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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 12:13 PM
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500,000 People Vanish in Washington, DC

http://info.detnews.com/weblog/index.cfm?blogid=5304


Imagine 500,000 people marching down the meandering thoroughfares of Pennsylvania Avenue and 14th Street and Constitution Avenue in Washington, DC. They are headed for a date with destiny and the promise of peace, conjoined with a challenge for justice. How could they vanish from the headlines?

Rod Serling, the brilliant creator/writer of “The Twilight Zone,” might have written this intro to one of his teleplays during the 1960s. But it didn’t happen then. It happened this weekend, with our media, in our country, in our time.

“They came from as far away as Alaska and California,” reported Abayomi Azikiwe of the Pan African Newswire, “from Europe to the nation's capital itself, to make a clear statement that United States military forces should withdraw immediately from Iraq. Honest crowd estimates of the demonstration ranged from 500,000-600,000 (some even thought there were more) making it the largest demonstration in the capital since the winter of 2003.”

Journalist Azikiwe rode the bus with 200 Detroiters who attended this national anti-war march in Washington, DC and stood on the Mall with thousands who watched speakers ranging from the Rev. Jesse Jackson to Cindy Sheehan to activist Curtis Muhammad from New Orleans. He provided a full report on this historic event.
-snip- (read on, it's interesting)
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an historic event everywhere but in america

COMMUNICATION - which the bushgang uses to keep us down and ignorant
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 12:17 PM
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1. So basically you are saying
the whole world ISN'T watching?

Crap. Well at least we have DU. They will figure it out eventually.

I wonder whether our legislators read the Internet or rely on the MSN?
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 12:19 PM
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2. 500,000-600,000 Knew they were there, and the tens of thousands on the
internet knew they were there, and all of them are seeing the MSM as the whores that they are...if they can not be trusted to provide the news then the news will be abtained somewhere else and they will be left with nothing. Their Sponsers will be left with nothing. They are actually cutting their own throats.
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wtbymark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 12:20 PM
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3. COMMUNICATION - which the bushgang uses to keep us down and ignorant
we may be down, be we aren't ignorant
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 12:20 PM
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4. K and R! nt
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 12:22 PM
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5. When you contrast the turn out for the March
Edited on Tue Sep-27-05 12:23 PM by DoYouEverWonder
with the Support Bush events the numbers are even more significant.

For every person that marched in opposition of BushCo, there were at least 100 more supporters who couldn't be there.

So 500,000 x 100 = 50 million people.



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Theres-a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 12:22 PM
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6. We the people are being LIED TO!
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 12:30 PM
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8. We the people are being ignored. n/t
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Theres-a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 12:51 PM
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14. That,too. nt
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 12:29 PM
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7. Bastards. A Rove-op at the Los Angeles Times wrote there were 1000 prowar
protestors.

They certainly do lie to us, quite systematically.
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The Witch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 12:32 PM
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9. Does anyone remember the foreign news blog site?
I want to see if this got any foreign press and I know there's a blog or watchdog site out there that follows foreign stories about the US.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 12:35 PM
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11. It's here:
Edited on Tue Sep-27-05 12:36 PM by babylonsister
www.watchingamerica.com
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The Witch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 01:04 PM
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17. Yes,that's it! Thanks! n/t
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 12:35 PM
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10. Enough of the conspiracy BS. It can all be explained easily:
The Rapture. There were 500,000 people there for a brief moment, but they were whisked away by God before the mass media had time to record their presence.

Jeez! Is everyone wearing a tinfoil hat around here?
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 12:38 PM
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12. and 411 people were not arrested yesterday either
amazing! We live in an age of miracles.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 12:43 PM
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13. 'twas front page on the Cleveland Plain Dealer & Youngstown Vindicator
on Sunday. The PD even had a Paul Hackett for Senate blurb on the front page.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 12:54 PM
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15. But just let ONE PANDA have a baby.
And it's extreme journalism day!




Yeah, I think we've all been wondering how they simply disappeared.
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 01:00 PM
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16. I think there were even some cute blonde white women that went missing
in DC too
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 01:08 PM
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18. I don't think there were 500K there. It was small compared to the ...
march for women's lives, which was 750K.

I'd guess around 150-175K. A guess. But not 500K.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 01:38 PM
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19. You're only guessing, but you're sure everyone else is wrong?
how does that work?

Hey, i have no idea how many stars there are, but I'm pretty what that guys said as a number was completely wrong.

:shrug:
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 01:40 PM
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20. NO ONE, including organizers, have claimed 500K.
Edited on Tue Sep-27-05 01:41 PM by MookieWilson
I was at the march for women's lives and this one was much smaller.

Were you at either of these marches?
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 01:51 PM
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21. nope, wasn't there, but I'm not claiming to know the right figure, either.
or, more accurately, to know which figure is incorrect. I'm just questioning how you have arrived at your conclusion.

care to enlighten me further other than that you were at the other march?
were you using one of those clickers and noting everyone that walked by in both marches?
Did you station yourself in one location, and do a mental quesstimate?

