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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 06:01 PM
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Peggy Noonan wrote an anti * oped; take a look at the comments
Edited on Sun Sep-25-05 06:02 PM by CatWoman
Here's the link to the article:

http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pnoonan/

and here's a link to the comments:

http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pnoonan/responses.html?article_id=110007291

a sample:

Too Bad They Won't Absorb It
John K. Lunde - Corinna, Maine

Wow! Excellent! Water off a duck's back, of course, but good water.

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Take a Step Back
Frederick Bartlett - Hamilton, N.J.

American politics is fundamentally broken. Most citizens regard federal spending as "free money" and see no reason ever to say "no" to it. It is simply ridiculous that we allow the feds to take so much of our money and beyond risible that we are so grateful when they give some of it back.

It is time, I fear, for conservatives to return to the wilderness of 50 years ago and campaign for the repeal of the 16th Amendment. And it is worth mentioning that the campaign for the passage of that amendment was based on a lie: my grandfather told me that the politicians of the time all promised that the income tax would never amount to more than 3% of anyone's income--but, of course, that wasn't written in the text.

Nearly all federal non-military spending is, strictly speaking, unconstitutional. Highways, education, Social Security, Medicare, etc. all run afoul of any reasonable reading of the Commerce Clause and the 9th and 10th Amendments.

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Losing It
Gary Darling - Rogers, Ark.

It's about time a leading Republican author speaks about the "elephant" in the room. Mr. Bush--bless his heart--is losing it.

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A Billion Reasons to Vote Them Out
Ken Zwick - Ocala, Fla.

Congress is where the blame for runaway spending should be placed. The president is no doubt a big spender, but Congress must approve the expenditures. Instead they add their own pork-barrel projects to spending bills. They are like idiotic kids in a candy shop. Billions upon billions of dollars are wasted by these people who hold the highest political offices in our country, but are incapable of setting priorities or attainable goals (the basic principles of a business leader).

Someone should tell them the meaning of billions. Putting it in some perspective: a billion seconds ago, it was 1959; a billion minutes ago, Jesus Christ was alive. We are broke congressmen. The cupboard is bare! Save our country and do not run again.

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We Need Fiscal Conservatism
Louis Laffin - Oshkosh, Wis.

It might help to accept the following future course of the Republican Party: Conservative is being solely defined politically in terms of social engineering and has nothing to do with fiscal restraint.

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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 06:04 PM
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1. Peggy is funnier than watching a monkey fuck a bowling ball.
"Democrats talk a good game, but Republicans deliver"

She must be doing Ketamine by the hundredweight.
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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 06:11 PM
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3. LOL!
Really, she is still lusting after Regnut's bare feet.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 06:11 PM
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2. Yeah, well, Noonan needs to join W at Alcoholics Anonymous
She seems to be as serious a drunk as he is.

I think both of them need to get into some help.

I've watched Peggy fog her way through a TV program and she has the same need as * for a 12 step program.

Maybe the two of them can put their lives back together.

Get sober, Peggy! Help your beloved president, since he's got the same problem you do!

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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 06:13 PM
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4. If Peggy gets her wish, they WILL be living in the wilderness.
Put a raccoon hat on that conservative.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 06:14 PM
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5. Funny how one blames congress, when Bush has the power of veto.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 06:31 PM
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7. also funny how they don't point out that this is *'s Congress
every bill Bush has signed has been of, for and all about Republicans.
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Bernardo de La Paz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 06:36 PM
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10. Bush is a coward for never vetoing.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 06:30 PM
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6. It sounds like Bush made a mistake criticizing Reagan
That is the Cardinal Sin of the Republican Party. Big mistake Bush! You are pissing off your insane base!

From Peggy Noonan's article:

"The administration, in answering charges of profligate spending, has taken, interestingly, to slighting old conservative hero Ronald Reagan. This week it was the e-mail of a high White House aide informing us that Ronald Reagan spent tons of money bailing out the banks in the savings-and-loan scandal. This was startling information to Reaganites who remembered it was a fellow named George H.W. Bush who did that. Last month it was the president who blandly seemed to suggest that Reagan cut and ran after the attack on the Marine barracks in Lebanon.

Poor Reagan. If only he'd been strong he could have been a good president.

Before that, Mr. Mehlman was knocking previous generations of Republican leaders who just weren't as progressive as George W. Bush on race relations. I'm sure the administration would think to criticize the leadership of Bill Clinton if they weren't so busy having jolly mind-melds with him on Katrina relief. Mr. Clinton, on the other hand, is using his new closeness with the administration to add an edge of authority to his slams on Bush. That's a pol who knows how to do it.

