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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:18 PM
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AEI's Bill Schneider to Announce Bush Poll Numbers On CNN
Edited on Mon Sep-19-05 03:29 PM by oasis
Coming up next on Wolf's "Situation Room". Get ready for the spin cycle to be set in motion.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:20 PM
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1. They're Abominable
No way to spin it. Gallup had him at 46% last week, he's now at 40%. That's a PLUMMET! And it's POST Chimpy's "big" speech.
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:23 PM
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3. Not only that
His Iraq numbers are just awful, too - the worst I've ever seen.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:25 PM
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10. I Know, It's Unreal
The bottom is falling out...
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 04:05 PM
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40. They're NOT abominable. They're far too flattering!
Even at 40%, and allowing for a large number of sociopaths and imbeciles, they're four times as high as they should be.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 04:12 PM
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42. Bush at 10 %? America would have to look like a moonscape.
:scared:
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 04:23 PM
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43. True, But This IS Gallup!
For Gallup to release these numbers, it's gotta be really bad...
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:21 PM
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2. We'll see how hard he's whoring. If he cites Gallup, they're still
firmly in Bush's corner.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:24 PM
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8. CNN always uses Gallup...
The two companies partner in polling data. That's why you always hear abouta "CNN/Gallup" poll. That's not about to change.

Of course, Schneider managed to defend Bush by holding up the only number thateven remotely supports one of the president's views, the fact that 60% support Roberts' confirmation.
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:23 PM
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4. Schneider compared two term presidents at this point in the second term
reagan and clinton and (?) were at roughly 60%, while Johnson and Nixon were at 40-ish (33 for nixon)
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:24 PM
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6. 67% disapprove of Iraq war.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:35 PM
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19. Why do 67 percent hate America?
:eyes:
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:32 PM
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16. Love the comparison to Nixon
:evilgrin:
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:36 PM
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21. Me too!
:rofl:

I only wish that his numbers were actually lower than Nixon's.
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:39 PM
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26. Hey, maybe it'll happen
:)
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 06:25 PM
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46. Nixon was caught on tape.
Bush won't even email.
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Dulcinea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 06:28 PM
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47. Are you surprised? eom
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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:39 PM
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25. Clearly pointed out he was on par with ...
Johnson after the Summer from hell in Vietnam and Nixon (who was at 33%) at the height of Watergate.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:23 PM
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5. Anyone have a link to the accurate #'s so that I can write CNN to
correct them.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:25 PM
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9. Correct Them About What?
Cubed here...What did they say?
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:26 PM
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11. And while you're at it, bring this up ....
On CNN's Lou Dobbs Tonight, senior political analyst Bill Schneider falsely equated President Bush's current widespread unpopularity -- and that of President Reagan during the Iran-Contra scandal -- with President Clinton's standing with the public during the Monica Lewinsky matter. Noting that, despite his poor overall poll numbers, Bush still enjoys support from Republicans, Schneider said, "Sooner or later, every leader gets in trouble. President Reagan had Iran-Contra. President Clinton had Monica Lewinsky. Like Bush, they had a base that helped them get through it." But Schneider's suggestion that all three presidents had to rely on the support of their base during times of general public unhappiness with their performance is mistaken: While Reagan did see his approval ratings plummet to the low 40s during the Iran-Contra matter, Clinton saw no similar erosion of public support during the Lewinsky matter.

<snip>

As Schneider himself reported on the December 30, 1998, edition of CNN's Inside Politics:

SCHNEIDER: President Clinton's job ratings have been in the 60s for most of the year -- the highest ratings for any president on record in his sixth year. Clinton's ratings spiked three times this year: after the State of the Union speech in January and again in August just after his speech in which he confessed his, "misleading the American public for the past seven months." The president got his biggest bounce of all, a phenomenal 73 percent, after he got impeached in December. A few more setbacks like that and he'll go into the stratosphere.


<snip>

http://mediamatters.org/items/200509160003
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:32 PM
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14. yes
I was disgusted by Clinton's poor judgment in the Monica affair but still thought he did a great job as president. And I was absolutely more appalled and disgusted by the behavior of the witch hunting GOP than I was by ANYTHING Monica or Bill ever did.
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:35 PM
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20. Most of the public agreed with you
when it came to separating his personal misjudgment from his job performance.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 04:03 PM
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37. that is correct
the problem with bush inc's poor judgement is it gets people killed - DAILY
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 05:18 PM
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45. That's right. Clinton Lied, no one died. Bush Lied, THOUSANDS died!
Big difference. What Clinton did was just plain old STUPID! What the idiot has done is dangerous and deadly. And don't get me started on the witch hunt! That's why Bill was still high in the polls during that debale. The people were PISSED at the waste of $$$ and resources and TIME the GOP spent going after Bill. What the idiot has done is 100 times worse!
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DLnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:34 PM
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18. yes
http://www.pollingreport.com/

good link for many current and historical polls
try clicking on 'President Bush'
and then 'Job ratings'
or (same page) 'The Clinton Presidency'

It is very hard to find any Clinton job approval ratings lower than high 50's. The idea that B*sh is somehow more popular than Clinton was is UTTERLY BOGUS!