I would imagine it is difficult it is to estimate crowds that enter a grid of streets from a variety of entry and exit points. Even those who do it regularly don't usually agree on the same crowd.


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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 01:54 PM
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22. C-SPAN claimed 500,000
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 03:29 PM
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25. CSPAN & CNN both gave estimates of 500,000-600,000
Edited on Tue Sep-27-05 03:47 PM by BrklynLiberal
http://www.truthout.org/campcaseydc.shtml

Numbers
By William Rivers Pitt

Saturday 24 September 2005 4:26 PM

CNN reported earlier in the day that 600,000 people were here. That seems, to me, a little bit of an overcount. I cannot be sure because this thing is spread in all directions and I'd need to be in a helicopter to get a good idea, and never mind the fact that counting noses is not my forte. But I have been covering these things in DC and New York since they started, and I feel comfortable saying there are at least 300,000 people here right now.


Numbers
By Scott Galindez

Saturday 24 September 2005 11:08 PM

It is safe to say that there were hundreds of thousands of people marching against the war in Iraq today. Police Chief Charles Ramsey's only statement was that the organizers achieved their goal of 100,000. The DC police refused to make any other estimate. C-Span estimated 500,000, a number that I believe was possible from my observations. I was on the corner of Pennsylvania and 15th on the steps of Riggs bank when the march began.



Here is a blog with some discussion of the size of the crowd in DC on 9/24.
There is again a mention of the CNN and CSPAN crowd counts of 500,000 and 600,000.
The people who were there at the march also confirm these numbers based on their own experiences..

http://www.centristcoalition.com/blog/archives/002526.html

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Tuesday_Morning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 03:32 PM
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26. I was there...
and it was an amazing and inspiring crowd. I haven't seen a single photo that did it justice.

My experience: I stood in a crowd that stretched around me as far as I could see in all directions for the chance to march. I stood there for about 2 hours til we finally started moving at a snail's pace. The next couple blocks to the White House took another 2 hours or so.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 02:31 PM
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23. Get your facts right.
Edited on Tue Sep-27-05 02:34 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
Especially if they're negative and unpropitious for democracy.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 03:20 PM
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24. Who/when did C-Span say that?
My friends watching C-Span didn't hear that. Was it a guest?

The organizers claimed 300K. Chief Ramsey said at least 100K.

I agree with those estimates.

It was a large turnout by any standard.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 04:27 PM
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32. I saw at least two separate references to it - one, I believe, on
Edited on Tue Sep-27-05 04:31 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
the DU home page, citing C-Span - and the other, possibly a post referring to the article - citing 500,000 as the figure given by the chief of police (not known for over-estimates of such figures).
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:37 PM
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34. Chief Ramsey said we met our goal of 100K and probably a bit more. nt
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chalky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 03:45 PM
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27. Got a picture of the march that we can compare this to?


Side by side might give us an idea of whether this measures up to 750k (even though this picture doesn't give a view of the filled adjacent streets).

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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 03:48 PM
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28. And this aerial picture was taken early..at 10AM or so. Many more .
people arrived after this picture was taken.
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Fuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 03:51 PM
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29. It's magic!
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 03:57 PM
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30. In reporting on Cindy Sheehan's arrest yesterday
the whores at CNN Headline News commented that Cindy had been in DC for a rally on Saturday, but that the rally hadn't received much attention "because of the hurricane." Now, that is one stinking pile of bullshit. If there hadn't been a hurricane, if Saturday had been the slowest news day ever, that march would still have received scant attention. Can't possibly let Murcans know that there is significant and vocal opposition to chimp's war machine. CNN = Communicate No News

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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 04:15 PM
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31. When I went to the Women's Rights March in April 2004, there were
Edited on Tue Sep-27-05 04:17 PM by BrklynLiberal
one million people there. There was no hurricane to distract the media.
There was virtually no coverage of it in the media. You would have thought it would have been on the front page of every paper in the country.. ONE MILLION PEOPLE ON THE MALL IN WASHINGTON DC!!!

There were no media vans, no helicoptors, no reporters, no microphones..NOTHING. It was like we were invisible.

My friends at home said there was nothing on the news anywhere. One friend said she finally found a little coverage on CSPAN.
I remember looking for pictures to be on the front pages of the NYTimes the next day..Sunday! There was one small picture inside, on page 7 or something..and next to it, was an equal size photo of the 15 anti-abortion protestors that were there. THAT was the extent of the coverage.

It truly was as if we were inivisible. One milliion invisible people..

Edited for typos..of course.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 01:03 AM
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35. This is common to Totalitarian Nations like Imperial Amerika
And it is nothing new. Since Old America died in late 2000, such "invisibility" goes hand in hand with the institutionalized false magnification of the Busheviks.

It is amazing and frightening and enraging.

Just a taste of what the Germans (those who didn't belong to the Bush Party of that day) must have felt.

