"Brownie" hearing official thread #2

[Sydnie]

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[Connie_Corleone]

1. Brownie is absolutely disgusting.

FEMA did everything right, but the locals and state didn't do anything. He's talking like the mayor and governor went on vacation until Sunday before the hurricane.

[johnfunk]

6. Not "Brownie" -- use his new nickname: "DROWNIE" -- and...

Drownie's getting his chewed-up candy ass handed back to him by teh committee. His spin is being demolished -- absolutely demolished.

This is some great tee-vee.

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[berner59]

8. What a smug idiot....

Nagin & Blanco better stage a press conference...this man doesn't deserve on cent of our tax payer money!!!

[Pirate Smile]

He is still on the payroll.

[bettyellen]

2. Rogers Ky says they knew there would be a flood, but did nothing

no evacuation warning before saturday....
refusses to answer any rogers questions about the timeline of what they were doing.
he's doing eveything to avoid answering him

[speedoo]

3. Isn't all this "no evacuation" stuff from Brownie a lie?

There was a voluntary evacuation in place long before the mandatory evacuation on Sunday, right?

[Connie_Corleone]

12. Yes. I remember the voluntary evacuation on Saturday.

I think that was around 12:30 ET. Then the mandatory evacuation was on Sunday.

[VolcanoJen]

Right, and Drownie just took credit for that, even.

"I urged them to do the mandatory evacuation on Saturday."

[rodeodance]

35. yes, he is covering his butt over and over! (he did his job is the message

[Catrina]

34. It is a lie

because LA evacuated 80% of its residents, which apparently is very high, before Sunday. The normal rate is 60%.

Brownie is a whining, arrogant POS, which makes him perfect for this criminal administration.

Why is only LA under investigation? Mississippi didn't get all of its residents out either and no one seems to know how many people died in that state. Certainly no one I have heard from Mississippi is particularly happy with Fema. Many still saying they have not received any assistance from the Federal Govt. four weeks later.

The man is joke ~ although a very tragic one, along with Chertoff (why is he still head of Homeland Security?).

[Kool Kitty]

4. Spiteful, arrogant bastard.

Not his fault, any of this. Damn these people. That still doesn't explain why he had to hear about the people stranded at the Superdome and the Convention Center from the TeeVee.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

5. Pelosi made a HUGE mistake not having and Dems there. eom

[Skidmore]

10. A huge one.

[Sydnie]

28. Maybe not -- after all, this will now be on the record and they can

plan how to take it down in the future. blivet** didn't want a 9/11 commission either but had to bow to the pressure. There is hope that it could happen again and this will be out there to draw from.

[rodeodance]

11. So, the Committee is setting up how the evacuation order was not

given till SUNday--days after the Nat. weather service said it could be a cat 4.

[rodeodance]

16. Brown first asked on SATurday to evacuate NO. He talked to Blanco

on Sun am.

[sabra]

14. Democrats move to force vote on independent Katrina panel

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1808786&mesg_id=1808786

[rodeodance]

20. oh, i am so glad to hear this.

[readmylips]

Agree...first info on TV, that's what people believe....

They never should have allowed that Jefferson guy to be part of the panel if no majority from the Dems were taking part. On the screen, Jefferson was targeted as a crook for having soldiers help him visit his home during the mess. Jefferson talked a lot of shit and said nothing.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

53. That's my point. She could have persued an independent panel and

still have had representatives here to cross examine the frigging truth out of this idiot.

[sabra]

7. FEMA was perfect

it's Nagin and Blanco's fault

let's move on folks

:sarcasm:

[cantstandbush]

9. I think this "hearing" will backfire explosively on the Republicans.

It really looks like an excercise in CYA and blame the victims and the Democratic governor and mayor of LA and NO. But everyone knows that MS, AL, and now TX are to this very day still having problems with FEMA and the Feds under this Bush administration. And no one, least of all the Republicans, can should be able to stand not facing up to responsibility...isn't that their gripe with libs anyway. I think the big difference between libs and conservatives is that libs like to blame the authorities in power while the conservatives like to blame the victims who have no power.

[berner59]

22. Cutie pie Taylor is up...

Another Dem...come on - call him out!!!!

