Larry Franklin to plead!

[H2O Man]

Fox News just reported that Larry Franklin will plead guilty next Wednesday!

[tompayne1]

1. who is

larry franklin? pardon my ignorance.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

4. I'm ignorant, too. Explain?

[H2O Man]

6. Larry is

at the center of the AIPAC/neocon spy scandal.

[tsuki]

94. That's the AIPAC/Conservative spy scandal.

[Greeby]

7. He's the DoD analyst who gave secrets to AIPAC

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Franklin

[texpatriot2004]

72. Oh, that's what AIPAC is

"...the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), the foremost pro-Israel lobbying organization in the U.S..."

[charlie]

8. AF Colonel

Charged with passing classified US policy documents to Israel through AIPAC.

[MildyRules]

88. To be accurate

he's a Reserve Colonel. Not an active duty one.

[acmejack]

10. A spy!

Here is a piece telling about it. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5853706/site/newsweek/

[Fleshdancer]

9. Pentagon analyst who passed classified info to pro-Israeli lobbyists

and to an Israeli official.

[seemslikeadream]

11. Here

Analyst Charged With Passing Iran Info: Franklin Turned Self InTo FBI
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1444053
Fieth resigns from Pentagon today
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1186412
Former CIA official looks to leak the truth
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=886884
New Israeli spy probe has a 30-year history, insiders say
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=852863
Israel's Mole Inside the Pentagon
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=783161
FBI probes Jewish sway on Bush government
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=802725
Money from Iran Fuels Iraq Insurgency -Rumsfeld
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=810129
Israeli spy nest in the U.S. - Ashcroft says: ’Don’t arrest them!’
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=802249
FBI probes DOD office (spy probe widens)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph
p?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=784155
F.B.I said to reach official suspected of passing secrets ....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=786361
Analyst Who Is Target of Probe Went to Israel
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=784792
Knight Ridder:FBI espionage probe goes beyond Israeli allegations
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=784274
Pentagon Analyst Was Cooperating When Israel Spy Case Became Public
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=786505
Iran-Contra II? Fresh scrutiny on rogue Pentagon operation -Josh Marshall
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=784906
AIPAC's Overt and Covert Ops
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=788267
UK Express: (Perle) Faces (FBI) Quiz Over Links to Israeli Spy
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=785131
Israel Says It Has No Need to Spy on U.S.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=787437
F.B.I. Is Said to Brief Pentagon Bosses on Spy Case; Charges Are Possible
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=788936
LAT: FBI Questions Israeli Lobbyists (AIPAC) in Spying Probe ((Gilon mentioned)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=789576
FBI briefs Wolfowitz on Israeli spy claim
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=790076
F.B.I. Interviews 2 Suspected of Passing Secrets to Israel
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=792950
FBI seizes computer from AIPAC offices
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=791564
Pentagon Office in Spying Case Was Focus of Iran Debate
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=795432
Leak Probe More Than 2 Years Old (AIPAC)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=795905
AIPAC hires lawyers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=794332
Spy probe scans neo-cons' Israel ties (long article from Asia Times)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=794029
FBI Informed White House of AIPAC Probe Two Years Ago
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=797181
Alleged Pentagon Leak to Iraqi Is Under Investigation
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=798060
Serving Two Flags The Bush Neo-Cons and Israel
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=799167
Israeli political advisor may have received U.S. secrets
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=795817
Wider FBI Probe Of Pentagon Leaks Includes Chalabi - WaPo
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=798333
LAT: Israel Has Long Spied on US,Say Officials(but CIA, Mossad "intimate")
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=798631
Defense, Cheney Iran Specialists Questioned in (Israeli Spy) Probe
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=801031
Leak Inquiry Includes Iran Experts in Administration (WaPo)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=801678
A Web Of Intrigue Inside the Israel espionage investigation
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=803022
Pro-Israel Lobby Has Strong VoiceAIPAC Is Embroiled in Investigation of Pe
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=803035
Israel's Mole Inside the Pentagon
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=783161
FBI probes possible Pentagon leak to Iraqi exiles
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=805885
Reporters' Files Subpoenaed
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=815381
Secrets: Classified Info: Springing a Leak
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x803017

[robertpaulsen]

41. For this post alone, this thread should be bookmarked.

Thanks seemslikeadream! Any AIPAC researcher should read all these.

[hootinholler]

58. Concur.

About sums it up, and these people are still free to move about the country.

So. tired.

-Hoot

[al bupp]

64. Great collection of links on this topic

Good to see you're still hanging around, Dream! :hi:

[NewJeffCT]

85. morning kick - will Bush do a mass pardon?

Do you think if this goes too much further, Bush will issue a mass pardon to "put it all behind us" and then blame an out of control partisan Democratic prosecutor in Fitzgerald?

That's my biggest worry with this. If Poppy Bush hadn't done similar regarding Iran-Contra, a lot of the folks involved in the * scandals would still be rotting in jail, or would have been so tainted, they'd never be able to get a job in government again.

[SlowDownFast]

113. Damn. You can always count on seemslikeadream

for a schooling.

[seemslikeadream]

116. utopiansecretagent, Mi lub yu kyaan done

Get up, stand up: stand up for your rights!
Get up, stand up: stand up for your rights!
Get up, stand up: stand up for your rights!
Get up, stand up: don’t give up the fight!

Preacherman, don’t tell me,
Heaven is under the earth.
I know you don’t know
What life is really worth.
It’s not all that glitters is gold;
’alf the story has never been told:
So now you see the light, eh!
Stand up for your rights. come on!

