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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:39 PM
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I'm having second thoughts about certain left-wing radio personalities.
I stopped listening to Randi Rhodes some time ago because I couldn't stomach the way she treated her callers. Now I'm starting to think Mike Malloy is engendering hatred in his listeners. I know I was feeling it.

Mike Malloy is right on a lot of the issues, but he is full of hatred. He makes no bones about it: "Have I told you tonight how much I hate these people?" I thought hate radio was bad. :shrug: I ragged on Limbaugh listeners, yet thought listening to Mike spew hatred for the right was okey-dokey. I don't want to expose myself to that kind of thinking, to that kind of hypocrisy. Hate is poisonous.

So, do you agree? If not, why is Mike's hatred okay while Limbaugh's is not?
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:41 PM
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1. I far prefer the Jerry Springer approach
dems should be mensches.
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noahmijo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:41 PM
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2. Malloy doesn't lie that's a huge difference
Although sometimes I don't agree with everything he says he still makes me laugh too much to shut him off.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:41 PM
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3. Easy. Because Mike's hatred is based on the truth. n/t
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BulletproofLandshark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:42 PM
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4. Maybe Mike Malloy goes a little far sometimes
But his anger is certainly justified, in light of everything that's happened these past few years. But the biggest difference between the two is that Mike Malloy has respect for justice and truth. Rush Limbaugh
most certainly does not.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:44 PM
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10. Good points. What is the difference between anger and hatred?
When does one become the other? I think Mike has crossed over that line. I know I have when it comes to the shrub. I'm just not sure how to define hatred.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 09:25 PM
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45. Interesting question. Here's a shot at an answer:
Edited on Tue Sep-20-05 09:26 PM by Jackpine Radical
Anger tends to be directed at an action, and is a specific emotional state replete with certain specific neurotransmitters & hormones, etc. It should be temporary, & you get nto physiological difficulties when it lasts too long.

Hatred attaches to something more permanent than ager. You may hate the actor, etc. Hatred is not anger itself, but a propensity to anger. You hate a person, so you become angry whenever you see them.

We all get angry at times, some more than others. But people filled with hatred go through life with a permanent disposition toward anger. Many things make them angry. And note that peope often displace the anger onto targets that didn't deserve the anger. A guy gets ragged on by his boss so he comes home & kicks the cat.

And by the way, I have never been able to listen to the screamers on either side of the political fence. Somehow, I don't think the answer to rage is mre rage. Whenever people are filled with rage or fear, they behave irrationally. The ultimate answer is to teach people to deal with their emotions & stay rational. We live in a complex world that requires careful thought, not a jungle that requires quick action with a spear or club.

Edited to say I'm not really happy with this answer but will let it stand for the sake of discussion.
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:43 PM
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5. i so agree with you LadyHawk
it turns me off really quick. IMO all you do is empower your enemy with hate talk. i like to believe Democrats have more dignity than that. we need to bring more people onto our side to win in 06 and 08, and we're just pushing them away with that kind of speak
peace
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 10:22 PM
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52. I disagree
If that was the case, the democrats would be so empowered right now that we would be unstoppable.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:43 PM
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6. Rush lies. Randi and Mark tell the truth.
You can hate the sin and love the sinner
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:43 PM
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7. Fortnuately, Air America offers a lot of variety in style, and
so if a couple of hosts aren't your cup-of-tea, you might like a couple of their other hosts.

Do you like Al Franken's show?
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 11:45 PM
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59. I enjoy the Franken show the most
For one thing it's the most informative.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 12:53 AM
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77. Me too!
I love to watch him on Sundance. He has great guests..and his regulars, David Brock, Joe Conasen (so easy on the eyes), and others are FABU! He (Al) also picks apart the right so very well. They also have on great guests who are VERY knowledgeable and can break down the most complicated "plots" into easy to understand ideas.
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 02:37 AM
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88. I enjoy the great Thom Hartmann show...Knocks me out.
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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:43 PM
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I...er...ah...prefer...um ...ah...er...
...Al...uh...Al...um...Frank...uh..Franken...
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:43 PM
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8. How DARE YOU deviate from the groupthink!
Mods - ban her! - she's an independent thinker!

THIS MUST BE STOPPED!
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:53 PM
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26. Oh......
:puke:
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:44 PM
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9. Because Limboff, Pigman, Oxymoron....
...has no basis for his hatred. He has never felt the need for sacrifice, he has never suffered, he is the party frat boy serving the beer and being loud and obnoxious.