[Democrat 4 Ever]

25. Rogers is toting water for Brown, FEMA and Chimpy. He's trying

really hard to "appear" fair and balanced but when the hearing is over it will be the Mayor's and the Governor's fault.

Next thing you know Drownie will be receiving a medal along with his government pay check.

[rodeodance]

31. but very little of this gets talked of. Yes brought it up today which is

good--so it is on record.

..... But everyone knows that MS, AL, and now TX are to this very day still having problems with FEMA and the Feds under this Bush administration.

[Skidmore]

13. Anyone able to call in when this thing breaks and CSPAN does

a call-in?

[Oreo]

15. God I hope people don't fall for his BS

This is a travesty and hopefully will only make things worse for Bush. This guy is worse than scum

[bluedawg12]

17. Petulent tubby school yard bully got caught

while bodies still rot in NOLA waters- he sits there offering lame excuses to cover his fat pouty puckered ass.

Does this man give a shit about the homeless across the gulf?

Not just NOLA- but all the way across the gulf like an A-bomb ground zero scene.

[Skidmore]

19. He keeps smirking and snickering and simpering.

Loathsome toady.

[bettyellen]

18. he's using the constitution as an excuse....

that FEMA had no "jurisdiction" in LA.
Maybe, but they has a big fucking responsibility, a job to do and you fluffed it and now there's blood on your hands.

[Spazito]

21. I can't wait till the Senate hearings where the dems will be participating

They will have all this 'testimony' Brownie is spewing now to use against him, Brownie is not only incompetent, he is stupid in his arrogance, imo.

This house hearing is supplying meat for further investigations, the repubs have made a big error in doing this in this way, imo, and the house dems are right to boycott this one and let the repubs and Brownie dig their hole deeper.

[Pirate Smile]

23. Rep Gene Taylor (D) Mississippi is up now. Yeah!

[sabra]

30. he can be good, we shall see

[Oreo]

24. WHAT!!! A brave man?!?!

holy shit... somebody called him a brave man for sitting in front of a bunch of republicans. This man is a criminal and a murderer.

[readmylips]

26. Rogers feeding answers to Brownie....

what an idiot. All this is TV op is to fix little bush's image. Even Fox peoples called Brownie's statement a disaster.

[VolcanoJen]

32. Faux called Drownie's statement a disaster?? Tell me more!

Please, dish!

:popcorn:

[rodeodance]

39. what are you talking about?

[readmylips]

59. Brownie did not take personal responsibility...used

air time to defend his resume. Fox talking heads were in shock and said, Brownie was digging a deeper hole for himself and Fema. (They did not say, of course, little bush).

[VolcanoJen]

70. Well, I'm surprised by that!

Thanks, readmylips!

[Oreo]

33. Good

I couldn't imagine people would do anything but detest this man more.

[Skidmore]

41. SInce when has this Congress called a hearing so quickly?

You betcha its a CYA operation. They think trotting this out ASAP while people are preoccupied with the disaster itself will somehow make * seem like he and they are proactive. They are trying to shove the whole stinking mess under the rug and burn it.

[rodeodance]

42. who is Rogers?

[VolcanoJen]

27. Ooooh, they just caught him in a lie about the operation in Mississippi.

This congressman (who is he?) is saying that on the Tuesday after the storm, only one satellite phone was working in Mississippi.

He also says that nobody from FEMA could tell Mississippi officials when MRE's would arrive.

Heh.

[leftofthedial]

29. he sounds like the spokesman for the local frat house

alibiing after the annual ritual of the alcohol-poisoned coed dying at the frat party

[berner59]

37. Taylor setting him up for a fall....

Asking where the food/water was postioned in MI and why on Thurs - they still didn't have them...HUH??????

[Kool Kitty]

36. "Mr. Brown, you're a brave man."

"Oh no, I'm not." The truth, at last, from this steaming pile of horseshit named (appropriately, I may add) Brown. And after that initial softening-up, the Democrat Taylor is going for his throat about the radios. "We don't have enough of them to cover an area the size of Great Britain." "How many MREs did you have in position?" "We had 14 trailerloads." "How many are on a trailerload?" Nail him, Gene!

