, homos, and other assorted heathens who are bound for the fires of hell anyway. :evilgrin:

[Bernardo de La Paz]

7. The Leviticus book prohibits wearing clothing made from mixed fibers.

[pauldp]

10. From Numbers 15:32

32And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.

33And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.

34And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.

35And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.

36And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses.

Damm- stoned to death for picking up sticks!
I wonder what the penalty for helping customers in the electronics department is?

[Sandpiper]

15. They're also biblically obligated to kill their unruly children

Most of them are content with just beating their children. But they are clearly violating God's law by doing so.


Deuteronomy 21: 18-21

18 ¶ If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:

19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;

20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.

21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

[hfojvt]

42. that one Jesus did scoff at

his disciples were working on one Sabbath, and another time he healed a man's hand on the Sabbath right in front of a bunch of Pharisees. Matthew 12:10, Luke 14:3, Mark 3:2. and Luke 6:7.

[abluelady]

11. literal, bible-thumping RW Christians?

Isn't that an oxymoron?

[Connie_Corleone]

12. They say Jesus is LORD over the Sabbath.

RW Christians believe that their rest is "in Jesus".

Also, for the other laws in the Old Testament that are not moral laws, RW Christians believe that the ceremonial laws no longer apply because Jesus cancelled them out somehow. But the moral laws are still in effect. Or, some say that the ceremonial laws about what to wear and eat were for the Israelites only, in order to keep them separate from the evil pagan nations.

Neither explanation is reasonable, but that's why people leave fundamentalist "christianity".

[Az]

13. Complicate the matter further

The actual day of the sabbath has been confused as well. Sunday is the first day of the week, not the last. At least according to our current method of counting days.

[Bluzmann57]

17. Are you a Seventh Day Adventist?

I know a guy who is, and he will not work Saturday. He's even turned down some very good jobs because of his belief. Not criticizing, just commenting.

[Az]

21. Atheist

Just very familiar with the multitude of beliefs concerning the Sabbath.

[Not Me]

25. At least he's not a hypocrite

[Sandpiper]

20. Sunday is the day of Sol Invictus, Constantine's favorite deity

And he consequently made Sunday a "day of rest" throughout the empire in 321 CE.

Whether one believes in it or not, the bible makes it quite clear that the Sabbath is the seventh day of the week. No New Testament writer ever stated that the first day of the week was the new Sabbath.

[triguy46]

14. They don't...

You stated the qualifications, "literal, bible thumping", they would
love to reenact blue laws, forbid driving on Sunday, tv on sunday.
But they are just a small part of the right wing moral majority republican conspiracy. Others see no problem with spouting scripture and then ignoring it as long as it gets vote. There is consistency in their inconsistency.

[seabeyond]

16. i got to the point in judging gays as sinners..... god is omnipresent

god is all things. ergo, god is the gay. how does she reconcile.

her comment

i dont think that far

and she stopped. she refused. so how do they validate it, well i dont have the answers to all things.

take the bible literally you have to believe it is ok to rape and murder a woman without repercussion, or slavery is ok.

i have yet to get a reasonable answer

[Double T]

18. The religious hierarchy makes up the religious law to suit their needs....

and this has been true all during recorded history. Our 'show me the money' culture has also spilled over into religion where the 'Pray TV' evangelicals spend most of their time asking for donations 24/7. It's OK to work at Wal-Mart seven (7) days a week, as long as you donate to a religious group where you will be absolved.

[moobu2]

19. They pick and choose parts of the Bible, that’s all

[VaYallaDawg]

49. Exactly!

Follow your own conscience and stay the hell out of WalMart anyway!

[KharmaTrain]

22. Two Word: Prove It...End Of Discussion

When someone wants to discuss religion, I immediately put them on notice this is only done as a philospophical question...purely hypothteical...purely based on your feelings and not connected with fact. If the person agrees, we can have some enlightening discussions, if not, it's see ya.

One of my favorite questions is to an orthodox Jewish friend of mine. Here's the situation...he's driving home on a Friday evening...under Jewish law once the sun goes down and it reaches the sabbath, driving is considered labor and thus prohibited. So he's driving his nice Mercedes down the highway, gets stuck in a monster traffic accident and the sun goes down. Does he ditch the car? Watching the wheels turn is priceless.

[paula777]

23. Does this appear before or after it says women are property and

men can pretty much do whatever they want with thier property - lots of sheat in there that I don't understant how they square....