He is what Red America deserves.
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:45 PM
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11. each to their own. mike is my favorite. i know he feels it like i do.
there are plenty of other hosts for you to listen to, its ok for us to have different tastes and approaches.

the difference between mikes righteous anger and limbaughs sanctimonious lying is tremendous though and defies comparison.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:48 PM
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19. another huge difference - our troops don't have Malloy to hear
they only have the words of the great Limpballs. :puke: That is NO CHOICE. They can turn it off and listen to nothing but the sound of explosions, death and destruction instead. Some choice. :puke:
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 10:23 PM
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53. Mike is my favorite as well
I'm listening to him right now. Are you going to DC?
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WA98296 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:46 PM
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12. Hard not to "hate" an administration that has stolen democracy
Thank GOD that we have a voice on the airways.

My hat's off to them for trying to educate the masses, and how they can keep up the fight day in and day out is a wonderment.

Love you Randi -- Mike you Rock!
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:46 PM
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13. no one is forcing you to listen to Mike Malloy
If you don't like what Mike Malloy has to say, than find another channel. I find nothing offensive about him. I like him very much and have been a long time listener; way before the days of AirAmerica. :D

:kick:
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rwheeler31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:47 PM
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14. At least Mike and Randi
are honest about their feelings. They do not distort the news to prove their point. They will take responsibility when they are wrong. Very different from the lies on the right.
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SheWhoMustBeObeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:48 PM
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15. Malloy is so OTT he makes me laugh, but I just turned off Majority Report
after hearing Sam Seder and Bill Crowley describe Bill Clinton as a "Republican president." "Not bad for a Republican president," Seder said, and Crowley concurred.

Fuck. That. Shit.
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gasperc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:48 PM
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16. call Rush and see how you get treated
listen to the right and I think your change your thinking real quick. I turn the station when I don't like a caller or subject but I go back, I always go back because if we want the America that we grew up in, we have to FIGHT BACK, HARD.
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liberaliraqvet26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:48 PM
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17. there is something for everyone....
I personally like Ed Shultz the best. but every now and then I like the hate from mike malloy. randi I can do only for about 15 minutes.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:48 PM
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18. Mike Malloy doesn't lie. Rush Limbaugh does.
Rush Limbaugh appeals to racists, homophobes and sexists. Mike Malloy doesn't. I see a big difference. As far as hating the fourth reich bushbots, it's easy. If Mike wants to hate them it's all right with me. At least he's picking on people with lots of money, lots of military hardware and lot's of power. When Rush picks on people, it's those on the bottom of the influence scale who don't have much to defend themselves with let alone fight back.

As far as Randi yelling at her callers, I somewhat agree, but I think anyone who calls in has to expect it might happen. If you aren't ready for the heat stay out of the oven. I find that when she explains the issues and clarifies them it's very worth my time.

This is my two cents.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:52 PM
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25. yep repukes and claimed former repukes just love RUSH
Edited on Tue Sep-20-05 08:53 PM by CountAllVotes
:puke: I'm with Malloy all the way. I get a real good laugh out of him very often luckily. Offensive? Hell no! He is the best. He is after all the voice for many of us 'TRUTHSEEKERS'.

Pukes et al. can't stand that ... TRUTH. Former 'recovering' pukes can't stand it either as they never really recover from their ways IMO.

:dem: :kick:

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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:49 PM
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20. When your country is under attack - I think you are allowed to defend
yourself.

Nice try. But adults (Dems) fight using empathy & the truth. Oreilly is spreading it around that AAR is going down. It seems as soon as the Dems get up and running with the media that the right has used for decades - well we are just supposed to up and stop it.

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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 09:09 PM
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39. Empathy & Truth don't really square too well with Hatred. Reading this
thread one comes to the conclusion that Hatred is fine as long as it's directed at the right person for the right reason.

Well, I got news for you all...

Wallowing in Hatred simply adds to the pool of Hatred within OUR COLLECTIVE CONSCIOUSNESS.

You're either aware of this and working to transmute that Hatred or your're really just part of the problem.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 09:13 PM
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41. Dems hate the actions of the RW in the US. They don't attack the
person unless that person has put themselves on the line.

You can hate someone's actions if they are horrid. You can hate propaganda. You can hate lies. You can hate machines that make up lies.

Sorry - but as soon as Dems are all fired up it is "hatred". One set of rules for the RW... one set of rules for their enemies.