[rodeodance]

44. what was that all about?

[VolcanoJen]

Oh, Taylor's a Dem? No wonder!

He's definitely blown Drownie's "The states run by Republicans had their shit together" meme.

[sabra]

38. Brownie starting to sweat a little - even is this white wash hearing

[speedoo]

40. This Mississippi Dem. (Taylor) looks like a tough guy.

Jefferson really diappointed me. He was not really ready to nail Brown.

But Taylor looks much better prepared.

[sabra]

43. Jefferson has his own scandals

so no surprises there...

[berner59]

47. I think I'm in love....

This guy is good... Calmly tearing Brownie up... This is so good after Brownie said that MI worked... HA!!!!!

What hair...

[VolcanoJen]

50. He's kinda hot.

;-)

[rodeodance]

60. 'you would have thought you would have thought of these contingencies"

Dem telling this to Brown!! GRAND

[rodeodance]

61. "you get an F- in my book"--Dem. to Brown. te he!

[rodeodance]

65. 'did you take into account that half of Nat. guard was in Iraq"?--Dem. ask

ed Brown!!

[speedoo]

66. Taylor is REALLY good.

Brownie thinks he can get through this by answering rethug softballs.

Taylor is kicking ass.

Brownie is a fool.

[finecraft]

45. Go ahead Taylor...tear Brown's ass up!

Taylor was on the ground in Mississippi since day one after Katrina. He knows what's up. He needs to rip Brown a new one, and I think he'll do it.

[Fridays Child]

81. With a soft southern voice, Mr. Taylor doth ream Mr. Brown.

It was lovely.

[Kool Kitty]

46. You just heard it, kids-

it is unreasonable to expect that FEMA can help you. You must be prepared to be on your own for at least two or three days. Why the fuck do we have FEMA at all then?

[Kagemusha]

49. To coordinate the charitable organizations we're now gonna reimburse

like goddamn contractors.

[rodeodance]

51. Taylor going good job. but Brownie says Fema not there to suppy gas.

[rodeodance]

54. my god--Fema is suspose to be thinking of these contingencies!!

[highplainsdem]

69. Brown said that at the beginning of his statement, too. Individuals

are supposed to prepare themselves for emergencies. Local and state governments have responsibility after that. And if there's still any federal responsibility left after that, I'm sure Brown or whichever of *'s cronies replaces him will try to weasel out of it.

Brown sounded genuinely indignant about individuals not taking more responsibility. How dare those people expect FEMA to do anything for them!

[johnfunk]

48. "Was looting Wal-Mart and grocery stores part of the FEMA plan?"

Rep. Gene Taylor shoots1 He scores! Bwahahahaha!

[VolcanoJen]

63. "I have constituents still living in tents looted from Wal-Mart."

This Taylor guy is The Whip!! Woot!

[Connie_Corleone]

52. What's FEMA good for if they can't do anything?

[babylonsister]

55. Gene Taylor doing a fine job of roasting Brownie! nt

[rodeodance]

77. burn baby burn! (Taylor to Brown)

[bettyellen]

56. FEMA was afraid of the looters, wouldn't go in there and endanger them

selves by feeding these people.
oh jeeze, now it's the states and faith based peoples' responsibilities?

[Sydnie]

57. I take great offense to you "BROWNIE"

STFU already!

[Kool Kitty]

58. Oh, pooooooooooor baby!

He takes offense at being picked on. He doesn't want to be berated. :cry: :nopity: :cry: :nopity:

[berner59]

64. "You folks fell on your face"....

Go Gene!!!!! Now talking NG being in Iraq...and how there goes his "local needs to take vare of local..." HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kool Kitty]

73. Shit, you could fill a book with what this

man wasn't aware of. I can't wait to see how this is spun tonight.

[sabra]

62. Taylor: "You get an F-"

[rodeodance]

72. "are you aware"--Taylor keeps asking Brown (showing what a dummy

Brownie is).

[rodeodance]

75. Brown reminds me of Condi comment--We just could not imagine that

a plane would actually fly into the towers!!