Get up, stand up: stand up for your rights!
Get up, stand up: don’t give up the fight!
Get up, stand up: stand up for your rights!
Get up, stand up: don’t give up the fight!

Most people think,
Great God will come from the skies,
Take away everything
And make everybody feel high.
But if you know what life is worth,
You will look for yours on earth:
And now you see the light,
You stand up for your rights. jah!

Get up, stand up! (jah, jah!)
Stand up for your rights! (oh-hoo!)
Get up, stand up! (get up, stand up!)
Don’t give up the fight! (life is your right!)
Get up, stand up! (so we can’t give up the fight!)
Stand up for your rights! (lord, lord!)
Get up, stand up! (keep on struggling on!)
Don’t give up the fight! (yeah!)

We sick an’ tired of-a your ism-skism game -
Dyin’ ’n’ goin’ to heaven in-a jesus’ name, lord.
We know when we understand:
Almighty God is a living man.
You can fool some people sometimes,
But you can’t fool all the people all the time.
So now we see the light (what you gonna do? ),
We gonna stand up for our rights! (yeah, yeah, yeah!)

So you better:
Get up, stand up! (in the morning! git it up!)
Stand up for your rights! (stand up for our rights!)
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Don’t give up the fight!


Jah Bless

Jah guide

[flyarm]

117. HERE IS A BIT ON LARRY FRANKLIN

http://www.juancole.com/2004_08_01_juancole_archive.html

Informed Comment : 08/01/2004 - 08/31/2004
MUST READ!

SNIP:

Tuesday, August 31, 2004

Franklin Met with Naor Gilon

The Israeli foreign ministry has confirmed that Lawrence Franklin, the Pentagon's top Iran desk officer, met repeatedly in Washington with "Naor Gilon, head of the political department at the Israeli Embassy in Washington, and a specialist on Iran's nuclear weapons program."

Gilon appears already to have been under surveillance by the FBI. At one point Franklin is said to have offered him a document, which he declined to take, but asked what it said and got an oral report. Gilon was unaware that he was being monitored and clearly thought he would be safe as long as he did not have any incriminating paper in his possession (conversations can be denied or spun, as long as they aren't taped).

Franklin did succeed in giving a confidential draft presidential directive on Iran to AIPAC officials, who then passed it to someone at the Israeli Embassy, perhaps Gilon. It is telling that the official took hard copy from AIPAC, presumably because he trusted them implicitly, whereas Gilon had rejected it from Franklin.

That Gilon is a specialist in Iran's nuclear weapons program suggests that Franklin wanted to consult with him about what the US should do about that issue. Gilon was "Director of the Division for Strategic and Military Affairs in the Center for Policy Research in Ministry of Foreign Affairs, from 2000-2002." Franklin harbors feelings of profound hatred for the regime in Tehran and wanted to see it destroyed.

[Fridays Child]

2. Is there a deal in the works?

Will he spill?

[H2O Man]

12. He had before.

Then pressures from the administration got him to pull back. He had a nancy, expensive lawyer, one he couldn't afford. (!) I think the lawyer convinced him that he needed to protect himself. This is potentially the most serious blow the administration has taken to date.

[Me.]

26. So Who Do You Think

he's given up?

[acmejack]

14. I pray he does!

I know he can tell interesting tales of AIPAC & Israeli intrigue. There is much more ot this than meets the eye.

[robertpaulsen]

3. Great!

Anymore on the other two?

:hi:

[H2O Man]

15. Hey!

Long time coming, eh? No word on the other two. But in order for him to get a deal, I'd think it's a safe bet he's going to help nail them. That means that their attorneys are going to suggest they protect themselves .... and, robertpaulsen, you and I both know what direction that leads to!

[robertpaulsen]

22. Get ready for a bloody October!

Looks like AIPAC-Plame is going to converge within the next five weeks! Add that to the Sibel Edmonds case going before SCOTUS and there's going to be some bloodshed.

[NewJeffCT]

28. we can only hope

Can this be The Perfect Storm?

There are just too many names and too many people.

[H2O Man]

33. I think

we are entering a new phase.

[Carla in Ca]

78. Speaking of names, here is the list of people

in attendance in Rome 2001:

ROME MEETING IN DECEMBER 2001

Michael Ledeen organized a meeting in Rome to gather evidence to support the planned war. Present were:

1. Michael Ledeen, Karl Rove’s foreign policy advisor and organizer of the meeting

2. Nicolo Pollari, head of the the Italian equivalent of the CIA, the SISMI

3. Italy’s Minister of Defense, Antonio Martino (no relation apparently to the spy Rocco Martino), Pollari’s boss

4. Larry Franklin, an American who presently is being prosecuted in the US for giving classified information to an Israeli front group, AIPC (American Israel Public Affairs Committee) -- which some would call "spying," even though he has not been charged with espionage

5. Harold Rhode: member of Dick Cheney’s Office of Special Plans, protege of Ledeen, go-between with Iraqi exile and CIA asset (at the time) Ahmed Chalabi.

http://911blimp.net/graphics/BogusNigerDocLogo+.gif
the forged Niger doc and why it is such a LAUGHABLE Forgery. LOOK AT THE CORRECT SEAL IN COLOR AND THE ONE SOMEONE DREW!

This is why over 1,900 Americans are dead in Iraq. Never forget that my fellow Kossaks!



Great chronology at

<http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/29/194828/282>

[Sparkman]

109. What a HOAX and travisty of checks-n-balance governmental policy!

This is what we can get used to, more and more ineptitude in an abandoned public sector. Wait until the baby boomers retire and expose the growing apathy within our federal beauracracy, state agencies and professional oversight infrastructure.