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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:50 PM
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21. why is Mike's hatred okay while Limbaugh's is not?
Well,for one thing we have had rightwing hate slammed in our face for what....12 or 15 years? Isn't it about time the left stood up to them and quit cowering down like a bunch of pussies? Damn,I am so tired of their shit. One time a few years back I stopped in this dollar store,and they had Limbaugh piped all through the store. I couldn't concentrate on what I went in there to buy I was so upset. He was blathering about Clinton's penis and Lewinsky's stained dress. Back then I was able to contain myself a little more than I can today but I did ask the cashier how she could work in there listening to that filth. She said it was really hard but it was what the manager wanted to listen to. I told her I would never be back in that store again,that I didn't think it was right for customers to have to deal with that garbage. So HELL YES....bring on the hate and slime for the other side and let them see how it feels! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
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riverwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:50 PM
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22. Mikes outrage is about KILLING
people. Limbaugh's blather is about nothing. My gawd, it's not Mikes anger that should be the question, but WHY everyone in this country is not just as outraged as he is, if not more. What he hates is the deaths and destruction of people, and of this country. If you don't get angry about that, then what, if anything is worth anger?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 09:08 PM
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37. So true, riverwalker!
Mike is the cutting edge of righteous anger!

limpbaugh has to lie to preach hate..if he told the truth then the repukes would hate him(or would they?)..I can't figure out brainwashees.
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:51 PM
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23. That's why there's a diversity of people on AAR
Edited on Tue Sep-20-05 08:52 PM by longship
I like Mike Malloy very much. I agree with you about Randi. I am concerned about her walking all over callers--even John Conyers--and putting words in their mouths. I still listen to her once in a while, though.

If there's a lesson in this it's that the Democratic Party is a big tent not a monolithic entity. People disagree on things. People have different tastes.

I love Mike Malloy's fire-breathing liberal ways. He says things which many of us are only thinking. It's a very good outlet because people get angry *with* him and that motivates some people politically, which is a very good thing IMHO. He's my favorite on AAR.

Morning Sedition is my second favorite. I podcast it every morning with my coffee. Good stuff. Marc and Mark make me laugh and that's good, too.

So I start my day laughing with Marc and Mark and I end my day by blasting off all my pent up anger with Mike. I sleep well and in peace.

Thanks Air America Radio!
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:52 PM
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24. righteous fury is ok with me!
It's the lies of the right that infuriate me..
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:53 PM
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27. Oh hell no.
He doesn't spout hatred to me. There are some things I don't agree with him on but all and all he tells it like it is in a thunderous way. And there is no way in hell you can compare Malloy with Rush.
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:55 PM
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28. I am finding that I am listening to Sam Seder more than anybody these
days....

He is smart, has a good deal of outrage in a controlled way, has good guests and really does an involving solo show. I don't miss Garofalo at all...I get used to Sam alone and when she comes back the show seems much more disjointed...

As much as I like Randi and Malloy, I have to take "vacations" from them...I'm on one now....
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 02:03 AM
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86. I've started listening to Sam Seder latelly, too.
His rants are quite imformative and I agree that his guests are good.

As much as I might agree with her, I have to question Janeane's judgment in psychoanalyzing whole swaths of the citizenry on the radio.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:58 PM
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29. Mike's Gotten Bitter
I started listening to him on WLS in the mid 90's...he took over from Jay Marvin who was very outspoken and all but socialistic in those days...when Mike came in, it was turning down the notch a bit. Mike was mad, but in a mellow way...he'd get angry, but it took a while for his fuse to burn to the point where he'd explode.

Over the years I've seen that change. I suggest much of it has to do with the frustration he's had to face in trying to stay on the air and keep his point of view out there and being heard. He's had to fight and still if fighting.

That said, I'm not into a lot of the strident stuff I hear Randi do. She'll get into a rant or cop an attitude and it sounds so closed-minded...this is the attitude I don't like about right wing hate radio.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:58 PM
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30. Maybe it's a guilty pleasure?
You have a good point, and I have to be in the right mood to listen to Malloy.

But when I'm in the mood, Malloy seems like he's channeling my anger, and it's a relief to know that there areotehrs out there who feel the same anger at these creeps.

Maybe it's like an exorcism?

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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:58 PM
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31. Maybe it's a guilty pleasure?
You have a good point, and I have to be in the right mood to listen to Malloy.

But when I'm in the mood, Malloy seems like he's channeling my anger, and it's a relief to know that there areotehrs out there who feel the same anger at these creeps.

