Malloy Just Blasted Kerry and Clinton

[rsmith6621]

(Them speaking)
Kerry........War Protest....what war protest got to go....

Esentially saying they to are not standing up against the lie in Iraq.

[benburch]

1. And he is 100% correct on that.

And he might as well get it said now.

[blm]

56. No. The day Malloy controls the antiwar protest making certain it is JUST

an antiwar protest, more lawmakers will show up.

While I support the antiwar protests and Cindy and all DUers marching, the simple TRUTH is that the media will be concentrating on the PERIPHERAL acts that have nothing to do with being antiwar, and in fact, are dangerously close to endorsing the destruction of Israel and other outlandish sentiments. None of those marchers (except possibly Cindy) will have over 10 million dollars of ads run against them linking them with the truly most radical groups there.

Make it a REAL antiwar protest.

Like Kerry did with VVAW.

I dare Malloy to speak to THAT truth.

[MadHound]

60. Excuse me, but how much more "real" could it be?

I was around for the Vietnam protests, and even back then the media liked to focus on the "peripheral acts" in order to discredit the entire anti-war movement. It is a well used page in their playbook.

This is a REAL anti-war protest, about as real as one could get. And yes, every single Democratic person in Congress should be there. Instead, the vast majority of them are still suffering from a lack of a spine and are going to stay away in droves. Malloy has every right to criticize Kerry and Clinton, and is correct to do so.

Kerry needs to rediscover the man that he was thirty five years ago instead of being content to be a well paid corporate whore.

[blm]

63. Real as in ONLY ONE MESSAGE.

And you and Malloy can show all the bravado you want but neither of you are still addressing the FACT that Kerry's antiwar protest WORKED because they didn't allow the message to be diluted with the peripheral acts.


Look how Cindy had to battle the absurd anti-Israel smear of her.

We owed it to Cindy and the antiwar message to make this march all about that message and HER cause....her ONLY cause.

[MadHound]

67. Go read your history, or talk to somebody that was there

During every single one of the Vietnam protests, there was never, ever that mythical "one single message" that you speak of. Each and every single anti-war protest during Vietnam, including Kerry's, had other people, with other messages, in the mix. And while the overall message, which got through loud and clear, was anti-war, other messages were there. I know, I was there.

[blm]

69. You were at VVAW in DC? All the footage I saw from it never showed any

other group. Possibly they were not in view of the media and noone bothered with them at the time. (And I am quite certain I don't need schooling in history.)

I really don't recall you ever saying you were at Kerry's VVAW protest in the past, while some DUers were definitely there and have mentioned its impact on them.

Anyway.....Maybe NOW the GOP has learned to USE the other groups better as the distracting force and have improved their hold on the media and its focus since then so they can more readily succeed.

[benburch]

70. He already did speak that truth.

You were not paying attention for the last 12 months or so.

He has roundly criticized the fuzzy focus of these rallies.

[blm]

74. The truth being that a lawmaker should not be at a rally that has lost

control of its focus.

If Malloy truly understood it he wouldn't be dumping on them now.

You can't understand your own arguments against the protest and then complain if politicians feel the same way you do.

Sorry, but Malloy is showing a total disconnect there.

If he thought it through he would realize that he, Malloy, doesn't have to deal with 10million dollars worth of ads decrying his support for the destruction of Israel.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

2. Good. I'm glad he did.

[FreedomAngel82]

3. Didn't he get Fiengold too?

I'm surprised actually no senators are showing up. What about Kennedy?

[Crazy Guggenheim]

4. As far as I know none of them.

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[LittleClarkie]

7. And replace them with...?

Who?

[Crazy Guggenheim]

8. LC. They'll get put on notice that their jobs are in danger and

we've had enough.

[Beam Me Up]

10. Damn good question.

This is why I think we are truly f*cked.

[JohnyCanuck]

15. Do you get the feeling they all share the same bed?

Yes, see this thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4852351&mesg_id=4852351

[JNelson6563]

44. Yeah, fucking brilliant

got some alternatives lined up?

Geez the idiocy around here gets on my nerves lately.....

[BuyingThyme]

6. Go Mike!

[zulchzulu]

9. Doing the work for KKKarl Rove...

Malloy is full of shit on some things and his Democrat Party bashing makes me think he gets some dough from the Turdman sometimes...