[Me.]

29. You Too RP?

Five weeks? God my skin is jumping, with all of this about to hit the fan. Delay was only the appetizer.

[robertpaulsen]

34. Delay indicted. Frist investigated by SEC. Yeah, GREAT appetizers!

Now Franklin pleads guilty. This is only the beginning!

It's amazing how everything is converging. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that October will be one for the history books.

[seemslikeadream]

38. Ashcroft must testify!

http://www.nytimes.com/glogin?URI=http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/29/nyregion/29detain.html&OP=3b7f0c3fQ2FQ27VaQ7CQ27Q5BYQ5EkFYYT)Q27)jjfQ27jQ2BQ27)Q2BQ2774FaQ3EcY7Q27)Q2BQ5BaTHc7wlT@r


Top Officials Told to Testify in Muslims' Suit

By NINA BERNSTEIN
Published: September 29, 2005
A federal judge in Brooklyn ruled yesterday that former Attorney General John Ashcroft, the director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation and other top government officials will have to answer questions under oath in a lawsuit that accuses them of personally conspiring to violate the rights of Muslim immigrants held in a federal detention center in Brooklyn after 9/11.

The officials had sought to have the lawsuit dismissed without testimony, arguing in part that they had governmental immunity from its claims, that the court lacked jurisdiction because they live outside New York State, and that the Sept. 11 attacks created "special factors" outweighing the plaintiffs' right to sue for damages for constitutional violations.

But the judge, John Gleeson, of the United States District Court for the Eastern District of New York, rejected those arguments, allowing the case to proceed - and opening the door to depositions of Mr. Ashcroft and the F.B.I. director, Robert S. Mueller III, by lawyers for the two plaintiffs: Ehab Elmaghraby, an Egyptian immigrant who ran a restaurant in Times Square, and Javaid Iqbal, a Pakistani immigrant whose Long Island customers knew him as "the cable guy."

[H2O Man]

42. The times

they are a'changing.

[robertpaulsen]

44. I hope he's not going to stonewall like he did at the Kean Commission.

I'm sure we'll probably hear more BS about a "wall" preventing communication. On the bright side, he'll be under oath so maybe he can get nailed for perjury.

[Norquist Nemesis]

110. Ah yes, the old insanity by reason of 9/11 defense. n/t

[kohodog]

57. Drinks are on the house!

Strap on your seat belts. there's going to be a bit of turbulence.

Delay
Miller
Franklin
Frist
Abramoff
Safavian
Abu Garib Photos
Katrina
Brownie
Jim Beam

Coming soon to a court near you:
Rove
Libbey
Cheney

[H2O Man]

61. Drinks .....

I normally do not consume alcohol .... but today has been special, and there is a variety of beer and wine a couple rooms away. If I start singing Irish songs, you will know that I'm having a couple.

[kohodog]

62. HEY! This has been like climbing a mountain: we've had a few false peaks

In the last year or two. But the trees are getting smaller and the balsam is starting to smell strong.

Think we're finally close to the top?

[H2O Man]

65. Yes.

I think that things are coming together very well.

[The Magistrate]

70. Oh, See The Fleet-Foot Hosts Of Men

Who speed with faces wan
From farmstead and from fisher's hut
Along the banks o' the Ban
They come with vengeance in their eyes....

[SlowDownFast]

114. LOL! You deserve them H2O!

Thanks for all that you do.

Here's an Irish Diddley:


I Don't Want to Join the Army

I don't want to join the army
I don't want to go to war.
I would rather hang around
Picadilly's underground
A'livin off the earnings of a 'igh born lady

I don't want a bullet in me backside,
I don't want me buttocks (or arsehole) shot away.
I would rather stay in Lunnon,
Jolly, jolly Lunnon
And fornicate me bloomin' life away, Gor Blimey

Call out the Army and the Navy
Call out the rank and file.
Call out the brave Territorials
They face danger with a smile!
Call out the King's Militia
They kept England free!
Call out me brother
Me father or me mother
But for Gawd's sake don't call me.

Author unknown

[cascadiance]

59. Yep, this will be a Bloody Red October!

[H2O Man]

32. I believe so.

I was thinking five weeks. But the sooner, the better!

[seemslikeadream]

5. Does that mean he's talkin'?

:shrug:

[H2O Man]

16. I believe so.

Larry had given information a year ago; the administration got to him. But the prospect of a long incarceration gets people to make deals. And the prosecutor had Larry by the balls.

[seemslikeadream]

24. is expected to testify against the former AIPAC employees

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1127987659158



:hi:

[robertpaulsen]

30. YES! Rosen and Weissman are going down!

Now if only McNulty can pressure them to finger Feith and Hannah, things will really start to boil!

[H2O Man]

35. No one wants to go

to prison. Rosen and Weissman just aren't the type of guys that want to be incarcerated for even a few years. And their lawyers are going to talk to them, just as the lawyers did to the Watergate boys. The lawyers are going to try to do what's best for their client, not for Feith.

[Pithy Cherub]

13. The republican Culture of Corruption

is infested in the republican dominated Congress, the neo con Bush administration and the crazy ass right wing punditeers spewing against black folks.

Let the republican indictments flow like Cristal!

[H2O Man]

17. I think this

helps put the worried look on the president's face into context! This does not help them. This is one of the most important things that we needed.

[Tatiana]

18. Drip, drip drip...

There were just sprinkles before. It's starting to pour now.