Maybe it's like an exorcism?

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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:58 PM
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32. I dispise the whole format-- whether left wing or right wing....
I agree with you-- even when I agree with the host's politics, I find the format distasteful. It's hate radio, no matter who's side it's on, IMO.
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 09:02 PM
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33. Funny. When AAR Started I Preferred Franken/Unfiltered Approach
Edited on Tue Sep-20-05 09:06 PM by loindelrio
I have come around to prefer Malloy's show.

On Edit: Maybe it's just the frustation of seeing the country I love, my homeland, being destroyed by carpetbaggers.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 09:04 PM
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34. I like Malloy and Randi
Edited on Tue Sep-20-05 09:04 PM by EstimatedProphet
And both of them are full of hatred for what is going on in America. Sometimes I am too. There's a lot of us that are.

Limbaugh's hatred isn't good because it's faked. When he says "Folks I'm not making this up"-he is. In that respect he's redirecting the anger which could be used to hold those in power accountable towards those who are easy targets and convenient victims. The average guy who listens to Rush gets overwrought and furious, and takes it out on people that don't deserve it. It isn't anger or hatred that's causing that-it's misdirection.

The fact is, there is clearly a market for that kind of radio personality, and there has been one for some time now. We've had liberal personalities that ranted just like Rush, and they were quite popular. Our best bet for turning the ditto-heads away from Rush and his rancid spawn is to have rants of our own, that show that liberals don't all roll over and cry like we've been portrayed.
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KerryOn Donating Member (899 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 09:08 PM
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35. You re not alone....
I have never cared much for Randi Rhodes or Mike Malloy. The only talk show I like on AMR is Bid Ed (Ed Shultz.) He's the man!
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 09:08 PM
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36. It's commercial radio - sex and violence sells
I listen mostly to non-commercial radio.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 09:08 PM
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38. Hate radio is hate radio is hate radio
It's designed to get folks to come back the next day. They are red meat machines.

When I heard Mike was saying shit about Dems and Kerry in particular (and being a Kerry person, an identifiably wrong thing about Kerry) I lost some respect for the man. Can't remember what it was. I'd have to go into the Kerry group archives to find it.

And as he's not a Dem, he's not helping my cause all that much. So that's annoying as well.

I hear that Stephanie Miller is a good one to listen to, btw. Handles herself well without rudeness. Folks I know who can only take about an hour of Randi at a time like Stephanie a whole lot.

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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 09:10 PM
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40. So don't listen to Randi and Mike, listen to Thom Hartmann.
He's brilliant, soft spoken, and knows his history. He's now on AAR.

I myself love Randi's passion, and Mike is very honest about his particular style. He even says it in his promos, I'm the crazy one.

I hate the Bush crime family too, so it's fine with me, listening to Mike helps me vent a little bit, he gets crazy so I don't have to.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 01:54 AM
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83. like drinking beer with your three favorite profs
If there's anything like a Goldenboy of liberal media, it's Hartmann.

Absolutely brilliant and exceptionally well-informed.

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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 09:21 PM
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42. totally with you -- i couldn't care less that AAR went to XM cause
the majority of their stuff isn't progressive at all. it's just re-heated right wing radio with lefty issues.

randi treats her callers like children and malloy is just toxic. i don't want that vibe in my house. i feel like i need a shower after having him on for just one segment.

i'd much rather hear the crickets chirp while i READ the day's news. i'm pissed off enough. i want to channel that energy, not feed the beast.

you know what's sad is thom hartman is going down this road now too. he used to be wonderful.

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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 09:21 PM
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43. It's show business too
I don't have a problem with Limbaugh's hatred. What I have had a problem with over the years is the fact that right wing nuts like Limbaugh and his ilk have been the only voice and point of view on radio. I have had a problem with the fact that only certain ideas have been propagated on America's airwaves.

As far as Limbaugh, the WeinerMan, Insanity, et al. on the right or Ray Taliaferro, Mike Malloy, or Randi Rhodes on the left voicing their anger, I have no problem with it at all. When Ray Taliaferro refers almost nightly to "that little turd in the White House" I find it funny and I realize it's part of the act to keep listeners listening. I try to look past the show biz aspect of getting the listeners' blood up and examine the ideas. I like the fact that Air America now offers an alternative point of view.