[Sydnie]

74. "maybe they made a very good move when

they asked you to leave your job!" :woohoo:

[bigbrother05]

67. Why does this admin. think this guy

is qualified. Lying through his teeth, boatloads of money, what kind of speaking is that? Doesn't even know the dates. And still on the payroll,maybe my puppy can get a job.

[bettyellen]

68. people thought there was some expertise from the feds... but

there wasn't.

[Tatiana]

71. OMG Taylor is handing Brownie his a$$!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Didn't expect this of a MS rep. MS was supposed to be just fine, you know...

[digno dave]

76. Brownie sitting there with hand on cheek listening to Taylor

[rodeodance]

80. Shays saying to Brown--YOU SHOULD HAVE KNOWN! (communication

breaddown)---

[rodeodance]

88. SHAYS saying to Brown--you gave up-after the mandatory evac. did

not work!!---Shays wants to know what he did then (once he knew people had NOT evacuated).

[Kool Kitty]

78. Looks like Chris Shays

is getting down to giving Drownie's ass a good chewing. Get 'em, Chris!!! Chris looks like he's shaking, he's so pissed. "I'm not going to sit here and be berated." Again, I say-:nopity: :nopity: :nopity:

[speedoo]

79. Shays (R-CT) is now gonna beat the shit out of Brownie.

Shays is one of the few decent Republicans on the planet.

[bettyellen]

82. Shays nails him on lessond he said he learned....

aren't correcting the mistakes that occured and he hasn't learned from other disaters.
he should have known about communications and logistics problems.

[displacedtexan]

90. "I never thought I would sit here and be berated...

because I'm not Rudy G."

Wowsah!

Point his damned little finger at Shays.

Pass the popcorn!

[babylonsister]

83. Shays was highly critical of the role Brown played this

a.m. on the news, and expressed disbelief this guy was still on the payroll and representing the admin. in this hearing. He does walk the fine line between FEMA's culpability and the * admin.

[sabra]

84. Shays(R) is giving it to Brownie

me likes

[ncrainbowgrrl]

85. Shays is doing a pretty good job- (Can't belive I'm praising a Repub)

:bounce:

[Kool Kitty]

97. Honey, he's doing a GREAT job.

And I'm gonna praise this repub, too. Go, Chris!!!

[napi21]

98. Shays was on WJ this AM. I agree, he seems to be trying to be

fair and really find out what happened. Thanks to him!

[lpbk2713]

86. I love to see these stooges with their feet held to the fire.

Even the repubs are asking him "..... how could you fug up so badly?"

Go back to shoveling horse shit in the stables.


Nominated.

[VolcanoJen]

94. Some of these Republicans are surprising me with their toughness.

Then again, who couldn't resist making Drownie a chew toy!

:popcorn:

[Skidmore]

87. Ya know, I'm surprised Rove hasn't sent Sensenbrenner over

to turn out the lights and cut off the mikes. Shays is even cutting him short.

[rodeodance]

95. now Brown saying he had no money. Did you ask for the money after

hurricane Pam. Shay asked Brown if he had documentation.

[VolcanoJen]

89. Drownie is so incompetent, he didn't realize the purpose of hearings...

... is usually to "berate" those testifying.

:-)

[sabra]

92. Drownie is going to cry by the end of this hearing

and this is the softball version...

[Tatiana]

99. You know they probably prepped him before the hearings.

Told Brownie they'd go soft on him and it would be smooth sailing since there would be mostly Republicans asking questions.

[digno dave]

91. I see GeorgeTenet is making an appearance at the hearing

right there behind browine

[merbex]

93. This guy is the personification of the Repug Party

"I can't believe I'm sitting here being berated for not being R.Guiliani"

He can't believe he's being berated period.

[ncrainbowgrrl]

That might be my favorite moment of the hearing...

:rofl:

[Sydnie]

96. Brownie's "wha wha" whambulance moment

I'm being berated because I am not Rudy! ROFL

Yes I mean WHAMbulance! He is taking sucker punches all around!

[rodeodance]

101. Shays wants documentation that Brown asked for $ after Pam Hurricane

[rodeodance]

106. Shays--When did you call Jr when he knew had 'incompetant gov/mayor"

whow!! Shays you pucko

[rodeodance]

109. "did you ask for a higher authority to help out?? once mayor/gov failed

this is from Shays.