The Republican culture of corruption is coming to an end.

[malaise]

86. Looks more like broken levees

than drips at this point.

[understandinglife]

19. WaPo and others carrying it ...

Defense Analyst to Plead Guilty in Leak Case

By Jerry Markon
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, September 29, 2005; 4:33 PM

A Defense Department analyst accused of passing government secrets to two employees of an influential pro-Israel lobbying group is scheduled to plead guilty next week, court officials announced today.

Lawrence A. Franklin, 58, will enter his plea in U.S. District Court in Alexandria Oct. 5, the court said. It is unclear what charge or charges he is planning to admit to, and any scheduled plea could collapse, even at the last minute.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/29/AR2005092901267.html

Google as of 1540PDT:

Defense Analyst Scheduled to Plead Guilty in Leak Case
Washington Post, United States - 2 hours ago
By Jerry Markon. A Defense Department analyst accused of passing government secrets to two employees of an influential pro-Israel ...

Plea bargain for analyst who gave information to Aipac
Jerusalem Post, Israel - 4 hours ago
Pentagon analyst Larry Franklin, charged with providing officials in the pro-Israel lobby (AIPAC) with classified defense information, has struck a plea ...

Guilty plea expected in Pentagon spy probe
CNN - 4 hours ago
ALEXANDRIA, Virginia (AP) -- A Pentagon analyst charged with providing classified information to an Israeli official and members of a pro-Israeli lobbying ...

Court says Pentagon analyst to plead guilty
ABC News - 4 hours ago
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A US court said on Thursday it expected a Pentagon analyst to plead guilty in a case involving classified information leaked to pro ...

Pentagon analyst to plead guilty to leak
Ynetnews, Israel - 5 hours ago
Lawrence A. Franklin, a Pentagon analyst indicted with leaking information to two members of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee and an Israeli ...

Pentagon analyst close to guilty plea
ABC News - 5 hours ago
Sep 29, 2005 — WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A federal court announced on Thursday that a Pentagon analyst charged with conspiring to disclose classified defense ...

Pentagon analyst will plead guilty to leaking information
USA Today - 5 hours ago
ALEXANDRIA, Va. (AP) — A Pentagon analyst charged with providing classified information to an Israeli official and members of ...

Pentagon Analyst to Plead Guilty to Leak
Newsday, NY - 6 hours ago
By Associated Press. ALEXANDRIA, Va. -- A Pentagon analyst charged with providing classified information to an Israeli official and ...

Pentagon Analyst to Plead Guilty to Leak
Washington Post, United States - 6 hours ago
ALEXANDRIA, Va. -- A Pentagon analyst charged with providing classified information to an Israeli official and members of a pro-Israeli ...

Pentagon Analyst Pleads Guilty
Arutz Sheva, Israel - 4 hours ago
(IsraelNN.com) Pentagon analyst Larry Franklin admitted guilt Thursday on one or more charges which include passing classified information to two pro-Israel ...

Pentagon analyst to plead guilty to leaking classified information
KASA, NM - 5 hours ago
ALEXANDRIA, Va. A US District Court Clerk spokesman says a Pentagon analyst charged with leaking classified information is going to plead guilty. ...

This rocks ....


Peace.

[H2O Man]

31. Great!

Now ain't that something? I'm as happy as I've been since old Tom Delay was indicted!

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

53. It's been a long 24 hours, Lol.

[seemslikeadream]

20. Plea bargain for analyst who gave information to AIPAC

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1127987659158


Plea bargain for analyst who gave information to AIPAC
By NATHAN GUTTMAN
Washington


Pentagon analyst Larry Franklin, charged with providing officials in the pro-Israel lobby (AIPAC) with classified defense information, has struck a plea bargain with the prosecution and is expected to testify against the former AIPAC employees in the case. Franklin will enter his guilty plea next Wednesday at the US District court in Alexandria, Virginia.

This latest development in the AIPAC case makes it clear that the main target of the federal investigation are now the two former lobby staffers – Steve Rosen, who was the policy director, and Keith Weissman, the senior Iran analyst. Both were fired from AIPAC last April and were indicted in August by a grand jury on charges of conspiring to receive and transfer classified information.

Reaching a plea bargain with Franklin will enable the federal prosecutors to strengthen their case against Rosen and Weissman by calling Franklin to the stand and having him testify that he had informed the AIPAC staffers that the information he was giving them is classified. This could weaken the AIPAC staffers defense, which is based on the claim they were not aware of the fact that the information they got was classified and that their contacts with Franklin should be seen as common practice for lobbyists in the US capital.

The indictment also mentions the fact that the AIPAC officials were in touch with Israeli diplomats and that they have transferred information they got from Franklin to the Israelis.

[H2O Man]

36. The implications

are outrageous.

[annabanana]

21. FOX reported this?

odd..
I wouldn't think they'd want to bring any attention to this at all

(maybe they didn't get the memo yet)

[H2O Man]

39. Right, right!

Someone's going to be in trouble with Sean Hannity. I can almost hear that turd saying this is no big deal, that it's politically motivated.

[Me.]

23. You're Batting A Thousand Today Feller!

And another domino goes by the wayside. Thank God for witches.

[librechik]

25. This crime is one of the accidental ripples from Plame

investigation.

Ha, he was going to plead innocent, but changed today!

I think that's a bit of a concession, should I retain hope?

[havocmom]

37. Does he have protection

Hate for him to fall out of any windows at this point, but would not be surprised by it.

[H2O Man]

43. Right.

Strange, I just said the same thing, before reading your post (you were first). Now isn't that something?