Who would want to be tied to A.N.S.W.E.R. anyway? They suck. I've been to many peace rallies where they sponsor them and they tend to just get into Israel bashing...it always turns into a stereotypical sideshow that make perfect propaganda for Faux Snooze and the other assholes...

Warts...no thanks.

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[zulchzulu]

12. Oooh...creative....

Are you bashing Dean too? He's not going either...

[LittleClarkie]

14. Oh goodie

"If you disagree, you must be a DLCer."

suspiciously like

"If you disagree, you must be UnAmerican."

Might we disagree with St. Michael, or is he sitting on his throne, holding his rod and scepter, thereby rendering him infallable in his "truth"?

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[FreedomAngel82]

32. Here's what I got from it

Malloy is just as frustrated and upset about everything as I think all of us are. We know Bush and the republicans are wrong and they're not doing anything about it. They see the polls just like we do. They know where the public stands. Remember when Ted Kennedy and Dick Durbin both spoke their mind? Kennedy got called a few names and Durbin ended up apologizing (I don't think Kennedy did). I think the idea I get from Malloy is how they see everything like we do but not one damn one of them who has any type of power are acting like democrats. Not like the party of FDR, the Kennedy's, Jimmy Carter and Al Gore. They're all being wimps and they know damn well the tide is turning. Who in the senate and congress is showing up for the march? Only Conyers and McKinney. This march has been planned for a while and they could at least show up or make a supportive statement instead of telling where they'd be. Instead of doing like Hillary and calling for more troops we all should be out screaming and showing how Bush lied to get us to war and killed thousands of people! All these "Christians" who support Bush should be upset at the killing of thousands! In my Bible Jesus Christ was asked what the greatest commandment was. He replied there are two: love the Lord thy God with all thy heart and soul and the second one is just like it love thy neighbor as yourself. They claim to worship God and to believe in Christ's message. Where how the hell can they if they are pro-war and he was the Prince of Peace? I can't believe Dean isn't screaming about this either. And I think he should be since he's the parties leader! During his campaign he was anti-war and all that and then he became the chairman and he was still anti-war but wanted to stay and finish the job. Hello! VIETNAM!!!!! It's the same damn shit!
The only person who has screamed about this has been Al Gore. I think that is what Malloy is upset about as am I. I think the only way to get the true democratic party back is by replacing those who have been very very republican and put them with progressive's. You have to vote smart and research a person. Don't just vote cause they have a (d) after their name. The only people who have stud up for this country has been the Black Cacus and people like Kucinich and McDermott.

[ladylibertee]

36. I have to agree with you.Let's just chill people.Deep Breaths c'mon

[never_get_over_it]

19. Malloy's feelings about the Dems goes way deeper

than them attending a rally - that is just the focus tonight because it is coming up in a couple of days....he is disgusted as are many of us that these folks won't stand up and fight against this atrocity in Iraq...

[nvliberal]

26. He reminds me of the WSWS.

That political outfit is fringe left, of course, and they have a vested interest in trashing Democrats.

But I hate to say it, but taking his toys and going home and bellyaching about leaving the Democratic Party doesn't do squat in solving problems. If anything, he's helping the other side.

If he's quit the Democratic Party, the only REAL option liberals and progressives have in a two-party system, then he has no right to bitch. He's just like those who don't vote.

[LittleClarkie]

28. I'm not entirely sure he'd notice

if they did.

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[LittleClarkie]

29. No, I don't think he's a shill for Turdblossom,

but he's not a Dem either.

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[zulchzulu]

54. So has Kerry NOT spoken out against the way the war was handled?

I'd be glad to give you at least 50 links to speeches, video and sound files and other statements where he has stated unequivocally that the war is a disaster that was woefully ill-planned and completely mismanaged...

He has hardly been silent.

As for Malloy, whenever he goes into a tirade saying that all Democrats are just as bad as Repugs and that the Democratic Party is "not worth a dime", he's doing Karl's bidding as far as I'm concerned.

[lateo]

57. Talk is cheap.

I'm tired of Democrats giving lip service to how bad the war has been managed. It is time for them to come out and say the war needs to be OVER.