Genesis 3:16: Adam's role is to be Eve's master. The King James Version (KJV), New International Version (NIV), and Revised Standard Version (RSV) use the term "rule" to describe Adam's role over Eve: "...thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee." The Living Bible uses the term "master". The Modern Language Bible uses "dominate". By implication, all of their descendents are would have the same power imbalance between spouses.
A man could marry (literally "become the master of the woman") as often as he desired. In Genesis 4:19, Lamech became the first known polygamist when he took two wives. Subsequent men who took multiple wives included: Esau with 3 wives; Jacob: 2; Ashur: 2; Gideon: many; Elkanah: 2; David: many; Solomon: 700 wives of royal birth; Rehaboam: 3; Abijah: 14. Jehoram, Joash, Ahab, Jeholachin and Belshazzar also had multiple wives.
Genesis 16:2 : Sarah gave permission to her husband Abraham to engage in sexual intercourse with her maid, Hagar: "Sarai said unto Abram...I pray thee, go in unto my maid; it may be that I may obtain children by her." Presumably this was done without the consent of Hagar, who had such a low status in the society of the day that she was required to submit to multiple rapes at her owner's command.

[Igel]

26. The ones that actually make a claim to keep the law

go to church on Saturday.

Those that go to church on Sunday have no scriptural basis for their blue laws. And blue laws are damned irritating to those that *do* keep the sabbath. You can't shop Friday night, you can't shop Saturday, stores in many towns close early on Saturday, and then they're closed on Sunday.

There was a bit of confusion centuries ago as to 'sabbath' and 'Sunday'; hence some fundamentalist friends I once had were convinced that the Separatists (as the "Puritans" apparently preferred to be called) kept a Saturday sabbath.

[DanCa]

27. I had to to explain to a fundie what a metaphor was last night.

I belong to a music forum and the moderator asked us to put up recent songs that touched us. As a huge fan of the Boss I put up Jesus was an only son off of Devils and Dust.The line goes like this.

" Jesus was an only son as he walked up Calvalry Hill"
Anyhow the fundie goes off on me saying that me and Bruce should ride the bible any more and start quoting a family tree.

So I replied straight from the story tellers cd that Bruce said "while he had earthly brothers and sisters it was on that day he stood and faced a trail alone." it was a metaphor.

She writes back "What's a metaphor?"
How did these people manage to steal an election?

[gollygee]

28. My grandma would never shop on a Sunday

nor would she go out to eat or do anything else that required someone else to work.

She wanted me to mow her lawn for her at one point when I was in college. I was working two jobs (both part time but it was still a chunk of time) and in school full time and literally the only daylight time available to me was Sundays, and I was happy to do it then for her, but she ended up paying someone else to do it on a different day rather than having me do it for free for her on Sundays.

[FreedomAngel82]

30. That's the old testament hon

Christians don't follow it. We do think of it as more-so a history book of the faith then anything. My preacher very very rarely uses the old testament and if he does it's to reference back to something. Jesus didn't even work on the Sabbath. When he did a miracle on the Sabbath they tried to get him with that but he had a smart answer. Basically he said "why shouldn't you help someone on the Sabbath?" I'm pharaphasing here. There are some stores who still go by the law that you don't open until after 12pm est.

[FreedomAngel82]

33. I also wanted to add

that when at my church a family has a new baby the Elders give the familly a New Testament book. No old. We're Christians because we follow Jesus and Jesus isn't in the old testament except as a prophecy.

[Not Me]

41. "Christians" have no problem with the old testament

when it comes to bashing gays. (Leviticus)

[renie408]

48. Don't you mean that Christians follow it as it suits them?

Here is one of my large problems with many Christians. They take a 'buffet' approach to the Bible. They wander through and pick and choose which parts are to their taste. I have yet to find the verse which says, "Take unto you the bits of the Bible which suit you and discard those that don't.".

If Christians are supposed to be following the teachings of Christ, then why do some of them use the old testament to back up their homophobia? Because it suits them. Too many so-called Christians are hypocrites.

[DanCa]

37. But Preachers work on Sunday.....

hmmm bye bye Fred Phelps.

[Mr_Spock]

38. "must be put to death." "must be put to death." "must be put to death."

I love the Bible - it's got something for everyone :rofl:

[DanCa]

40. And pictures of

hot naked chicks with snakes and apples.

[Mr_Spock]

44. Oh, where can I get a copy of that version?

:D

[ComerPerro]

43. When I worked retail, I had a fundie attack me for working on Sunday

A manager overheard her, told her essentially that we don't need to take that kind of shit from customers, and, as a side note to the customer, added that he noticed that she was out and about, shopping for business supplies on a Sunday.

[porphyrian]

46. Chick-Fil-A is closed on Sundays.

For those of you who aren't familiar with Chick-Fil-A, it's a fast food chicken restaraunt (with mighty good chicken, I must say). The owner/founder is/was a serious Christian, so all franchises have to agree to be closed on Sundays. Other than that, they don't sell you Bibles or anything.