[havocmom]

68. LOL Havocdad says there are no coincidences, but plenty of tangent circles

and people you are just suppose to travel with in one way or the other.

Was thinking Ms J. Miller might need some too. ;)

[H2O Man]

40. It's very significant.

As you may recall, last summer old Larry was cooperating. Suddenly, he had a new attorney, provided by unknown sources. And he zipped his lips, and refused to cooperate.

Now, as another person pointed out, there's still time for him to change his mind. Hope old Larry doesn't get depressed, and go out sideways.

[Jose Diablo]

76. What is that fancy word, defenestrate I think it's called

When someone falls from a great height.

I wonder if he will take his shoes off.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

27. Excellent news!

I hope he spills the entire vat of rotten beans. Let the heads begin to roll.

[Me.]

45. Velvet Revolution Offers 100K Reward In PLame

"VelvetRevolution Launches ’Government Accountability Reward Fund’; $100K Reward for Information Leading to Arrest, Conviction of Corrupt Gov’t. Officials

To: National Desk, Legal Reporter

Contact: Ilene Proctor, 310-271-5857

SANTA MONICA, Calif., Sept. 29 /U.S. Newswire/ -- VelvetRevolution.us, a network of more than 120 progressive organizations seeking honest government, just launched the ’Government Accountability Reward Fund’ to induce whistleblowers to come forward with information about criminal activity by high government officials. Specifically, VR has a reward of up to $100,000 for information leading to the arrest and conviction of officials involved in the following three incidents: 1) the illegal outing of CIA Agent Valerie Plame, 2) the illegal payment of bribes to Congressman Dennis Hastert, and 3) the rigging of the 2004 Presidential election in Ohio. In the event more than one person provides information or information about more than one incident, the money will be split between the persons."

http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=8529

[Me.]

46. A Friend Just Emailed Me That

JUDY WAS RELEASED FROM JAIL? Anybody know anything about this? Did she make a deal?

[robertpaulsen]

47. Here's a link from Raw Story:

Thanks to cynanite for the link, the thread is also on GD.

NY Times reporter Judith Miller released from jail
RAW STORY

WASHINGTON - Judith Miller, The New York Times reporter who has been jailed since July 6 for refusing to identify a source, has been released, The Inquirer has learned.

Miller left an Alexandria, Va. jail late this afternoon, a jail official said.

She was released after she had a telephone conversation with the Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis Libby, sources said. In that conversation, Libby reaffirmed that he had released Miller from a promise of confidentiality more than a year ago, sources said.

The special prosecutor in the case, Patrick Fitzgerald, has sought to compel Miller to reveal her source to a grand jury investigating whether Bush administration officials leaked the name of a CIA covert officer, Valerie Plame.

more...

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/NY_Times_reporter_Judith_Miller_released_0929.html



Whattaya think? Is Libby throwing in the towel, or does he have a plan for coming out relatively unscathed?

Edited to add credit and above thought.

[Me.]

48. So It Was Scooter

better & better. No wonder Cheney's knees don't work.

[H2O Man]

49. Curious.

Isn't it? (grin)

[robertpaulsen]

50. LOL! I'm counting down for Cheney's next "heart attack".

Should be any week now. :)

[KoKo]

51. Thanks Much for the "Heads Up." Will read whole thread but this might

be very good news. Fingers crossed..anyway.

[H2O Man]

52. I think it is, KoKo01 !!!

I think that this is very significant. It is moving things in the direction that a lot of us here have been hoping for, for some time! Add to this that Judith Miller is apparently being released tomorrow, and that Scooter Libby has again given her the okay to testify, and we may be in business! You are one of the people who was in on the first threads more than 17 months ago. I'm really happy to be able to talk with "the old gang" tonight!

[Me.]

55. I Second That

Toes crossed too.

[despairing optimist]

54. Finally, breached levees are flooding over the right people

But it ain't over till it's over. Next year is going to be as interesting as it will be busy. The Rapture will just have to wait.

[Carla in Ca]

56. I think Grover Norquist got his 'bathtub' scenario

But it is the repugs who are drowning!

[Me.]

60. Do They Tape The Conversations Between Visitors and Cons?

Might Judy's conversation with Bolton have been taped?

[lateo]

63. Who are Steven J. Rosen and Keith Weissman? Any info? nt

[H2O Man]

66. They are from AIPAC.

I have a few articles about them & the role they have played on my blog.

[Me.]

67. The Two Men Who Worked For AIPAC

who are also charged. Theory is they, at least Rosen, is (are) Israeli spies.

[shance]

69. Why next Wednesday? Thats strange to say someone will plead next week.

n/t

[H2O Man]

82. Court date.

Everything is strange with this. Some articles note that Franklin could change his mind. He is under a huge amount of pressure. But Wednesday is when court is scheduled. One imagines that the prosecutor's office released the news, to make others sweat.

[lateo]

71. Is the Prince of Darkness involved?

Wasn't Richard Perle involved in some missle technology transfer to China during the Clinton years?

[H2O Man]

83. Some think that

Richard is involved in this.

[lateo]

108. Remember Loral?

Richard Perle tried to help them send missile technology to China.

[texpatriot2004]

73. Plead guilty to what exactly? Isn't that treason? Punishable by

death?

[H2O Man]

84. Espionage.

A very serious charge.

[Must_B_Free]

74. In before this Anti-Semetic inflammatory flamebait is locked!

[BuyingThyme]

77. Is that a joke?

[Must_B_Free]

79. Jesus! You had to ask?

:wow:

[BuyingThyme]

81. Yes.

I've been slammed as anti-Semitic for explaining what a neocon is.