[karynnj]

58. Read your own post

you say talk is cheap then recommend they they say the war needs to be over. (which is also just talk) So, talk is not the problem, your disagreement is on what is said.

I would assume that the reason people like Kerry, Kennedy, Clark, Feingold etc have suggested either pullout deadlines (conditions permitting) or recommendations or logical steps to get out may be to provide alternatives, parts of which might be taken up by the more reasonable Republicans. We are not in power - so that is all we can do at this point. It would be good if we had some position that most or all Democrats can agree with that differs from Bush. At this point, saying withdraw now isn't the position of most of the party.

I resent that people question the motives of people who have been on our side for decades, rather than simply dispute their recommendations. Look at their plans, No one is saying pull out now. What may be the best discriminant is whether they foresee a long term US military presence. Kerry, Kennedy, Clark (I think) and Feingold all don't. Bush doesn't tell us his plan, but his actions show he does. I think McCain does as well.

If all (or Most)Democrats believe this, this might be the best we have for a party view. It's not trivial, because it points to a completely different view of our role in the world.

[mattclearing]

59. Democrat is not an adjective.

The preferred term of actual Democrats is Democratic.

[WildEyedLiberal]

13. Why the fuck would US Senators attend an ANSWER rally

...Complete with anti-Israel and all other sorts of fringe element shit? I'm sorry, Malloy is a tool, and I'm not so sure zulchzulu isn't right. It's a known fact that the GOP pays operatives to infiltrate left-wing causes with the express intent of making them look idiotic, out of the mainstream, and in some cases incite violence. Democratic Senators don't belong at this rally. It is not affiliated with the party, and showing up and shaking hands at a rally doesn't mean shit anyway. I repeat, Malloy is a tool.

[LittleClarkie]

16. Sorta like showing up at Justice Sunday on the other side

It just don't look right.

It does increasingly sound like ANSWER might have some 'splainin' to do.

[springhill]

22. Give me a break...........

He is no more a tool than I am. He's saying what I've slowly come to realize but have been too afraid to admit; the democratic party is not looking out for the ordinary people anymore. They just aren't. There is no oppositon. And I have come to believe that is because they are as corrupt as the Republican party. We are just living in one big swamp of a mess. And I only wish I had the guts to verbalize the way that he does.

[WildEyedLiberal]

24. Sorry, I think Malloy's a tool

It's stupid of him to expect any prominent Dems at this rally. It would be akin to Frist showing up at Justice Sunday, as LittleClarkie pointed out. This may be a left-wing rally, but it's wholly unaffiliated with the Democratic Party. There's no reason for them to be there. Also, did Malloy call out Dean, or just Kerry and Clinton? Dean has no plans to show up, either, so is Malloy criticizing ALL major Dems, or just the ones he's decided he needs to work against? Not that I want Dean at the rally, either; I don't think any of our Dems belong there.

I'm sorry you believe the dime's worth of difference crap Malloy spews. If you really don't think Kerry or Gore (or hell, any other Dem) would've handled everything from 9/11 to Katrina differently than Bush, then you're severely mistaken.

[bpilgrim]

37. I think John F. Kerry is a 'TOOL'

and the rest of our 'leaders'

Who is More Pathetic: The Media or the Democrats?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20050921/cm_huffpost/007657

the DEMS who get paid to be the OPPOSITION party yet can't muster enough energy to resist the most corrupt right wing wacko admin in our short history, wtf is the matter with them :shrug:

peace

[LittleClarkie]

42. Well, let's hope he's a monkeywrench then

so he can muck up the Chimpworks.

[Mandate My Ass]

61. LOL, best post on this thread

:D

[springhill]

62. I didn't say that...................

What I am saying is that they are doing a poor piss job of looking out and fighting for the interests of the average American citizen. And Mike is also saying that. He supports individual democrats but not the party as a whole. I think he made that pretty clear.

[confludemocrat]

66. So anti-war rally is equated to "justice sunday"??you should be ashamed

what an incredible remark. A rally to support an end to an illegal, lie-based, attrocious war is equated with this justice sunday thing? Is that some kind of liberal objectiveness? From a "wild-eyed" liberal.