They show most major polls, but not all.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:24 PM
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7. Iraq approval 32% disapproval 67%
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:30 PM
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12. Did you hear Wolf Blitkreig mention Kerry and Edwards separate speeches
condemning B* Katrina response and administration? It was great that they mentioned it. There was an earlier DU post of Kerry's wonderful speech, and the fear was that the MSM wouldn't cover it. He used Kerry's quote ( one of many quotable quotes...the speech was replete with them) (paraphrasing) NOLA is to be turned into a RW laboratory! I'll find the actual quote and link to Kerry's speech.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:32 PM
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15. Missed it. I can't stand the steady stream of Wolf's monotoned propaganda
Edited on Mon Sep-19-05 03:38 PM by oasis
so I often change channels.

I did catch the debate between Wolfie and Ted Turner on North Korea.

Turner to Wolf: "Have you been to North Korea? You have to look into the eyes of these people."

Wolf: "Kim Jong Il is starving his people"

Ted: "They're thin because they use bicycles to get around".

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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:40 PM
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27. LOL! I missed that one. Is Ted right? How funny!..........n/t
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lachattefolle Donating Member (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:59 PM
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34. I hope Ted was kidding. I hate listening to Wolf, but Jack Cafferty
is getting pretty good at shining a light on Prezeldent Dumbshit these days.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 04:07 PM
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41. Ted was scolding Wolf for his chicken little comments on North Korea.
He wasn't making light of the plight of the North Korean people.
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lachattefolle Donating Member (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 05:12 PM
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44. Whew, I didn't think so, but I didn't hear this exchange, so thanks for
clarifying.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:33 PM
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17. "vast laboratory for right wing ideological experiments" - link here
<snip>

And the rush now to camouflage their misjudgments and inaction with money doesn’t mean they are suddenly listening. It's still politics as usual. The plan they’re designing for the Gulf Coast turns the region into a vast laboratory for right wing ideological experiments. They’re already talking about private school vouchers, abandonment of environmental regulations, abolition of wage standards, subsidies for big industries - and believe it or not yet another big round of tax cuts for the wealthiest among us!

<snip>

http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/speeches/spc_2005_09_19.html
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:44 PM
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30. Thanks you beat me to it!..n/t
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:39 PM
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24. wow - cnn mentions kerry or edwards
was it the sideways slam that cnn loves or the straight ahead mock
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 06:35 PM
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48. It must've killed Leslie to report that
he's such a Bush whore
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lachattefolle Donating Member (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:31 PM
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13. Jack Cafferty already mentioned how Rove, implicated in the Valerie
Plame outing, was not fired by Bush. I think Cafferty is coming more and more over to the side of the angels. Wish he could host The Situation Room instead of Leslie.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:52 PM
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33. tremendous rant by cafferty. write to him and thank him here
caffertyfile@cnn.com
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lachattefolle Donating Member (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 04:02 PM
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36. I just did, thanks for email addy.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 08:55 PM
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52. Is the rant online?
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:37 PM
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22. Wonderful! Bush now has my permission to campaign for 2006 candidates
I hope Chimpy has maximum exposure as he campaigns for each and every Republican candidate in 2006.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:43 PM
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29. The Newt Gingrich effect. In '96, Republicans who had earlier mugged
it up in photos with Newt, got them displayed in negative ads.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:47 PM
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31. lol - n/t
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:37 PM
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23. Here's Kerry's entire speech, and the quote I mentioned above, plus
another pertinent quote. The speech was excellent and is a must read!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4819246

"And the rush now to camouflage their misjudgments and inaction with money doesn’t mean they are suddenly listening. It's still politics as usual. The plan they’re designing for the Gulf Coast turns the region into a vast laboratory for right wing ideological experiments. They’re already talking about private school vouchers, abandonment of environmental regulations, abolition of wage standards, subsidies for big industries - and believe it or not yet another big round of tax cuts for the wealthiest among us!"

"And amazingly -- or perhaps not given who we’re dealing with -- this massive reconstruction project will be overseen not by a team of experienced city planners or developers, but according to the New York Times, by the Chief of Politics in the White House and Republican Party, none other than Karl Rove -- barring of course that he is indicted for "outing" an undercover CIA intelligence officer.

Katrina is a symbol of all this administration does and doesn't do. Michael Brown -- or Brownie as the President so famously thanked him for doing a heck of a job - Brownie is to Katrina what Paul Bremer is to peace in Iraq; what George Tenet is to slam dunk intelligence; what Paul Wolfowitz is to parades paved with flowers in Baghdad; what Dick Cheney is to visionary energy policy; what Donald Rumsfeld is to basic war planning; what Tom Delay is to ethics; and what George Bush is to “Mission Accomplished” and "Wanted Dead or Alive." The bottom line is simple: The "we'll do whatever it takes" administration doesn't have what it takes to get the job done."



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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 04:05 PM
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39. both barrels -- that's what i've been waiting for!!!!
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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 07:00 PM
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49. nice nt
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tgnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:42 PM
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28. 81% want independent commission on Katrina, not a congressional one
according to Schneider.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:50 PM
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32. That figure made my mouth drop. (eom)
:wow:
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 04:01 PM
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35. Ooh- looks like the public is not as stupid as they say we are, eh?
Sounds like people realize that a Republican congressional invesitigation would be nothing but a white wash. Makes you wonder about the reception of the 9-11 commission's report.
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DemsUnited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 04:05 PM
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38. That was my #1 favorite part of the entire poll. Maybe it will give Dems
some ammunition as they try to fight off the Repug whitewash.

GO NANCY PELOSI!!!
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 07:06 PM
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50. kick for the late crowd
Woo-hoo, by the way.:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 08:55 PM
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51. And kick
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