[eleny]

75. One more domino tumbling over!

[ngGale]

80. Fox news reported this...

if so, there has to be a reason. Indictment's and pleas popping out all over the place. Maybe I can sleep in peace tonight...

[Obamarama]

87. "H2O Man too damned lazy to explain what he posts about!"

Would maybe A LITTLE background information be too much to ask for? I am so damned weary of posts where people laden their subject lines with exclamation points, then post relatively cryptic information and no links.

[seemslikeadream]

89. What do you think I'm here for? See post 11

:shrug:

That's not enough for you?

[Me.]

90. Considering The 1000s Of Threads

On both AIPAC & Plame and the multitudes of discussions about these subjects, you're going after the OP because you aren't informed?

[Obamarama]

91. FYI....

I'm not "uninformed." Democratic Undergound is a source of information for me, not a way of life. I don't live here and I don't breathe every ounce of information posted here and commit it to my longterm memory.

I also think most of my fellow DUers fall into the same general category. I also think it's rude to let others fill in the blank spots and make people scroll down through several posts to gather enough facts to udnerstand the intent of the OP.

That's why when I post something I think is significant I don't automatically assume that EVERYONE is going to know the details about whatever I'm posting about.

If it's important enough to post about, then it's important enough to give a rudimentary explanation of the details.

[Me.]

92. You Don't Have To Live On DU To Be Informed

As SLaD pointed out, the info is there if you want to make the effort. And as I pointed out, this, the Larry Franklin case, is not an obscure matter, and has been in the press, on television and on DU for over a year.

[Obamarama]

93. Still no excuse for OPs not to include cursory information....

I'm well aware of who Larry Franklin is, but I don't follow the day to day twists of this saga. So sue me.

[EFerrari]

98. (The problem is that you're complaining about one of the most

diligent posters on this board and one who, I might add, is under no obligation to please grazers.)

(Thank you H2OMan. I love all your threads.)

[Obamarama]

101. I'm not a grazer.....

See post below where I hold H2O man in high esteem. :-)

As for the "grazer" comment, just keep in mind that one of the greatest things about DU is that it is a treasure trove of vitally important information. That information is useless if people aren't clear on its importance, or if they have no idea where to look to gain a clearer perspective.

I once had the luxury of being able to spend about 2 hours a day on DU. I pursued all the various issues and stories into minute detail. The circumstances of my life have changed and I am now lucky if I get two hours a week to spend on DU. I am, unfortunately, beholden to the MSM to get the "news" of the day, and when I have the time I come to DU to find links to the REAL truth. And when I can't find them, or they are referred to in a cryptic fashion, it's frustrating.

And, just to clarify, my previous rant is less about me being inconvenienced, and more about providing information comprehensive enough to be understood by newcomers and DU novices. I didn't mean to attack H2O man personally, he just ended up being my whipping post for a lot of vague, cryptic posts, sans links or substantive info, that I've seen as of late on DU.

[H2O Man]

102. Thank you.

I appreciate your kind words. But perhaps I should have added a bit more to the OP. I thought it was about like saying, "Yippie, Tom Delay has been indicted!" Not everyone knows who our old and moldy Rep. Delay is, or what he was indicted for. Or worse, people might be familiar with Delay and his troubles, and not Larry Franklin and his. While Tom just has that attractive glow and charming personality that warms the heart of even the far left of the democratic party -- rock star status, movie star looks -- the truth is that he is just a common thug, who is no different than the sludge found in any county jail. Franklin's case, on the other hand, is not so common, and is of far greater significance. It is actually both the outgrowth Watergate, and the offspring of Iran-Contra. Thus, every person who wants to be a responsible citizen should know exactly who Larry is, and what he is pleading guilty to. Recognizing that his case is 1000 times more important than Delay's, I will try to do better.

[EFerrari]

104. What a news day we're having.

And it's only 6:50 out here on the coast.

[H2O Man]

107. I guess so!

Yesterday I was planning to prepare a presentation I have to give tomorrow. I ended up taking part in a couple fascinating DU discussions .... ones that a few people noted were what DU is like at its best. It would be easy to spend an equal amount of time on here today. But duty calls .... I don't want to be standing in front of a large audience tomorrow, and find myself talking about Larry Franklin and judith Miller. Then I'd really have people calling me lazy and worse!

[H2O Man]

95. SSShhh!!! Please!

Don't be exposing me like that! (grin) Dang! That's my secret .... being a lazy no-do-gooder! I'll pay you not to tell .... if you will loan me some money, of course.

Anyhow.

You are right. I was so darned excited, that I didn't include a lot of information in the OP. It is extremely significant, in terms of the neocon spy scandal, which involves AIPAC and the highest levels of the Bush administration.

Over the past 17 or 18 months, a large number of us have discussed this case, which I have described as a three-leaf clover (Plame, AIPAC, forgeries), on a series of threads that mant DUers believe are among the best of DU. People like RobertPaulsen have put a lot of effort into research papers that are well-known on DU and many other democratic/progressive sites.

And I should not take for granted that everyone is as familiar with the cases as to know who people like Larry Franklin, Judith Miller, or Scooter Libby are. Probably it would be good to have another review, for those who are more involved in other equally important activities. My posts do have a link to my blog, which has a number of ancient essays from July and August, which explain in greater detail who Larry is, and what the Plame/neocon spy scandal is about. I think there's enough there to satisfy even a weary soul like yourself.