[karynnj]

72. Is it really a rally to end the war WITH NO OTHER agenda?

It's part of the rest of the agenda that cloud the issue.

[FreedomAngel82]

33. I think what it is

is they've lost their spine. They're too comfortable just not fighting. I want someone who really cares and will fight for me. I think the democratic party needs to find itself again.

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[w13rd0]

18. Gottta say...

...Democratic representatives don't need to go to this rally. Those that really want to, should, and there are some. But seriously, I don't put much stock in protests since the last "big one" was totally glossed over by the media, and did, in places, devolve into a sideshow that wouldn't be appropriate for elected representatives.

This government doesn't give a shit about "focus groups". Unless those marching plan to pull an anti-Milosevic move, and actually force BushCo out of office, it will impact very little. Yes, voices will be heard, but it's more important, in my opinion, that we make our voices heard at home, at work, in our local media.

No one who is pro-war is going to be converted due to a protest march that will most certainly be downplayed and marginalized by the corpomedia (and some of the attendees).

[rsmith6621]

21. Let Just Wave the White Flag.

Quote......"...Democratic representatives don't need to go to this rally. Those that really want to, should, and there are some. But seriously, I don't put much stock in protests since the last "big one" was totally glossed over by the media, and did, in places, devolve into a sideshow that wouldn't be appropriate for elected representatives.

This government doesn't give a shit about "focus groups". Unless those marching plan to pull an anti-Milosevic move, and actually force BushCo out of office, it will impact very little. Yes, voices will be heard, but it's more important, in my opinion, that we make our voices heard at home, at work, in our local media.

No one who is pro-war is going to be converted due to a protest march that will most certainly be downplayed and marginalized by the corpomedia (and some of the attendees).


Ah Hell.........Lets just sit on our hands and do nothing....Casey Sheehan thanks you for your support.

[mntleo2]

35. I Don't Know If This Helps But...

Just because they ignore you does not matter.

One time my teenage son, who was angry at me for something else said, "You know Mom, when you speak to those legislators, and when you speak at those protests, and you go to those marches, nobody CARES what you have to say, because we are nobodies. We are poor. They don't give a sh** about us!"

I thought about that because he had good point, like you do...and then said to him, "You know Son, you are right about those politicians and people in power not listening to what I have to say, it is true. But if they do not listen, that is not my problem. The truth IS my problem and if I do not tell the people who need to hear it what is real, I am not being a true American. I am glad you see them for what they are. I hope they will hear, but that is not why I go to speak. I go to speak my heart and mind. The most important thing to me is that I have something to say that is the Truth and so I look them in the eye and I say it!

He has been supporting me ever since...

Cat In Seattle

[BrewerJohn]

23. It goes far beyond whether any of them will attend the protest

which is just a tiny piece of the fact that almost none of them will put up more than the smallest token of opposition to this obscenity in Iraq. Thereby assuring that it will continue for the forseeable future, or until America utterly collapses, the latter of which is looking more likely every day.

To hell with these people. We need new, grassroots candidates who will represent the majority of us who are still sane. Throw the incumbents out. All of them, except for the very few who get it.

[nvliberal]

25. Whenever Malloy does that, I shut him off.

We have enough problems in this country without so-called liberals badmouthing Democrats every chance they get.

All Malloy is doing is helping the Republicans, which of course helps his career more, for if Democrats had the power, he wouldn't be bitching so much, and nobody would listen to him, and he would have to go back to writing for CNN or some other media whore outfit.

[omega minimo]

27. Anyone wonder what they're REALLY afraid of?

[saracat]

30. Nonsense. Kennedy and the others who voted AGAINST the war aren't going

either. Neither is Dean, who said exactly the same thing as Kerry but never had a vote. Personally, I would like to see them all attend the march, but it doesn't mean they are not standing up to the lies about Iraq. Kerry and Kennedy have been speaking out. Hillary has also spoken out recently.There are other ways to stand up against this Adm and the war than marching. I can't go to DC either and I speak out against the war.I have learned to really dislike Malloy. He criticizes but never offers any solutions. All he does is badmouth Dems. He is a liberal Rush limpballs.

