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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 06:07 PM
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"The Secret History of Able Danger": what is being hidden
WP: William M. Arkin on National and Homeland Security
Posted at 08:38 AM ET, 09/27/2005
The Secret History of Able Danger


Ever since Rep. Curt Weldon (R-PA) claimed in August that Pentagon analysts had identified 9/11 ringleader Mohammed Atta in early 2000, a secret intelligence operation code named Able Danger has become the latest fantasy of left and right wing conspiracy theorists.

The matter was to have come to a head last week when the Senate Judiciary Committee held a special Able Danger hearing. But the Pentagon declined to allow even unclassified testimony at the open hearing, arguing that the matter better rested with the Intelligence Committee.

Chairman Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA) accused the Pentagon of "stonewalling," and all of a sudden, Weldon seemed vindicated in his claims that the Defense Department, and the 9/11 Commission, had something to hide.

The Pentagon is hiding something. But it’s not what Weldon thinks.

First, to debunk the myths:

As best as I can determine, having spent tens of hours talking to military sources involved with the issue, intelligence analysts did not identify anyone prior to 9/11, Mohammed Atta included, as a suspect in any upcoming terrorist attack.

It is not even clear that a "Mohammed Atta" was identified, let alone that it is the same Atta who died on 9/11.

No military lawyers prevented intelligence sleuths from passing useful information to the FBI.

Able Danger itself was not an intelligence program....

(The piece goes on at some length, ending with the following paragraph.)

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Using the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and associated lists of suspect individuals as a starting point, LIWA began to compile databases of "associated" individuals, and then they began to "data mine" their mountains of collected records to find links between them. What they ended up with—and what is still being hidden today—is the questionable (read: potentially illegal) collection and acquisition of information on American citizens before and after 9/11.


http://blogs.washingtonpost.com/earlywarning/
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 06:14 PM
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1. Interesting that the Post is not investigating, but trying to say there
is no story here. Since when has the Post worked so hard to discourage investigating. Just because his military sources aren't talking means squat. This tells me that there must be a lot more here than they want us to know. No connection to Abramoff, either. Hmmmmmm.

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Monkey see Monkey Do Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 10:20 AM
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6. Arkin's worth listening to
He's the guy who broke the P2OG proposal and who royally fucked off Bush & the DoD by releasing a book outing thousands of military codenames used (http://www.codenames.org/).

(btw - for full disclosure, I'm highly skeptical of the so-called "Able Danger" story)
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lcordero2 Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 06:17 PM
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2. I will take this opportunity to post these two stories
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 06:18 PM
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3. "Atta's Big Gamble. Plus: Jack Abramoff's Link To A Mysterious Saudi

"Atta's Big Gamble. Plus: Jack Abramoff's Link To A Mysterious Saudi


THE BRAD BLOG: "Atta's Big Gamble. Plus: Jack Abramoff's Link To A Mysterious Saudi -- And Perhaps To Al Qaeda"

Guest blogged by Joseph Cannon

You have probably never heard of Makram Chams. It's time you met him.

Actually, you can't physically meet him -- he disappeared on September 11, 2001. I bring him to your attention for two reasons:


He knew, and apparently aided, Mohammed Atta and the other 9/11 terrorists.


He owned a casino ship in Florida.


Yes, a casino ship -- just like the SunCruz ships owned by Jack Abramoff, the recently-indicted Republican money-man and wheeler-dealer. According to Associated Press, the terrorists took a mysterious trip on a SunCruz ship on September 5, 2001. And that trip is of great interest for three reasons:


SunCruz ships were under investigation for involvement in money laundering and other unsavory activities.

Al Qaeda operatives made a number of mysterious casino jaunts in that era; few believe that they were hard-core gamblers.

Al Qaeda was funded by drug money. Drug money must needs be laundered. Casinos have been known to be used for that purpose. Casino ships are unregulated.


So with that background in mind, let's learn more about the mysterious Makram Chams (whose first name is sometimes transliterated as Meekram).

My information was kindly provided by the estimable Daniel Hopsicker, of Mad Cow Morning News. I'm trying to double check the Makram Chams story (which is mentioned on one of his documentary videos, but is not on his website) to the limited extent that I can.

Hopsicker learned from eyewitnesses -- including a cab driver who drove Atta on a number of occasions, and who told this story to the FBI -- that Atta frequently visited Makram Chams, a Lebanese who lived above a convenience store that he owned.

At one point, Chams asked the cab driver to take him to the Orlando Executive Airport. There, Chams picked up an Armani-suited Saudi businessman and his wife, who wore traditional Arab attire. The driver then took this party back to Chams' apartment. (After 9/11, the FBI reviewed surveillance tapes of this pick-up, which is how they learned of the driver.)

Weeks later, the same driver was asked to take the Saudi's wife back the airport. But now they were carrying extra luggage -- extremely heavy luggage. It was a chest so heavy that two men had to transport it. An intelligence source contacted by Hopsicker felt certain that this chest contained gold.

