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julialnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 10:19 AM
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FEMA Plans to Reimburse Faith Groups for Aid
Tuesday 27 September 2005
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/26/AR2005092601799.html


As civil libertarians object, religious organizations weigh whether to apply.
After weeks of prodding by Republican lawmakers and the American Red Cross, the Federal Emergency Management Agency said yesterday that it will use taxpayer money to reimburse churches and other religious organizations that have opened their doors to provide shelter, food and supplies to survivors of hurricanes Katrina and Rita.

FEMA officials said it would mark the first time that the government has made large-scale payments to religious groups for helping to cope with a domestic natural disaster.

"I believe it's appropriate for the federal government to assist the faith community because of the scale and scope of the effort and how long it's lasting," said Joe Becker, senior vice president for preparedness and response with the Red Cross.

Civil liberties groups called the decision a violation of the traditional boundary between church and state, accusing FEMA of trying to restore its battered reputation by playing to religious conservatives.

"What really frosts me about all this is, here is an administration that didn't do its job and now is trying to dig itself out by making right-wing groups happy," said the Rev. Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State.

FEMA officials said religious organizations would be eligible for payments only if they operated emergency shelters, food distribution centers or medical facilities at the request of state or local governments in the three states that have declared emergencies -- Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama. In those cases, "a wide range of costs would be available for reimbursement, including labor costs incurred in excess of normal operations, rent for the facility and delivery of essential needs like food and water," FEMA spokesman Eugene Kinerney said in an e-mail.

For churches, synagogues and mosques that have taken in hurricane survivors, FEMA's decision presents a quandary. Some said they were eager to get the money and had begun tallying their costs, from electric bills to worn carpets. Others said they probably would not apply for the funds, fearing donations would dry up if the public came to believe they were receiving government handouts.

"Volunteer labor is just that: volunteer," said the Rev. Robert E. Reccord, president of the Southern Baptist Convention's North American Mission Board. "We would never ask the government to pay for it."

much more...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/26/AR2005092601799.html

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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 10:23 AM
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1. Sounds like bribery
"Are you gonna let a corrup government bribe your church and corrupt it as well?"

New meme - spread it.
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 10:30 AM
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2. It seems only fair, was my first thought..
but then I read about WORN CARPETS. Please!

If a church went out and bought cots and food and can't cover it with donations, then maybe.

BUT WORN CARPETS? How about toilet paper? Number of flushes? What about the odor? You know those folks were stinky. Shouldn't they be paid for the bad smells? /sarcasm
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triguy46 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 10:40 AM
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4. Wait, this is what charity is about...
Edited on Tue Sep-27-05 10:42 AM by triguy46
If you only give knowing you will be reimbursed, then there is no real charity. You are then just another unpaid subcontractor, get in line.
They are already a 501(c)3 and exempt from taxation specifically to allow them to provide charitable services. So now they get a tax break AND reimbursement???

This is * bribery. Taxes are evil, in their view, why would they want tax money? filthy lucre, pieces of caesars silver...
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 10:55 AM
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5. Agreed.
I change my mind about the reimbursement. If they get reimbursed, then they should pay taxes.
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triguy46 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 10:39 AM
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3. Do we have a tax attorney available?
What does this do to the preferential tax treatmen of 501(c)3s and contributions made to them? In this case, there would seem to be no unmet expenses, the FBO is working both sides. If we are tax protecting donations to them, AND they get reimbursed... this doesn't add up. But then again the GOP doesn't know how to add, except to the debt to which there is no limit, and cutting services in which there are no needs.

We need a tax attorney's opinion..
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whatelseisnew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 12:16 PM
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8. 501(c)3s can receive grants
Edited on Tue Sep-27-05 12:17 PM by whatelseisnew
I'm not an attorney, but I do know that.

<typo>
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samdogmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 10:56 AM
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6. Urged by the "Red Cross"? Why aren't they kicking in some of the
3/4+ of a BILLION dollars they've raised in the aftermath of Katrina?

http://www.newsday.com/news/opinion/ny-opwal274444388sep27,0,6267271.story?coll=ny-viewpoints-headlines

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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 11:26 AM
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7. If my tax dollars pay these churches then why should I ever donate?
As long as the GOP is in control I never will donate again unless it is a local matter.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 12:51 PM
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9. PAYOFF!!!
for 2006 in advance
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 01:01 PM
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10. That's BS
And if individuals donate, they can take a tax deduction if they itemize. If the church accepts re-imbursement, would they still qualify. Isn't that like double dipping?
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 03:38 PM
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11. julialnyc
Per DU copywright rules
please post only four
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Thank you.

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LuCifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 03:47 PM
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12. Ok...
...unless you are going to reimburse the Satanists, Witches, snake handlers, marijuana as a sacrament Rastas and beat yourself with a chain
until you are bloody to show your faith people also...then there should be No reimbursement to faith based groups. Think they will reimburse them also ?? Or just Bush's Base ? DUH! And the same goes for any religious statements in tax payed for buildings.

The rest of the world SERIOUSLY needs to join forces and say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH to the USA and UK.

Lu
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 03:52 PM
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13. Are any of those groups running faith based charities ...

... that are helping those made homeless by Katrina?
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