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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 06:57 PM
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Poll question: What will it take to have the US sign the Kyoto Global Warming Treaty?
The US and Australia are the only two nations to reject the Kyoto Global Warming treaty.



What will it take to have the US sign the Kyoto Global Warming Treaty?


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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 07:00 PM
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1. They (the countries that have already signed it)
must apologize to us. For acting sooooo superior and shaking their heads at us. This is all their fault and they have to acknowledge it if they want us to cooperate.
Then we'll sign it. Maybe.
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cire4 Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 07:06 PM
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2. As soon as politicians are no longer beholden to corporate lobbyists
Right now, Washington's main job is to protect the profits of American corporations. The environment can go screw itself.
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 07:06 PM
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3. A Democrat in the White House n/t
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 07:08 PM
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5. That is precisely what I was going to say.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 07:06 PM
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4. How about as soon as...........
we can manage to elect a Democratic administration that doesn't have it's head up the corporate butt of America's Oil Companies, and we have managed to purge the rest of the corporatist Senators and Congresspeople of the DLC persuasion (we might even control both houses and the WH by then!)

I'd say in the next 10 years oughtta do it.

We should be ashamed we are not on that treaty NOW.

TC

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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 07:09 PM
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6. Bush declared Emperor of the Earth. nt
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 07:12 PM
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7. I think a lot of people will take global warming more seriously now
even if these stronger hurricanes are not 100% due to global warming. It will be the job of people like us to get information on the Kyoto Protocol out there. Many people I know have never heard of it, and I've recently educated them, and they are pissed. If we spread the word then the people will MAKE it get signed and ratified.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 07:15 PM
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8. the 11 western states break under extreme non-stop drought
maybe losing half the country will do it
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left hand man Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 07:38 PM
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9. My understanding of the treaty
It will restrict our output of pollutants(good) while allowing increased pollution (bad) by third world countries to "make up" for their desire to get up to our standard of living.Ted Kennedy voted against Koyto,which says something about the impact on our economy.
the treaty should reduce pollution worldwide,not just on our continent.
MY RANT, my .02 worth. Peace out,love y'all
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 07:40 PM
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10. what difference does it make
i thought they just released a paper that it's too late, we're past the point of no return

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enigma000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 08:30 PM
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11. Never
On June 25, 1997, before the Kyoto Protocol was to be negotiated, the U.S. Senate unanimously passed by a 95-0 vote the Byrd-Hagel Resolution (S. Res. 98), which stated the sense of the Senate was that the United States should not be a signatory to any protocol that did not include binding targets and timetables for developing as well as industrialized nations or "would result in serious harm to the economy of the United States".

On November 12, 1998, Vice President Al Gore symbolically signed the protocol. Fully aware of the Senate's view of the protocol, the Clinton Administration would never submit the protocol for ratification.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyoto_Protocol#Position_of_the_United_States

If the Senate voted 95-0 for never even bringing the Kyoto Treaty to a vote, there is no chance of it being passed. Ask yourself, is there even one Democrat who would vote for this?
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Poppyseedman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 04:48 PM
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12. Link for web page
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 06:40 PM
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14. Good link poppyseed
"In other words, China, India, and other developing countries were exempt from the requirements of the Kyoto Protocol because they were not the main contributors to the greenhouse gas emissions during the industrialization period that is believe to be causing today's climate change."

In the next 50 years, the growth in fuel use will be overwhelmingly in India and China. In China there are four people for every person in the USA. Same for India. And each of those families want to have cars and other modern conveniences just like we do.

If those two engines of the world economy are exempt, then how can the treaty be any good?

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Poppyseedman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 07:17 PM
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15. Exactly ,
I was going to point out that Kyoto is about as useful as a Freeper, but last time I did that I was called about every name in the DU book because I actually have read the treaty, thought the CONSEQUENCES though and have come to realize it's about as big as boondoggle as comes around

But, being in progressive mind lockstep no matter the results is really all that matters :sarcasm:

You are brave for pointing out the obvious
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WritingIsMyReligion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 04:58 PM
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13. It'll take
GWB to be outta the office, that's what.

:banghead:
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