My favorite two radio hosts in America are Bernie Ward on KGO and Ian Masters on Pacifica Radio. They have a way of keeping the audience interested by the sheer power of their ideas, without going overboard with the passion.
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dave502d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 09:24 PM
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44. I think the hate you talk about is just a small part of Mike's show.
I think mike is mad about what the neo cons our doing
to our country.He has a new baby and he would like to see
her grow up in the kind of country he did.When mike dose the
shows with the kids on you can see how big of heart he has.
So don't give up on mike.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 09:26 PM
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46. As Woody Guthrie once said...
Edited on Tue Sep-20-05 09:33 PM by ZombyWoof
"Right-wing, left-wing, chicken-wing, same thing."

Woody was an avowed leftist, but he knew the folly of ideology used as a bludgeoning propaganda tool that could do more harm to the cause than good.

I have several problems with talk radio on both sides, and it comes down to, "Can we not think for ourselves?"

Or:

"Must we be told what and how to think by some blowhard with a microphone?"

No, we must not. One of the Left's virtues is its resistance to mobthink. One of the Left's flaws is its resistance to mobthink. Hence, getting liberal radio off the ground took some time and effort.

One of the many reasons I scoff at conservatives is largely based on their mobthink mentality - and this comes to the fore when they turn on the radio and check their brains (as they were) at the door. Because this propaganda is effective on an impressionable segment of the populace, leftists observed this, and said "Hey! We should do the same thing!"

And hence, Air America was born.

Now, I understand the seductive power of left-wing talk radio. For the same reason we flock to DU, we seek like-minded people for shelter from the neocon storm.

We are angry, and seek catharsis.

But...

The old adage is correct: Two wrongs do not make a right. Anger is not the best currency to convey why our side is on the correct side of history. Reason and action are. Anger is a useful tool, but should not be the be-all and end-all or used to subvert reason, logic, or common sense. Anger should be used lightly, it is more powerful that way. Like a good spice, it is best used with subtlety.

I have to shake my head with sadness that many people use the false argument that "We're right, which makes our hatred okay!".

That is what the other side says - and neither side, in justifying hatred, ever makes a fact-based case transcending hate. If you cannot make your case with the facts, your case is not worth making. It becomes irrelevant whether you are left, right, or a chicken - when hatred is the basis of your philosophy.

When Malloy and his ilk use hatred as a the means to justify the ends, they are as ideologically and morally bankrupt as the Rush Limbaughs and Sean Hannitys of the world.

As the Mothers of Invention once implored us in the 1960's, "Kill Ugly Radio!"
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 12:29 AM
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66. Many folks on the right think they have the truth, too. I don't think
having "truth" justifies hatred.

Yes, we get angry. It's a natural emotion, but what do we do with that emotion? I believe I have, at times, let it fester WAY too much. Anger is a secondary emotion. It always follows a primary emotion, usually fear or pain. When someone wrongs us, we get angry.

I'm having a hard time deciding when anger turns into hatred. Anger can still be productive, but hatred is harmful, for sure.
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gort Donating Member (567 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 09:37 PM
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47. It not Hate, it's anger
We've all been beaten down by reich-wingers for so long it's like suffering from abused spousal syndrome.

Ed Schultz may be more you're cup of tea. He's paid to agree with everything the Vichy-Democrats tell him.

I'll take Randi's and Mike anger over that poser any day.

I can't take anymore of Al Franken's tune either. His show is music for somnambulists. Boring.
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Drewskie Donating Member (465 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 02:59 AM
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91. wrong
Before Schultz there was nothing... an alternative voice did not exist. I'll give the man kudos for being the first, as AAR started a few months after his launch. Schultz has spent more time lambasting Bush than anyone else. And is it a coincidence that Schultz is on close to 100% of AAR affiliates?... he blazed the trail. Certain hosts may be brighter.... doh!... but big ed has massive radio talent, and has done lots of damage to the Bush regime. Schultz, Bernie Ward, and Mike Malloy are the best I've heard over the last 2 years, but Schultz started it and many have copied him.
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Tower Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 09:43 PM
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48. I prefer Franken's approach, myself- but I really don't see a problem with
Rhodes or Malloy's style. Anger itself isn't a problem. Quite the contrary, in fact- these days it's a mark of sanity.