[bpilgrim]

39. part of the 'image' problem

anyone who isn't OUTRAGED by this admin and the capitulation by MOST dem leaders to these FASCIST are not on america's side.

peace

[LSK]

31. i wouldnt expect them to be there

The protest is a showing of the people for the politicians to take notice of what we have to say. I wasnt even expecting any major politicians to be there. I was hoping it would influence a lot of them thou.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

38. When he said that "Dean is not a Democrat!" I turned him off.

[bluestateguy]

34. Is there any Democrat Malloy actually likes?

This guy is like a high-maintenance girlfriend.

[zulchzulu]

46. Malloy doesn't actually understand politics

As much as I like to listen to him, I think he is part of a problem that exists concerning the complexity of politics.

It's always about the "purity". Even if a politician is rated 100% by many of what he or others find important on issues, if he strays or nuances beyond simple chest-beating, he's a sellout...a traitor...blah blah blah.

It's as though if he had an A student kid that got a B, the kid would be thrown out of the house. It's pretty childish, but then again, most people are childish...

[ConsAreLiars]

40. Mike is dead on.

If those "Democrats" won't stand up against a war of aggression and occupation, if they ally themselves with PNAC and the corporatist agenda, then they are scum. "Practical politics" and catering to their big money backers makes them as guilty as those who actively are driving the war machine.

They may just be "waiting for the right time" to tell the truth about what is happening to this country and this planet, but that time passed long ago. Kerry had his chance to tell the truth, and instead he evaded and dodged. For all practical purposes, he endorsed to global capitalist agenda and the military action in Iraq, and just whined about the details. I had hoped for better, but he betrayed us all.

[earth mom]

45. Well said! I agree 100% eom

[Crazy Guggenheim]

41. Has anyone seen this from the front page?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/05/09/21_dear.html

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[confludemocrat]

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[OmmmSweetOmmm]

49. Mike is right! Period. nt

[SaveElmer]

51. Malloy is a loudmouth idiot!!!

I stopped listening to him months ago...

[jmatthan]

52. Mike will not miss you!!

eom

[SaveElmer]

55. Good...I could care less...

What he has to say is useless blather. I don;t go to AAR to listen to loudmouths spend as much time trashing my side as the others...I can listen to Rush and Hannity if I want that kind of programming!!

[stepnw1f]

53. Some Things Need to Be Said

Even if they hurt. What we need to do is pressure these folks to represent US. I don't dislike Clinton or Kerry, just a bit disappointed.

[confludemocrat]

65. Kerry and Clinton have "spoken out on Iraq"? Yeah, sure. Not worth a damn.

Their talk is fainthearted and wishy-washy. If they say anything at all (they never do without prodding by public pressure (what kind of leadership is that?) the real problem they refuse to face: the war is illegal, and criminal and you better face it in some way or you will lose in 2006 and 2008!

No one is buying the Kerry "we could do it better" line, it was a big loser besides being bankruptly wrong.

68. I tried listening to Malloy but

it is the same act every night. He starts out relatively cool, then jumps into high gear ranting mode. It sure would be nice if AAR had some highly intelligent people who could critique things without all this sarcasm. NPR always sounds like they have taken "happy pills" for the day. I am turning to blogs for the low-down.

[zulchzulu]

71. I think Malloy is confused about what his message really should be

At one point, he's saying we need to get rid of Bush. Then he trashes the entire Democratic Party (using factually sordid ramblings)...then he's back to hating Bush again...then he attacks Democrats again...

I think his staff are too mush-minded on old Pink Floyd stuff to do any research for him. His show can be skipped for days and you can then find him on the same track as I mentioned in the first paragraph.

Tonight (if he's live), he'll do some stuff on Bush being a weenie and then start trashing Democrats. Rinse and repeat until the show ends somewhat calmly...

I enjoy listening to him in the background where I don't really hear what he's actually saying...I've heard his schtick before...

As for him praising Kucinich last night (and saying that Kerry and Dean couldn't fit in Dennis' jockstrap), he failed to mention recent news that Kucinich doesn't want to impeach Bush...

As for the march and that most Dem leaders will not speak there, he hasn't a clue apparently about how the march is sponsored by ANSWER...way too much of a trap to walk into for the MSM to entrap with...

[Andromeda]

73. What else is new?

Bashing Democrats is what Malloy does best.

Just like here on DU.