[Obamarama]

96. LOL

First, hats off for responding in such a good-natured and humorous manner. The link to your blog (which I didn't see earlier) is definitely helpful.

Second, apology extended for seeming like I was ranting about YOU personally. I was just trying to make a point about an awful lot of posts I've been seeing here on DU lately that seem cryptic at best. I happened to read yours this morning, pre-caffiene fix and coming off a long, challenging week, so you were the recipient of the "kick the dog" theory. Sorry! :-)

Finally, a thank you to you and others who pursue this information in detail. You do a service to those of us who don't have time in our lives to follow all the various, misadministration scandals in detail. Just keep in mind that we may need a few clues in order to put some of the details of the bigger picure into context.

Peace. :toast:

[H2O Man]

97. No problem at all.

I was so darned happy that I darned near jumped out of my chair and did cartwheels and flips. I had trouble even writing the single sentence I did! And the strange thing is that few people find the unexplained hyper posts as mildly annoying as I do!

[Stephanie]

106. Most of DU has been following this story as it intersects Plame

Don't expect every post to spell out the basics for you if you haven't been keeping up - google is your friend.

And hostility does not earn you any points either.

[Coexist]

99. What an awesome, informative thread

what great news.

[seemslikeadream]

100. Ex-Aipac Aide To Seek Dismissal of Case - Steve Rosen

Ex-Aipac Aide To Seek Dismissal of Case

Will Cite Refusal Of Feds To Disclose Prime Evidence
By Ori Nir
September 30, 2005

WASHINGTON — Steve Rosen, the former pro-Israel lobbyist indicted last month for allegedly conspiring to obtain and disclose classified information, intends to ask a federal judge to dismiss his case on the grounds that the government has refused to disclose key evidence, the Forward has learned. According to sources close to the case, federal prosecutors are refusing to release recordings of phone conversations intercepted by the FBI, in which Rosen — a former top official at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee — allegedly referred to classified information that he had obtained. The prosecution contends that sharing this evidence with Rosen would constitute the disclosure of secret information.

Rosen's lawyer, Abbe Lowell, has argued that since Rosen was the one quoting or referring to the allegedly classified material, he has been exposed to it already, and therefore no damage could be done by letting him review it, sources said. Not permitting him to review the evidence, Lowell argued, would severely impede Rosen's ability to defend himself. Sources with intimate knowledge of the legal proceedings said that Lowell has told the prosecution and Judge T. S. Ellis III of the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia that failure to disclose such evidence should be regarded as cause for dismissing the case.

A dismissal, or even an order forcing more evidence to be shared, could bolster Jewish communal officials who say that Rosen and the other former Aipac official who has been indicted, Iran specialist Keith Weissman, are the victims of elements in the CIA, FBI and the Justice Department seeking to reduce the influence of the pro-Israel lobby. On the other hand, if the case goes to trial, it could cast an embarrassing spotlight on the ways in which Aipac collects information and wields power in Washington. The indictment charges that Rosen and Weissman passed classified material on to journalists and to diplomats of a foreign country, widely believed to be Israel.
The trial is scheduled to begin on January 3. Rosen and Weissman have pleaded not guilty, as has the Pentagon official, Larry Franklin, who allegedly passed the classified information on to them.
A spokesman for Lowell declined to confirm or deny that he disagrees with the prosecution over the disclosure of classified evidence.
At the August 16 hearing, when Rosen and Weissman appeared before Ellis, the judge expressed concern that attorneys for the two men were seeking too long a period of time to review the evidence relevant to the case. With the new complaint, it appears that some of the most critical evidence has yet to be disclosed to the defendants' lawyers.

Sources close to the case predict that proceedings will be riddled with technical and procedural disagreements, partially because the case is unfolding on uncharted legal ground: This is the first time that any individual is being tried for violating the specific section of the Espionage Act that served as the grounds for most of the indictment articles against Rosen and Weissman.

Aipac initially stood by the two men, but then pushed them out in April. The organization issued a statement saying that their activities do not comport with the organization's standards. An Aipac official told the Forward that the organization had been informed by the Department of Justice that it would not be a target of the investigation if it took several steps, including the firing of Rosen and Weissman. An Aipac spokesman denied that the organization dismissed the two men to satisfy the Justice Department, saying the move was made independent of any discussions with prosecutors.

Despite its decision to dismiss Rosen and Weissman, Aipac continues to pay their legal fees, in accordance with the organization's bylaws, sources close to Aipac confirmed. A spokesman for Aipac had no comment regarding Rosen's and Weissman's legal fees.
Aipac's membership has almost doubled since 2000, to 100,000 from 55,000, and its annual operating budget has more than doubled, to more than $40 million from $17 million. Sources close to the organization said that this fundraising year, which ends this week, may bring in as much as $47 million. Aipac has also established a capital fund and a building fund. By the end of 2007, Aipac for the first time will be housed in its own building, located a few blocks from the Capitol.

...

One of the hallmarks of the restructuring is that the congressional and executive-branch lobbying departments, run separately for years, will be rolled into one outfit. It will be headed jointly by Brad Gordon, who currently runs congressional lobbying, and Marvin Feuer, a senior defense analyst. In the wake of the FBI investigation, some critics have said that Rosen relied too heavily on the executive branch and allegedly became embroiled in its secrets. Feuer has assumed Rosen's responsibilities.

The changes have been in the works since 2003, all the sources said, and predate the FBI raid last year that roiled the organization. Much of the organization's growth has to do with renewed activist interest in Israel since the breakdown of the peace process in 2000 and the outbreak of the Palestinian intifada, according to insiders. The momentum accelerated with the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

more

http://www.forward.com/articles/4034

[Me.]