But there's a big difference between Hannity's anger and Malloy's. One is purely built on advancing lies and inconsistent, destructive ideology. The other is simply a response to that movement.
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morgan2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 09:48 PM
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49. if you're not angry about what the right is doing,
you're not paying attention. Although people should be angry, they should also be able to engage in rational level headed debates. That said I don't think a radio host stirring peoples anger is necessarily a bad thing. Anger is a great motivator, and people should be angry about injustices. The problem comes about when people stir the pot of irrational anger, such as racism or nationalism.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 10:24 PM
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54. It's not what Randi and Mike say about the right
it's what they say about our side that gets me sometimes.
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Jersey Ginny Donating Member (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 10:16 PM
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50. Mike and Randi reflect my "Id"
I do hate republicans and most of what they stand for. My family is mostly Repub, so I have to tolerate them, but honestly, I don't have any Repuke friends. I find them smug and selfish. I like to hear Mike and Randi b/c they are way more articulate than I am and also bolder. For me, listening to both of them is like standing behind the bully and feeling safe and energized as a result. I know they are fighting for me. Are the people behind the bully cowards? Yup, I'm a coward. I, like most of us, live in a rational and uptight world all day and it is great to get away from that and indulge in Id radio. If I were a selfish repuke I guess I'd like limpballs also. I'd like to think that I'm sane enough to seperate the entertainment that Mike and Randi offer from my real world interactions.
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 10:20 PM
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51. I like Mike Malloy and Randi Rhodes
And I appreciate their honesty. If they hate the administration, why should they pretend otherwise?

I hate the fuckers in the White House too and I have no problem admitting it.

And you ask why is Mike's hatred okay while Limbaugh's hate is not okay?

Well, I agree with Mike's hatred and I don't agree with limbaugh's hatred. That's not to say that limbaugh doesn't have the right to voice his ignorance on the radio. I just don't listen to it.

And I think you're way off comparing limbaugh to mike malloy. As far as I know, malloy is not a hypocrite. He doesn't bash drug users while he himself is strung out on Oxycontin.

So what if Randi and Mike Malloy are angry? Aren't you? It's not about peace, love and happiness. The Age of Aquarius died in 1969.

On that note, I really don't care much for Big Ed or Al Franken. They annoy me.
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 11:16 PM
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55. "I hate these people and so should you"
Those were Malloy's words just a few moments ago. I immediately thought of this thread.

I agree with Malloy. I'm not a hater, but I do hate this administration. How can anyone not hate them?

Florida 2001. Iraq. Katrina. "Mission Accomplished." WMDs., etc., etc., etc.

And that constant smirk.

Now he is ranting about the corporate media, how everything is owned by three companies. He's been saying for years and the country still hasn't woken up.

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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 11:22 PM
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56. Mike speaks for me. I HATE those people too! LOOK at what they have done
to our country. His anger and HATRED comes from an honest place. He's right to be angry. We should ALL be as angry and those people DESERVE to be hated. JMCPO. There's NO comparison to be made between Mally and Limpballs. Limpballs is a BLATANT LIAR who spews the RW talking points that KKKRove sends out DAILY.
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Fox Mulder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 11:34 PM
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57. Is it hatred or is it anger?
I say I hate someone/something when I'm angry, but I don't mean it. I say it because I'm angry.

But if it is hatred he's feeling, then I can kinda understand it. Republicans have done a lot of shit recently that deserves us to hate them, right?

To be honest, I don't hate them. I'm just really fucking pissed off at them right now. That's all.
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jayctravis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 11:43 PM
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58. They provide balance.
The far right wing has it's little knot of nutjobs. While I don't think that of Air America's hosts, somebody's got to rampage on our side.
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RepublicanElephant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 11:57 PM
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60. i think dems spend way too much time and energy trying to be...
...nice.

we're at war for the very survival of our democracy.

we can regain our good manners once we've regained our country.

if some are offended, i'm sorry.

war is dirty, vile, disgusting, and offensive.

but victory is sweet!

keep your eyes on the prize!
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Mabel Dodge Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 12:06 AM
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61. Amen Brother!!!!
Also there are some Dems out here who just don't relate to the NPR "soft tones"....I'm one of them.
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RepublicanElephant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 12:14 AM
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63. i'm a "sister"
:hi:
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Kralizec Donating Member (982 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 12:46 AM
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73. Bravo! Get your thick skin on people! If you can't handle this, then
you got a lot in store for you in the near future the way things are starting to look like in our country.
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Crazy Guggenheim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 12:50 AM
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75. Bravo!
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Norwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 12:13 AM
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62. I completely respect your opinion
Edited on Wed Sep-21-05 12:14 AM by socordsx
However, the reason we keep getting our teeth kicked in is because we're too nice. We need personalities like Mike and Randi and if they're not your cup of tea, then hey no biggie just turn the dial.

