Feingold's making his first campaign speech on Senate floor now

[realFedUp]

save your breath.

[iamjoy]

1. After Voting For Roberts?

he will have to explain that first.

[wuushew]

3. how do you quantify "too" conservative

if it is something that can be identified and measured the forces of compromise can lead to candidate that are mathematic averages between the views of the minority and majority parties.

Everyone here seems to angry because the vote was not a party line vote.

[LSK]

2. what does he say?

"I just fvcked you, now vote for me!"

[LittleClarkie]

4. That's a lousy spin when it's on Kerry

It's still a lousy spin when it's on Feingold.

He called for a timetable to get out of Iraq, saying the military is dangerously weakened, and Katrina pointed that up. He did that a month or two ago as well. We rather liked it then. We didn't label it a campaign speech then either.



So do we not still support the words?

[LSK]

5. didnt you make a thread about not supporting the person, but the ideas?

I think Feingold deserves a little venom at the moment. Unless you agree with voting for Roberts? At least for today...

[LittleClarkie]

8. That's sorta upside down

Support the idea, even if you don't support the person. But I also generally give kudos to the person saying it, even if I have no intention of voting for them in 2008.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch...

Okay he deserves venom. So give it to him. ON THE ROBERTS VOTE. Not on the speech he's giving now, incorrectly labeling it his first campaign speech when it's the SAME damn speech he gave a couple of months ago.

I'm just asking for alittle aim with the rant cannon is all. Aim for the vote, not the speech! It's a good speech, filled with good things we've all been saying. And yet it's being downgraded to nothing but campaign rhetoric. How does that support the words, even if you're not supporting the man?

Do you see what I'm saying?

[LSK]

9. yes I can agree that the OP didnt give us a clue on what he said n/t

[realFedUp]

18. Sure I support the words

and would more strongly support actions to remove
American troops from Iraq AND this was clearly
a kick off Presidential speech which to some is
good and to some isn't.

He came out strong today on the one topic many
Americans know about him...his stand and vote
against illegally invading Iraq, which is commendable.

I don't like that he made a strong argument for voting
against Roberts and then voted for him. Some would
say he's saving his powder for the next nominee.
I think that's a big mistake because as I said from
the day Roberts was nominated...Roberts has documented
his personal ideology in curtailing civil rights for
a broad number of people, was a political hack in
Bush v Gore and frankly didn't answer questions
during the hearings (although I thought most didn't
probe hard enough, considering this is a lifetime
appointment).

Mark my words, Roberts will not be a Judge Souter
and he will be to the right of Scalia and far more
vocal than Thomas. This was the nominee to filibuster
and at the least the one all Dems should not have
given a pass to, even though they are in the minority.

The civil rights groups that most of us support with
money, time, signatures came out against Roberts with
good reason and for Senate Dems to ignore those materials
and warnings, was turning their backs on us.

[mtnester]

6. Agree with the save your breath comment

there will be better grassroots candidates than Feingold...you know, the ones that actually stood up for us? Them kind.

[Goblinmonger]

13. Like all the ones that voted against the Patriot Act

oh, yeah, wait, that was just Feingold that did that.

He voted for Roberts because he feels that a president should be able to make appointments and have them approved unless the person is not qualified. Feingold voted against Ashcroft and Bolton on those terms. He feels that Roberts is qualified for the position. I think it is a pretty damn noble position on Feingold's part. Do I want Roberts as SC Justice? No. But Feingold seems to be sticking to a spirit of bipartisanship that would be good if everyone did.

[ewagner]

7. I don't understand

I know Russ is employing some complicated political calculus in posturing for a Presidential Nomination run in '08 but I don't understand the calculus.

Does he really think there is still a "middle" out there?

Are there still moderates who would vote for a "conservative Dem" or a "Liberal Repub"?

I think, he's mistaken. I think we're too polarized for that. I think there may be one issue (war maybe, corruption maybe) that will push the "numbers" over 50.0000001%, but trying to appease the great "middle" is futile.

[LittleClarkie]

12. No, he's just being Russ

it just looks complicated because you're looking for a pattern that isn't there.

I hate the "he's running in 2008" lens. It's distorting.

Whatever you're getting here, he is what he is. And that's not calculating.

[mzteris]

10. I just got a "survey" from Feingold

one of those fundraising tactics..... same day I got the DNC one I think.......

I'm not sure why he sent one to me - I'm not even a constituent - though I have written him on occasion I suppose......

at any rate, I'm going to enjoy writing back what I think of his VOTE on Roberts.

[LittleClarkie]

14. Knock yourself out. Yeah, it's because you wrote him probably

Let him know what you think. That's what the thing's SUPPOSED to be about, right?

I got one too, but at least I'm a constituent. I've also gotten the same fundraising letter disguised as a survey from Hillary, the Sierra Club and the League of Women Voters. I'm on some sort of Democrat mailing list now. Thrillsville. (shakes her fist at the DNC for selling her name)

[adarling]

11. They are on the warpath though

Boxer and him are saying some tough stuff i havent heard on the senate floor, though it is all moot on Feingold's part cause he voted for roberts

[Goblinmonger]

15. Oh, come on.

So because Feingold voted for a SC nominee, anything he has to say about any other issue is not moot. What kind of a logical pattern is that?

[safi0]

16. I agree

[adarling]

17. ahh your right

just pissed about the nomination and the whole bipartisan crap. Happy though they are going off on this