I simply cannot believe what I'm seeing on TV.

[YouthInAsia]

I'm sitting here watching the C-Span coverage of the Freeper rally in Washington, DC. Speaking right now is a father whose son DIED in Iraq. He was a Marine. He talked about how his son died, and he started crying. He talks a little more about his brave son and then says, (ready??) "I WANT TO THANK OUR COMMANDER IN CHIEF, GEORGE W. BUSH FOR HIS COURAGE HIS STEADFASTNESS AND HIS COMPASSION. HE TRULY CARES ABOUT THE TROOPS AND HE CRIED WITH US WHEN WE MET HIM. HE KISSED MY WIFE ON THE TOP OF THE HEAD AND SAID 'HOW YA DOIN, MOM' "

WHAT!!!!???? Ok, I missed something here or I misHEARD something. How is this man THANKING the guy who had his son KILLED in a war that is making him BILLIONS of dollars??!!! Are these people in such shock after the loss of their child that in order to deal with it (to justify it) they MUST believe that Bu$hCo. is legitimate?? They MUST believe that they CARE?? They MUST believe this is a noble cause?? I'm at a loss for words here. I'm stunned.

And I dont understand how they are holding a PRO TROOP rally, opposed to OUR rally yesterday. Was our rally then an ANTI TROOP rally?? Did I miss something here, too? I dont remember ANYONE yesterday in a crowd of 300,000 saying ANYTHING negative about the TROOPS. How is not wanting these young men and women to die for Bu$hCo. illegal agenda anti-troop?? Not wanting them to die is a BAD thing?? What these people in DC are holding is a pro BUSH rally, described as a pro Troop rally. They should just be honest and admit what it is, because this is utterly ridiculous.

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[Mr_Spock]

1. Freepers are imbeciles. They are the smiling buffoons in the following:

[Sparkly]

2. Yup -- total strawman argument.

Beyond that, I don't understand their thinking, either.

[joanne]

11. Yep, we are anti-troop and they are pro-troop

Never figured out how sending someone to possibly die in an illegal war was "supporting the troops".

The Chimp has done a great job of dividing the country hasnt he? Yet he campaigned as a "uniter, not a divider".

Why is it too that the Chimp refers to these women who have lost sons and daughters as "mom". Very condescending.

[Maat]

3. All I can say is, 'I agree, YouthInAsia."

[IndyOp]

4. Notice also the size of the um, uh, 'crowd'...

Kristinn from Freeperville said that they expected 20,000 -- that their people were really 'fired up!' --

[YouthInAsia]

17. I'd say there's maybe 100 people there.

[zoeb]

26. I counted five

but Liddy only played well in front of captive (jail) audiences.

[BlueEyedSon]

5. Stupid people exist. Many are US citizens.

:(

But it's not entirely his fault. If he watches Faux News, everything he knows is wrong. How could he possibly come to a sensible conclusion about anything?

[radwriter0555]

6. Don't forget, HITLER had plenty of FANS too, and remember, the word FANS

comes from FANATICS.

[NightHawk63]

7. American Legion A-Hole...

I couldn't believe I heard this asshole say this...

"You couldn't ask for a better way of life than to give it for someone else."

[YouthInAsia]

20. Did you hear him say that the right to protest should be

up to the government?? That the GOVERNMENT should decide who gets to protest!!!!!!

[YouthInAsia]

21. Did you hear him say that the right to protest should be

up to the government?? That the GOVERNMENT should decide who gets to protest!!!!!!

[Ian David]

8. What is it with Bush and the tops of people's heads? n/t

[tulsakatz]

9. it's because he buys into the 'Saddam is evil' BS

they have to believe that Bush is doing what is best for the country to rationalize their support for the war. And they have to believe that their children died for Bush's 'noble cause', otherwise the deaths of their children would be for nothing and they would be feeling the same pain that Cindy is obviously feeling!!

[Cleita]

10. I just heard that guy Ronald Conley, who is speaking now,

that our demonstration was against our troops. That's an outright lie. Everyone at the rallys I saw, including the one I attended yesterday, had signs that voiced in one way or the other support for the troops.

[rosesaylavee]

12. Yes, the man is in shock and not thinking clearly.

He needs our prayers. It may be too much to ask someone who has just lost a child to also deal with the fact that it has no meaning and didn't need to happen.

Peace.

[Cosmocat]

23. Yep ...

I watched it, and I felt a lot of compassion for this guy before he started on about Bushco ... I just ruled out the president stuff ...

This is one of the little tricks that the R/Cons have been doing all along, hiding behind the honor of our troops/civil servants and their familes ... These people take an oath to serve the president when they join the armed forces, and that oath is something VERY important to our troops ... Some take it more literally, and it just is not in their nature to question the commander in chief ...