Whats the difference between Rush and Mike? Rush is a propagandist, Mike is an honest, pissed off american with a microphone.

I dont blame Mike for the passion and anger he expresses on his broadcasts at all. He is sick and tired of seeing whats happening to our country and angry because more people arent angry. He's angry at the lies, angry at the death, and angry at the corruption that is being done in our name. Mike has a radio show so what else is the man to do? To me he is like a breath of fresh air, a drop of sanity in a sea of madness. Its great hearing someone who isnt afraid to tell the truth and do it with some gusto.

I myself have two favorite liberal talk personalities, Stephanie Miller and Mike Malloy. Steph makes me laugh and Mike fires me up.

In any case, if we continue to roll over and take it from the right, we will continue to lose.
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yellowjacket7 Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 12:19 AM
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64. I tuned out of Randi and Malloy quite a while ago - To each his/her own
Randi was just too rude to her callers, and her constant interruption of her guests were freaking annoying.

Malloy - I tuned out because it was like listening to Savage...yeah, too much vitriol is counterproductive.
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nvliberal Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 12:21 AM
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65. It's not so much what Malloy says that's bad,
Edited on Wed Sep-21-05 12:36 AM by nvliberal
it's that he runs off at the mouth for almost three hours straight without much of any kind of feedback from callers.

If he were with KGO, he would NEVER be allowed to rant like that for that long. They'd can his ass.

Talk show hosts on that station, who are REAL talk show hosts, introduce issues for the first 15 or 20 minutes of the program (I am thinking Bernie Ward or Ray Taliaferro here), and then they go to phone calls.

They also have callers with opposing viewpoints, which keeps the hosts sharp. They HAVE to be sharp and informed to be able to talk and debate intelligently with their callers.

I think Malloy could handle a format like that, and he would probably be far more enjoyable than the same tired crap night after night he does now.

It's hard to be able to do what the veteran talk show hosts of KGO do, but it's easy as hell to bitch for three hours straight, five days a week.

I like him, but because of his rants, I like him only in small doses.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 12:37 AM
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67. Mike gets too angry for my taste so I only listen when I'm angry n/t
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Kralizec Donating Member (982 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 12:44 AM
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71. and how can you *not* always be angry, nowadays?
what's with all the soft stuff? This isn't the time.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 01:21 AM
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79. being angry all the time isn't good for me or my family...
soft hasn't anything to do with it.
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Kralizec Donating Member (982 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 01:39 PM
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95. I understand. But I simply asked *how* you couldn't always be angry?
I know what you mean, but I am always upset about what is going on but I don't go around beating people up or acting nasty to my friends and family. I hear ya, though.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 12:38 AM
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68. Ed Whatsisface is WAY conservative
and borderline RINO
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Drewskie Donating Member (465 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 03:09 AM
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92. AAR would not exist right now without him...
course... sounds like they might not be around much longer anyways.
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 12:42 AM
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69. Have you listened to Lizz Brown, Ladyhawk?
I started listening to her last week and think she's great. If you haven't heard her, download a show from www.whiterosesociety.org and try her out. A great mix of intelligence, anger and decency.
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Kralizec Donating Member (982 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 12:42 AM
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70. It's *exactly* because of his emotion he puts out there that I listen to
him. It's my opinion that not enough people are outraged as they should be as humans. Outrage! Shrub sold his soul a long time ago. I have no problem with hating him. Him and his cronies.

:mad:
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Crazy Guggenheim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 12:48 AM
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74. You hit it on the head ..........
"It's my opinion that not enough people are outraged as they should be as humans."