At any rate, Republican officials start diminishing Ronald Reagan, it is a bad sign about where they are psychologically. In the White House of George H.W. Bush they called the Reagan administration "the pre-Bush era." See where it got them.

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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 06:32 PM
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8. I caught that, too
I think that's the only reason her panties are in a twist.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 06:36 PM
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9. Dem's need to exploit the rift!!!
We should bring that up ALL THE TIME!!! I sent that part to my Republican friend because I know it will piss him off. He LOVES REAGAN and anyone who criticizes him will lose his support.
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 07:04 PM
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14. yes, with some minor criticism of Bush she lambastes the poor,
Edited on Sun Sep-25-05 07:14 PM by Mandate My Ass
the Clintons, both Bill and Hill, and Dems of every stripe. This is what made my blood boil:

Of the $100 billion that may be spent on New Orleans, let's be serious. We love Louisiana and feel for Louisiana, but we all know what Louisiana is, a very human state with rather particular flaws. As Huey Long once said, "Some day Louisiana will have honest government, and they won't like it." We all know this, yes? Louisiana has many traditions, and one is a rich and unvaried culture of corruption. How much of the $100 billion coming its way is going to fall off the table? Half? OK, let's not get carried away. More than half.

The new repub mantra after stiffing tsunami and global AIDS relief efforts has been based on demonizing the governments of those countries and stating that they'll steal the money meant to go to the victims, so it's simply money wasted.

Not surprisingly, LA has a Dem gov and NOLA has a Dem mayor so we shouldn't give them money because they'll just steal it. Hey Peggy, the shocking billions, like the shocking billions being poured into Iraq, are going exclusively to Bush supporters and cronies!

She likewise says poverty is caused by women fucking around and having kids outside of marriage.

A lot of American families are broken, single mothers bringing up kids without a father come to see the government as the guy who'll help.

We shouldn't give them money, they are guilty of crimes of moral turpitude and they should be handed over to the churches who will only agree to help them feed their kids if they repent and don the scarlet letter.

The only thing missing from that diatribe is calling the working poor "welfare queens" like her idol, Ronald Reaagan did. I'm a tad surprised she had the cojones to bring up the billions spent bailing out the S&Ls when it was Neil freaking Bush who pulled that scam on the American public. That's OK though, just don't ever give money to the poor, they're immoral and greedy.

Her only weak criticism is that she sees Bush being too kind to the poor, which is a weak and ineffective democratic trait, but one which he's being forced into by dems exploiting a tragedy. She never notes how much taxpayer money is being siphoned by Bush cronies with no oversight or accountability whatsoever. Nor does she mention how much aid was offered from the outside that Bush turned down without so much as deigning to check and see if the aid was needed. She disgusts me almost as much as they do. No, every bit as much.

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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 07:14 AM
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17. "single moms"! Wasn't Peggy a single mom herself?
She was married to that guy with an eyepatch. I thought she divorced him. I remember she wrote that she wanted to bring her kid up alone. She said she kinda dug that outfit Jackie Kennedy wore at JFK's funeral.

I wondered about her sobriety and her sanity at that time.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 07:28 PM
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15. Reagan of course was out of the loop most of the time
and was probably not sharp enough to figure out what was being done in his name but:

1.his ranch was a real ranch.
2.he knew how to ride a horse.
3.he actually served in the armed forces (even if all he did was make training films in Hollywood).
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 06:37 PM
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11. Funny how none of the responders mentioned
that Bill Clinton left Bush with a surplus.

Say what you will about Bill Clinton, but he was fiscally responsible.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 06:39 PM
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12. Sounds like Wall Street is getting ready to cut Junior loose
Guess the deficits have finally sunk in and the failure in Iraq is at the point of no return.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 06:54 PM
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13. I think the old canard about the business community always supporting the
g.o.p. is just bunk. ANYONE with half a brain, and that includes most (but not all) of the editors and writers at the wsj, can see that *'s fiscal policies are a looming disaster. * and the 'cons don't have the faintest fucking idea what they're doing, and when it all comes crashing down, it's gonna splatter crap all over EVERYONE. Doesn't matter if you're CEO of the universe, you'll end up having to pay for the ineptness, arrogance and greed of bushco*.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 07:20 AM
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18. they must've seen the chart...
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 07:48 PM
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16. If there is karmic justice
Peggy Noonan will be reincarnated as a thousand fireflies over a toxic waste dump.
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