These kinds of soldiers would would do ANYTHING for their president without question ... I have no problem with that, and I TOTALLY respect their service ...

BUT, the chickenhawks hide behind them ...

People want to confuse this thing ... NO ONE, NO ONE is not in support of the troops ... It is the CIVILIAN leadership that is sending them to the meatgrinder WELL outside of anything that relates to our countries security or best interests that we are trying to have held accountable ...

[rosesaylavee]

32. I agree - Neocons have no shame using ANYONE, even grieving parents

to reach their objectives.

Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[titoresque]

13. It's hard for me to even

believe that their is such ignorance! I've wondered if those people are not plants? I know.....I know.....:tinfoilhat:
But c'mon!! It's hard to imagine such complete denial. Maybe I'm in denial :banghead:

[kentuck]

14. They are misguided and cannot that possibly, they might be wrong

That their children would die for anything other than freedom, the Red, White, and Blue, and the American way. No way they could have died for a lie. For Halliburton and the oil companies or the wealth of the Military Industrial complex.

[Amonester]

15. Fear can make them say anything insane. F-E-A-R

These poor people are being used and they don't know it (or could do insane things to themselves if they'd ever "acknowledge" the painful truth?).

May the Majority of the People take extra good care of them when it's over.

[patdem]

16. Your name reminds me of a conversation my sister had with her husband

It was when the first discussions of euthanisa were being even put out there...and my sister asked her husband...'how do you feel about euthanisa'..his response...'what do I care about the YouthInAsia'? :rofl: Is that you richie? or gerrie?

[YouthInAsia]

22. hahahahaha. I always thought it would be a great name for a band

[mcg]

18. They are really pushing this 1984 style double-speak.

They are dumbing down the language, equating words that are not equal.

The fact is, "our troops" do not equal "the neocon's policies".

No way.

[Cleita]

19. Did you hear that idiot talk show host who said he had to

help the other side yesterday with their spell-check. He said there was no "sc" in fascist. Oh, duh oh, but there is.

I can't watch this anymore. Liddy is on right now.They should have called this the Liar's, Disinformation Rally For Really Stupid Americans.

[YouthInAsia]

24. Liddy is on now. Why isnt Liddy in jail??????

[gauguin57]

25. Some parents seem to just want the war WON (somehow?) so their kids' death

won't be in vain. Like seeing other kids killed is going to ease their pain?? Can you imagine allowing the idea that Iraq was a big effing mistake to seep into your head, once your CHILD has been killed? It must be so awful for these families to consider this possibility (which we have known to be the TRUTH for years now).

The situation in Iraq is deteriorating (GOD, read the story in this past week's Time Magazine about how ridiculous this whole catastrophe has been!) and there's no way we can "win" anything -- certainly not peace.

I like what Jessica Lange said at the anti-war rally yesterday: We don't honor the dead by continuing the war; We honor the dead by stopping the killing!!!

[gort]

27. CNN Headline News reported 20,000 attended Pro-War Rally

I saw the event live on C-Span and I did not see 20,000 people.

Looked more like 2000 to me.

Also-After the CNN-talking-head-stooge reported the 20,000 number, he said that 100,000 attended the Anti-war(PEACE)rally on Saturday. Video of the Pro-War Rally with chyron "PRO-WAR RALLY" was shown. The chyron stayed up while they cut to the peace rally with thousands of people in the background. This gave the impression that the thousands shown were at the Move America Forward manufactured "event."

Anyone out there capture this? It was on CNN Headline News just before noon pacific time Sunday 9/25.

New slogan suggestion to CNN: "We don't tell the News. We Just Make it Up."

[Cleita]

29. LOL

We should all send them an email saying that.

[YouthInAsia]

30. Yeah, I saw that too. I was gonna comment on it, but I just gave up

[drm604]

28. Typical rightwing word games.

By calling their demonstration "pro-troop" they create the impression (at least in some people's minds) that the other demonstration is anti-troop. They're attacking a straw man and I'm convinced that at least some of them know it.
Don't fall for the trap of using their frame. Ignore the pro-troop vs anti-troop nonsense. It's a false dichotomy. It's intended to divert the conversation into a meaningless argument about pro vs anti troop, thus derailing any discussion about the real issues. Ignore it, speak the truth, and ask the important questions.

[YouthInAsia]

33. well said n/t

[journalist3072]

31. Stockholm Syndrome: I love my captors!!

It's really sickening, but it's essentially what's happening.

The man is thanking this half-ass "Commander-in-Chief" (puke) for a war in which his son died?

I would ask that man: For what noble cause did your son die?

Oil? An Islamic theocracy in Iraq?

[YouthInAsia]

34. guarantee that somewhere in his answer would be the word "terrorism"

[journalist3072]

35. You're right. Sad, isn't it? eom

[bowens43]

36. You can't blame the guy for not wanting to believe

that his son died for a lie.