Chams was no mere convenience store operator. He co-owned (along with one other investor) a casino ship called Vegas-in-Venice. This ship attracted a fair amount of attention because it had been left illegally in the harbor for over a year. We have no word as to what happened to this ship, or how Chams paid for it. Was he a front man? Was the ship purchased by SunCruz?

After 9/11, Makram Chams disappeared, and his store remains shuttered.

Just like Welfare, Modern Medicine must end: 60 years of it and we still have illness in US

by lawnorder on Tue Sep 27th, 2005 at 07:40:44 PDT
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Follow/click links between SunCruz (none / 0)

and 911 guys.

Here's more info, see especially the second one (cached AP). Note, though everyone mentions Atta specifically, the original source AP story mentions only "some of the men suspected in the terrorist attacks", "two or three men linked to the Sept. 11 hijackings" and "manager recognized one of the suspected terrorists." - Video of that man given to FBI. Note that Atta's name is not mentioned. Still, it's amazing enough.

Some info here and especially -->> here (full text of original followup story by AP, Sep. 27, 2001).

AP Sep. 27 - On the Port Canaveral ship, the casino manager recognized one of the suspected terrorists as someone who may have frequented the vessel. Video of that man is being turned over to the FBI either later Wednesday or early Thursday.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/27/41028/0006


"3 arrested in gangland-style murder of Suncruz founder 'Gus' Boulis - Abramoff"

By CURT ANDERSON
Associated Press
Posted September 27 2005, 11:56 AM EDT


FORT LAUDERDALE -- Three men were charged with the 2001 gangland-style slaying of Miami businessman Konstantinos ``Gus'' Boulis, whose sale of a casino boat fleet to Jack Abramoff and a partner has led to federal charges against the prominent Washington lobbyist.

Anthony Ferrari was arrested at his North Miami Beach home Monday evening, Fort Lauderdale police said in a statement Tuesday. Fort Lauderdale homicide detectives arrested Anthony Moscatiello, 67, at his Howard Beach home in New York late Monday, police said.

Moscatiello and Ferrari, 48, were once paid by Adam Kidan, Abramoff's partner in the SunCruz Casinos sale, according to court documents in lawsuits filed about the sale.

Kidan paid Ferrari $95,000 when he was running SunCruz, but it is unclear what it was for, according to the documents. Kidan paid Moscatiello's daughter Jennifer $145,000 for his work as a food and beverage consultant at SunCruz, according to court documents.

Ferrari was being held at the Broward County Jail, sheriff's spokesman Jim Leljedal said. A third man, 28-year-old James Fiorillo, was arrested Tuesday in Palm Coast.

Moscatiello and Ferrari were charged with first-degree murder, conspiracy to commit murder and solicitation to commit murder, police said. Fiorillo was charged with first-degree murder and conspiracy to commit murder. All three were scheduled to appear in court either Tuesday or Wednesday.

more
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-927boulismurder,0,6594337.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines








The Terrorist Who Came To The White House

Feb 2003 - Sami Al-Arian and seven other people were arrested in Tampa last week on charges of financing, organizing, and materially abetting Palestinian Islamic Jihad.. prosecutors laid out in some detail the role played by Al-Arian, a professor at the University of South Florida, as the terrorists' chief US operative

A résumé like that should have made Al-Arian radioactive -- the kind of person anyone with political ambitions or decent instincts would shun. So why in the world would he be treated as a friend and ally by -- of all people -- George W. Bush?

Why, for example, did Bush make a point of posing for pictures with Al-Arian and his family during a 2000 campaign stop in Tampa? Why was Al-Arian not only invited to a White House briefing given by Bush aide Karl Rove in June 2001 -- against the advice of the Secret Service -- but honored with a front-row seat? Why was his son Abdullah invited to yet another White House meeting a few days later? And when the Secret Service properly pronounced Abdullah a security risk and removed him from the building, why did Bush bend over backward to apologize and order his security staff and spokesman to issue apologies as well?

Sami Al Arian's friends in high places: Grover Norquist
On 10/23/2003 John Loftus attends Countdown with our favorite MSNBC man Olbermann

How could these guys operate for more than a decade immune from prosecution? And, the answer is coming out in a very strange place. What Alamoudi and al-Arian have in common is a guy named Grover Norquist. He's the super lobbyist. Newt Gingrich's guy, the one the NRA calls on, head of American taxpayers. He is the guy that was hired by Alamoudi to head up the Islamic institute and he's the registered agent for Alamoudi, personally, and for the Islamic Institute.

Grover Norquist's best friend is Karl Rove, the White House chief of staff, and apparently Norquist was able to fix things. He got extreme right wing Muslim people to be the gatekeepers in the White House. That's why moderate Americans couldn't speak out after 9/11. Moderate Muslims couldn't get into the White House because Norquist's friends were blocking their access.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/27/41028/0006
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 06:22 PM
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