103. So What Are The Chances

the case will be dismissed? Though the legal ground may be tricky, do these defendants have a leg to stand on?

[H2O Man]

105. They are hoping

for a procedural error for grounds to appeal on. It may be that the court rules that he is entitled to the information, but puts rigid guidelines on how they can use it in the pre-trial jockeying. It is common for attorneys to try to lay a foundation for an appeal; some of the most talented attorneys specialize in just that. But it also speaks to the strength of the prosecutor's case.

[seemslikeadream]

111. Who is Kenneth Pollack?

Did this book he wrote convince a lot of people, Democrats, that the Iraq war would be a good thing?





This highly influential book, written as the Bush administration turned its sights on Saddam Hussein’s regime, takes the reader back to the pre-war days of uncertainty about Saddam’s weapons and his ties to major terrorist organizations, outlining a powerful case for a U.S. invasion of Iraq. Senior Fellow Kenneth Pollack argues that to prevent Saddam from acquiring nuclear weapons, the United States has little choice to topple the regime, eradicate its weapons of mass destruction, and rebuild the country as a prosperous and stable society.

Pollack lays out five options available to the United States: bolstering containment, depending on a formal deterrence policy, mounting a covert action campaign, relying on airpower and the Iraqi opposition, and launching a full-scale invasion. Arguing the first four are no longer realistic, he concludes that only a full-scale invasion involving several hundred thousand American soldiers--what he terms the “least bad” option--can deal with the growing threat.

Pollack wisely argues that the United States must approach an invasion soberly and meticulously. The invasion force must be big enough to overwhelm the Iraqi armed forces and stifle Saddam's likely counterattacks; the United States must have the support of key Middle Eastern states; Washington should do everything it can to secure the support of its European and Asian allies; and it must be willing to commit the resources and the attention needed to rebuild a stable, prosperous Iraq once the war is over. In a prescient warning, Pollack cautions that if the United States is unwilling to make such commitments, an invasion could create as many problems as it solves.
http://www.cfr.org/publication.html?id=4876


BEHIND THE HEADLINES
Prominent Mideast analyst says he’s
U.S. official in case of ex-AIPAC men
By Matthew E. Berger
August 29, 2005



WASHINGTON, Aug. 29 (JTA) — Mideast analyst Kenneth Pollack is one of two U.S. government officials referenced in the indictment against two former staffers of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, JTA has learned.
But Pollack, who was a staffer on President Clinton’s National Security Council, said he didn’t give the AIPAC staffers any classified information. Pollack also said the information that Steve Rosen, AIPAC’s former director of foreign policy issues, is accused of passing on to a reporter could not have come from him.

“I believe I am USGO-1,” Pollack told JTA on Monday, using a term in the indictment for U.S. Government Official No. 1.


http://www.jta.org/page_view_story.asp?intarticleid=15781&intcategoryid=3

[Just Me]

112. These are exciting times,...very exciting times.

:bounce: The next few months are gonna be delicious. :9

[symbolman]

115. Franklin and

Miller are in a world of hurt, remember she said she feared for her life when she went into the slammer.. Bolton and his pal Fietz (who was double dealing with both the CIA and with the Bolton's rogue intel unit) are ones that I'm pretty sure leaked to Miller, Libby was just following orders from Cheney..

This is going to get really stinky and complicated, that's why I spent the last month finishing up my Rove's War double set DVD.. it's 2 and a half hours of total info, a chronology, side trips such as the meeting in Rome with Leeden, Karl Rove’s foreign policy advisor and organizer of the meeting..

Nicolo Pollari, head of the the Italian equivalent of the CIA, the SISMI

Italy’s Minister of Defense, Antonio Martino (no relation apparently to the spy Rocco Martino), Pollari’s boss

Larry Franklin, an American who presently is being prosecuted in the US for giving classified information to an Israeli front group, AIPC (American Israel Public Affairs Committee) -- which some would call "spying," even though he has not been charged with espionage

Harold Rhode: member of Dick Cheney’s Office of Special Plans, protege of Ledeen, go-between with Iraqi exile and CIA asset (at the time) Ahmed Chalabi.

Ledeen already had a longstanding friendship with Francesco Pazienza, an Italian felon and forger...

Plus lots of soundbites from Comedy Central's daily show, fun graphics and I wrote and performed a song for the end called "Secret Agent Plame" (like the old song "Secret Agent Man") for fun..

I plan to have it done over the weekend and start shipping - for all those who donated, I apologise for the delay, but I wanted to get it ALL in the film, and also have been to the emergency room twice this month, been really sick, but getting better..

especially with all this GREAT news!

The DVD film "Electile Dysfunction" has been stolen

[H2O Man]

118. "....he has not been charged with espionage."

It is true that Larry is not charged with violating 18 USC 793, known as "the Espionage Act." (In fact, I think that the plea agreement will result in more of the original 6 counts, since reduced to 5, being dropped.) However, it remains a counterintelligence case, and his actions were indeed the very definition of espionage. I do appreciate the distinction between being charged with the specific statute called the Espionage Act, and the range of criminal behavior and charges that define espionage, which is using people to access information from one government, and to provide it, secretly and illegally, to another government. Often DUers use the word "treason"; Larry has not committed acts of treason, as he is not anti-USA. However, as the charges against the people he passed the information on to shows (as well as the meetings he attended with foreign agents not charged), Larry was engaged in espionage.

[KG]

119. can't be true. isreal would never spy on the US.

:eyes: