POLL: Was Cindy Sheehan wrong to criticize Hillary for supporting war?

[yurbud]

[ComerPerro]

1. Leaning between NO and MOOT, voted no

They did vote for it, yes.

But Bush would have had his war without their votes. Its not like it mattered.

[Melodybe]

2. Hell no, if the Democrats had a damn backbone in 2000 we would not be

in the master clusterfuck we are in now.

Yay Cindy, give'um hell!

[aquart]

3. Every good thing Schumer and Clinton do is tainted by that.

I was so shocked at the time. I still can't believe they bought that garbage.

Or that they thought they would look worse opposing than endorsing that obscenity. That's what I really find unforgivable. Their careers meant more than American lives.

[Bucky]

19. Nah. Every good thing stands alone on its merits. Every bad vote does too.

I expect expediency from politicians. You should too. The key is to make noise so that we are part of their equation as much as the assholes.

[shugh514]

4. Yes

only because Cindy's message should remain focused on speaking to *. Getting involved in debates with other politicians would be a distraction.

[longship]

5. No. Hillary is wrong to continue supporting the war.

I sometimes wish she would just retire, go away, or something.

[Salviati]

6. I remember watching Hillary Clintons speech on the IWR vote...

and how dissapointed I was, after making what I thought was a pretty good speech for someone who was laying down reasons why she was going to vote no, but then she concluded by pretty much saying, "In spite of all that I just said, I'm going to trust the president, and vote yes anyway." Very dissapointing to say the least.

[Pastiche423]

13. I listened to that speech on October 10, 2002

It had been a long day of speeches and my spirits were beginning to rise as I listened to her. Then came the end of her speech.

Never again will I support her. She showed her true colors that day and has continued to do so.

[Totally Committed]

7. I voted NO, but I also think it's moot... Hillary IS for the war.

I do, however, think the way Cindy did it was wrong. Calling out just one Senator for something almost all Senators support(ed) and still haven't disavowed or apologized for is unfair. I would also like to say that I especially disliked it because Bill O'Reilly said she should do it.

I say she should have called out each and every Senator who hasn't disavowed their IWR vote, and apologized to their constituents.

TC

[nevergiveup]

11. I voted "moot"

and totally agree. I think Cindy was most affective as a grieving mom demanding an explanation from the president. It was heart-felt...very real and she had Chimpy hiding all over the country. Calling out one Senator, and threatening her, makes little sense.

[wuushew]

8. Her position on Iran is hardly any better

contemplating pre-meditated murder based on the possibility of future events is never cool with me. :nuke:

MR. RUSSERT: But you would not rule out a military option?

SEN. CLINTON: Well, you know, Tim, I don't think that you either rule it in or rule it out. I think that, you know, depending upon circumstances, it's something that, you know, the American government would have to, you know, consider. But, for goodness sakes, I think we are a very long way from beginning to have that conversation, if we ever have to have it. But I don't believe in having any president of the United States or anybody, you know, in a position like Senator McCain and I in the United States Senate, you know, saying we would take anything off the table. But before we get to that question, let's try to, you know, deal with the many other possibilities.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7003226/

[yurbud]

15. Tim, if the Iranians don't surrender and back away from the oil...

we may have to crush the heads of their children and set their grandmothers on fire.

Did you know they treat gays badly? So we have to napalm the gay bashers--and the gays.

[Usrename]

9. Yes.

I just don't see what is acomplished. Cindy and Hillary have recognizable positions on the war. I can support both. Don't know if that makes me open minded or schizophrenic. I don't doubt that Hillary is pleased by Cindy's outspoken movement to end the war. This just blurs the lines a little further and lends much truth to the freeper argument that libruls have no message.

(If Hillary changes her position because Cindy called her out can I come back and change my vote? I would be wrong in that case.)

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

10. Hillary would make a great president...of a kennel club featuring poodles.

She's done the impossibe..giving politics a worse name than it already had.