AS HUMAN'S!! We have lost that!!
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Crazy Guggenheim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 12:45 AM
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72. Sometimes I don't like the way Randi or Malloy talks to their
Edited on Thu Sep-22-05 12:46 AM by Crazy Guggenheim
listeners but,...... I am so glad we have people left of center that are like them. It's about time we have people who are not going to take this crap lying down.
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ladylibertee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 12:51 AM
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76. Good points...Even though I don't listen to radio programs and I
have no idea who Malloy is.I hope thats not bad.
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LuCifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 01:00 AM
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78. Here's my $0.02
Randi and Mike are the REAL DEAL! Radio PROS! And the more I've heard Franken, the more he seems to get that he's on RADIO and not on TV. (I mean, the skits are just WAY too much some times! OY OY OY SHOW, anyone?!) With radio pros on AAR (Randi, Mike, Laura, etc.) and the big names new to radio, who could be doing OTHER things ya know, like Franken, Jeanane (speaking of, Majority Report is #1 in NYC in it's time slot, so FUKU to you right wing crap radio!), Jerry, etc., will in the LONG run be a force to be reconed with. WHY DO YOU THINK THE RIGHTWING TURDS ARE FREAKING OUT LEFT AND RIGHT OVER AAR! "Liberals don't sell!" Uh huh, I see! So, why is it that AAR is on in NYC, LA, Chicago, Miami, San Fran, DC, Dallas, Philly, Boston, Cleveland, Detroit, Atlanta, Phoenix, San Deigo, Seattle, Portland, New Orleans (assuming the transmitter isn't under water...), Minneapolis, Cincy, Denver, San Antonio, Sacramento, and on and on and on the list goes, which, they started FROM NOTHING! "Pull yourself up from your bootstraps...but not if you am be one of them fagit commie pinko liberals at AAR!" And notice how many "RED" areas they're on the air in, and kicking ASS?! Odd ain't it! Maybe they aren't as RED as we have been lead to believe...so much the better!

Lu
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 01:22 AM
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80. I agree.
Clear headed thinking and good decision making are never fostered by immersion in hatred---just the opposite, actually.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 01:26 AM
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81. It's very easy to hate criminals who have murdered countless people
and are destroying our country.
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 01:51 AM
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82. I will NEVER, EVER, give up listening to Mike and Randi! They speak 4 me!
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 01:56 AM
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84. Mike & Randi are entertaining broadcasters with a command of the facts
And that is the difference.

Rush lies- Randi & Mike use facts.
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Zinfandel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 02:49 AM
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89. Only entertainers, as the the Pigman Limbaugh professes to be...
Edited on Thu Sep-22-05 03:03 AM by Zinfandel
So lighten up, right...as the pigman must agree...It's ONLY entertainment from the liberal point of view as well! So why do they hate it when the liberals do the same?

Correct?:eyes:
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nomatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 02:01 AM
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85. Pick 1. Any ONE. of this administrations policies
that's O.K. with you, and you don't really mind paying YOUR tax dollars for.

You are an american citizen, right?

I don't want to expose myself to that kind of thinking, to that kind of hypocrisy.

So don't. You have choices.

A. Keep your head in the sand.

B. You can sit there and say I don't want to hear about how bad it's going to be, I'm going to ride it out and do nothing cause it will be over in a while.

C.You can get agitated realizing one day their policies are going to take everything dear to you. (pollution, making your loved ones sick and no health care to pay for it or God forbid, you live in LA, etc.)

D. You can get mad as hell and say aloud I'm not going to take it (Libaugh B.S)anymore. You must be informed to be in this category.
They are masters of the spin. You've been lied to for a very long time. You should feel betrayed, angry, hateful. They are, after all sending people to their graves.

Hypocrisy? I think not.
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Zinfandel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 02:10 AM
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87. Let's hate and trash are own...What little media we have...Semantics, will
Edited on Thu Sep-22-05 03:00 AM by Zinfandel
always allow argument. Yes, aren't we liberal progressive's doing it all wrong...Please offer better my dear...Let's not listen to AAR, unless it becomes softer on the republicans...We must be the good guys? We must indeed be sweet and kind, (as they are to us)...Let's never speak the truth...

Randi... Cuz, it hurts the moderates ears...However, I'm all for that... But, because republicans "callers" need nice, nice, you know it...Get fucking real girl...or move over...I know I will see you on the 24th in San Francisco???

Please don't fret though, the liberals lose in the end...must make you happy, (poetic justice?)...cuz we are, oh so mean...They are after all, just fascist gentleman!

We should all be so ashamed...

:smoke:
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 02:54 AM
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90. sadly, the right projects themselves as though they are...
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 03:25 AM
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93. Mike Malloy is passionate about the truth... a quality that I appreciate.
There is much to appreciate about everyone on Air America, and I am thankful for every one of them. I may not agree w/100% of every thought expressed by each of them, but then the only person that I agree w/100% of the time is myself :D . That said, I appreciate their opinions, whether or not I agree w/them.

RW radio, on the other hand, is putrid nastiness based on lies, ignorance, bigotry, hatred, and evil... which speaks volumes of its audience.
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Zinfandel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 03:32 AM
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94. Listen for yourself...Right now, (to any on AAR, and more).
www.whiterosesociety.org

LISTEN! Now...
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