Just a taste, because for the moment, our Nazis are kinder and gentler.
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Synnical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 05:36 PM
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33. FAIR Media Advisory: Disappearing Antiwar Protests
Received via e-mail:


Media Advisory

Disappearing Antiwar Protests
Media shrug off mass movement against war

9/27/05

Hundreds of thousands of Americans around the country protested the Iraq War on the weekend of September 24-25, with the largest demonstration bringing between 100,000 and 300,000 to Washington, D.C. on Saturday.

But if you relied on television for your news, you'd hardly know the protests happened at all. According to the Nexis news database, the only mention on the network newscasts that Saturday came on the NBC Nightly News, where the massive march received all of 87 words. (ABC World News Tonight transcripts were not available for September 24, possibly due to pre-emption by college football.)

Cable coverage wasn't much better. CNN, for example, made only passing references to the weekend protests. CNN anchor Aaron Brown offered an interesting explanation (9/24/05):

"There was a huge 100,000 people in Washington protesting the war in Iraq today, and I sometimes today feel like I've heard from all 100,000 upset that they did not get any coverage, and it's true they didn't get any coverage. Many of them see conspiracy. I assure you there is none, but it's just the national story today and the national conversation today is the hurricane that put millions and millions of people at risk, and it's just kind of an accident of bad timing, and I know that won't satisfy anyone but that's the truth of it."

To hear Brown tell it, a 24-hour cable news channel is somehow unable to cover more than one story at a time-- and the "national conversation" is something that CNN just listens in on, rather than helping to determine through its coverage choices.

The following day (9/25/05), the network's Sunday morning shows had an opportunity to at least reflect on the significance of the anti-war movement. With a panel consisting of three New York Times columnists, Tim Russert mentioned the march briefly in one question to Maureen Dowd-- which ended up being about how the antiwar movement might affect Hillary Rodham Clinton's presidential chances.

On ABC's This Week, host George Stephanopoulos observed, "We've seen polls across the board suggesting that we're bogged down now in Iraq and now you have this growing protest movement. Do you believe that we're reaching a tipping point in public opinion?" That question was put to pro-war Republican Sen. John McCain, who responded by inaccurately claiming: "Most polls I see, that most Americans believe still that we have to stay the course.... I certainly understand the dissatisfaction of the American people but I think most of them still want to stay the course and we have to."

A recent CBS/New York Times poll (9/9-13/05) found 52 percent support for leaving Iraq "as soon as possible." A similar Gallup poll (9/16-18) found that 33 percent of the public want some troops withdrawn, with another 30 percent wanting all the troops withdrawn. Only 34 percent wanted to maintain or increase troop levels--positions that could be described as wanting to "stay the course." Stephanopoulos, however, failed to challenge McCain's false claim.

(An L.A. Times recap of the protests--9/25/05-- included a misleading reference to the Gallup poll, reporting that while the war is seen as a "mistake" by 59 percent of respondents, "There remains, however, widespread disagreement about the best solution. The same poll showed that 30 percent of Americans favored a total troop withdrawal, though 26 percent favored maintaining the current level." By leaving out the 33 percent of those polled who wanted to decrease troop numbers, the paper gave a misleading impression of closely divided opinion.)

On Fox News Sunday (9/25/05), panelist Juan Williams was rebuked by his colleagues when he noted that public opinion had turned in favor of pulling out of Iraq. Fellow Fox panelist and NPR reporter Mara Liasson responded, "Oh, I don't think that's true," a sentiment echoed by Fox panelist Brit Hume. When Williams brought up the Saudi foreign minister's statement that foreign troops were not helping to stabilize Iraq, panelist William Kristol retorted: "So now the American left is with the House of Saud." (That was, if anything, a more complimentary take on the protesters than was found in Fox's news reporting, when White House correspondent Jim Angle-- 9/26/05-- referred to them as "disparate groups united by their hatred of President Bush, in particular, and U.S. policies in general.")

Another feature of the protest coverage was a tendency to treat a tiny group of pro-war hecklers as somehow equivalent to the massive anti-war gathering. NBC's Today show (9/25/05) had a report that gave a sentence to each: "Opponents and supporters of the war marched in cities across the nation on Saturday. In the nation's capital an estimated 100,000 war protestors marched near the White House. A few hundreds supporters of the war lined the route in a counterdemonstration."

Reports on NBC Nightly News and CBS Sunday Morning were similarly "balanced," and a September 26 USA Today report gave nearly equal space to the counter-demonstrators and their concerns, though the paper reported that their pro-war rally attracted just 400 participants (that is, less than half of 1 percent of the number of antiwar marchers).

In a headline that summed up the absurdity of this type of coverage, the Washington Post reported (9/25/05): "Smaller but Spirited Crowd Protests Antiwar March; More Than 200 Say They Represent Majority." Perhaps this "crowd" felt that way because they've grown accustomed to a media system that so frequently echoes their views, while keeping antiwar voices--representing the actual majority opinion--off the radar.
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