[damntexdem]

12. No way. Let Hillary grow a spine.

At the moment, she's just any Dem jellyfish, flapping around the edges of Dubya's lagoon.

[WinkyDink]

14. Why pick on Hillary?

Stick with criticizing Republicans, Cindy.
Don't lose the Dems.

[yurbud]

16. Cindy was in NY. Also, lockstep approval of Dems won't make them

behave like our representatives.

You can't lose someone that you don't have.

[Bucky]

20. Because powerful people are trying to force Hillary on us as the nominee

I think it's a set up to make sure Dems lose in 2008. Not all Clinton supporters are turncoats, obviously. I think most are sincere. But the sincere ones are being pretty naive about who's electable on our side of the fence and the insincere Clinton supporters are playing them like cheap fiddles.

[yurbud]

28. or set up to win as a DLC candidate who screws us less brutally

than GOP and with more finesse.

It's like the difference between being killed by Dr. Kevorkian or Jeffrey Dahmer.

When Kevorkian does it, you last words are "thank you."

With Dahmer your last words are "Could you wait until I'm dead to start eating that?"

[cassiepriam]

17. Let Cindy say whatever she wants....

She earned the right when she buried her son.
And let the chips fall where they may....

[etherealtruth]

22. That's the way I see it ....

Ms. Sheehan "should" say whatever she chooses.

[bigwillq]

18. No.

Not wrong. Every DEM who voted for the war and has not yet stated publicly that they wish they hadn't voted that way should be ashamed.

It's ok to say you were wrong. I would respect you more.

[Pithy Cherub]

23. Right there with you. Dems who won't stand up and say "I was wrong"

don't have the leadership ability or capacity to support me and mine! Those Dems clearly don't need, want or value my support.

bigwillq, I will be right next to you! :patriot:

[bigwillq]

24. COOL!

Glad someone thinks that way.

I know some of the senators may think it looks bad to say they were wrong but what they're doing by saying nothing is worse.

[yurbud]

30. saying they were wrong opens up a whole different can of worms

Were they wrong to be fooled into thinking that Saddam Hussein had nuclear weapons and do something as stupid as using one on us or giving one to terrorists to use on us, knowing we have the ability to overwhelming retaliate and incinerate every square inch of Iraq? Would you want an elected official that naive and stupid, who couldn't even remember Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) from the Cold War (which in this case would just be SAD, Saddam Assured Destruction.

Or were they wrong to knowingly support Bush in his lies in the hopes that our oil companies could get their hands on Iraq's oil and they would use that to help us?

Or were they wrong to knowingly support Bush in his lies in hopes that we could stop Saddam and then Iran from trading oil in Euros instead of dollars, which will undermine our economy? Did they think doing this through war was better than diplomacy?

See, in the first scenario, they are too stupid to breathe without assistance, and in the other two, they are as bad as Bush.

So it's tough to go there.

But they should or we should vote their sorry asses out.

[iconoclastNYC]

21. Love of country comes before love of candidate, party. n/t

[Jamastiene]

25. A firm NO from this Hillary fan. As much as I like Hillary,

Cindy Sheehan has every right to speak her mind. And I agree with her that Hillary should not have given Bush the license to do as he pleases. IMHO, that is akin to Germans supporting Hitler just because he was chancellor. It is not wise to blindly support someone like him.

[yurbud]

29. Like that article on the front page said "Grow a spine or resign"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/05/09/21_dear.html

[DemGirl7]

26. No

I used to be a Hillary fan a couple of years ago, but The vote for the Iraq war was one of the many votes that have led me to lose much respect for Hillary.

[leetrisck]

27. No, she can criticize Hillary or anyone

but it's causing her to lose steam - remember "I am your Commander in Chief" - he did it - stay with her cause - don't get sidetracked.

[Left Is Write]

31. No. Why would that be wrong of her?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

32. I trust Hillary as far as one can through her. I will never vote for her

again.

[Fox Mulder]

33. Of course she wasn't.