[Skidmore]

100. He had "no money"? I thought he had boatloads.

At least, that is what he said earlier.

[sabra]

102. So now he is blaming the lack of money on Homeland Security?

[Kool Kitty]

104. Lying, he's lying, he's lying.....

Chris Shays wants to bring the President in? GREAT IDEA!!!!!!!!

[napi21]

105. OOPS! Homeland Security removed his $$ from the budget!

Smack that darn Chertoff!

[speedoo]

107. Brownie is a freakin disaster.

This guy is unbelievably incompetent.

[bluedawg12]

103. Turdie is losing it- yelling at Shay! LOL. an out raged pig

nothing funnier than his jowls swinging while his piggy eyes shrink in anger.:crazy:

[Kool Kitty]

115. Chris wants specifics.

Drownie says he e-mailed and spoke to Andy Card, someone else I can't remember, and the Prez. Now he's being advised by counsel not to share with the committee. Davis just said, you shared it with the NYT, you can share it with us. YYYYEEEESSSSS!!!!!!!!

[speedoo]

116. He is being told what to say and what not to say by a WH stooge!!

Unbelievable.

[Sydnie]

108. He asked when he talked to the president and he answered when he

talked to the WH ... not the same thing.

[Sydnie]

110. EMAILS - we have a paper trail!

Why does he need a lawyer? He's talking about facts not opinion here.

[rodeodance]

112. Brown now saying his counsel says he can not tell of private conversations

with WH people.

[rodeodance]

someone pointed out that he already talked to the NYTimes (who was

that?--Taylor?

[Tatiana]

113. Is Shays trying to link this disaster to the pRESIDENT???? n/t

[Skidmore]

120. Needs his lawyer to advise him.

Told he couldn't discuss because of confidentiality issues. Davis points out that he had discussed it with the NY Times. HA HA!!

[VolcanoJen]

111. LMFAO! Drownie says "Counsel advises me that I cannot discuss...

... my communications with the White House."

Congressman: "Sir, you discussed it with The New York Times!!"

[sabra]

114. Brownie: I exchanged emails with the WH?

did you send an AIM message to bush? What's your handle? Brownie4ever ?

[babylonsister]

In his very minor defense, as I recall,

all the wh hacks were nowhere to be found!

[Kool Kitty]

123. His handle should be

"shitforbrains".

[Oreo]

117. Counsel is telling me I can't discuss

conversation with the president.

Congressman Shay comes back... you discussed it with the NY Times.

[bettyellen]

118. refuses to answer what he discussed with the WH

until it was pointed out he already did with the NYT

[rodeodance]

126. Shays--is that 'coordinating" (brown saying he asked for mand. evacs)

[bettyellen]

129. Shays says "what coordinating did you do?' Brownie "I urged people"

he had to get pernmission from the WH to urge people!?!?

[merbex]

119. I now know why he worked with horses

he could use a whip on them

He certainly has no other skills

[merbex]

128. He takes umbrage with comment from Shays

Brown can criticize others but NO-ONE can criticize him

[digno dave]

121. he kinda passed buck onto WH, saying he asked them to get gov & mayor to

order evacuation

[Fleshdancer]

122. He looks like he's about to cry

this guy had no idea what he was doing.

[Fridays Child]

124. Oh, Lordy, Mr. Shays!

LOL :rofl:

[speedoo]

125. Shays is murdering this tool.

I'm proud he was once my congressman.

Now Brownis is squeling like a stuck pig.

[VolcanoJen]

127. Drownie: "You expect me to be a Superhero!"

LMFAO, this is good stuff. :popcorn:

[Kool Kitty]

130. "I guess you want me to be a superhero."

"No, I just want you to do your job."

Not for nothin' but this is turning into a disaster for the administration. There is no real way you can spin this. This man's glaring incompetence is hanging out there for all to see. And he's an arrogant, defensive asshole to boot.

[ncrainbowgrrl]

131. Locking- time for thread #3

Next thread is over here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4900712

[sabra]

132. Shays: That's why I am happy that you are gone

with that deer in headlines look.

essentially saying you don't know shit.