Brazilians to vote on national gun ban - discussion on Wash. Journal

[donsu]

this morning.

I say more power to the Brazilians.

but most callers on c-span about wet their pants at the thought of a gun ban in the US

'however would they protect their families?' was a common plea. as if gun battles were going on in front yards all across the nation.

and they all shouted that the constitution practically commands americans to have guns. even after some callers said the constitution meant only to take up guns to protect the nation.

you'd of thought the guns were as precious as their penises.

it's the fearful racists who need their guns to give them the courage to carry out their racism.

I'm all for banning guns.

and a quick way to get rid of guns is to demolish bullet factories.

[BlueJazz]

1. Flame me if you want, Fellow DUer's, but I think Guns are...

...just "Dick Extenders"

[billbuckhead]

2. America's weak gun regulations show contempt for human life

No other advanced nation has these absurdly weak regulations.

[lcordero2]

5. gun control shows contempt for law abiding citizens

http://www.jpfo.org/GCA_68.htm

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GCA '68 puts your life at risk right now. You have a constitutional civil right to be armed in order to protect yourself, because under U.S law the police have no duty to protect the average person:

"There is no constitutional right to be protected by the state (or Federal) against being murdered by criminals or madmen. It is monstrous if the state fails to protect its residents against such predators but it does not violate the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, or, we suppose, any other provision of the Constitution. The Constitution is a charter of negative liberties: it tells the state (gov't) to let people alone; it does not require the federal government or the state to provide services, even so elementary a service as maintaining law and order"

(Bowers v. DeVito, U.S. Court of Appeals, Seventh Circuit, 686F.2d 616 <1982>).

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[moondust]

14. Every single murderer on Earth was once a law-abiding citizen.

If guns had not been readily available to them, most would have probably stayed that way.

[lcordero2]

21. how is this a valid argument to hindering me from

protecting myself?

This goes to you too Buckhead.

[billbuckhead]

15. US gun owners so law abiding they kill more people than Al Queda

America's absurdly weak gun regs permit almost as many deaths from guns as there are from car accidents. Think how often we use cars and it becomes apparent the deadly nature of guns and the terror they cause.

[Rolexman]

20. Well...

What will you do if your family is being threatened? Try calling the Police if you are being attacked.

Are you practicing to be a good witness?...911 may not get there quick enough

[lcordero2]

22. 911 WILL NEVER GET THERE QUICK ENOUGH

If so much as ONE CENT is stolen, then 911 is not quick enough. If so much as a hair is fractured, then 911 isn't quick enough.

[Rolexman]

23. What would be your method of defense?

If you or your family is threatened.. Happens all the time.. I see it in the news?..

Criminals dont follow laws, thats why they are criminals.. If you decide that a gun ban is in order, then only criminals will have guns.

Drugs are illegal.Do drug addicts follow the law?

[lcordero2]

25. didn't you read my other postings?

I advocate gun rights. You may think that it's a little to extreme but I also advocate the repealing of the National Firearms Act of 1934 along with the Gun Control Act of 1968. I don't feel secure in that the government can have machine guns and other types of heavy weaponry and it's populace can't.

[Rolexman]

26. I apologize.. No I didnt read your other posts..I'd like to add.

That the general populace can own NFA weapons. As a collector I too wish they were repealed. I paid a ridiculous amt of $$ for an 800.00 gun.

[lcordero2]

27. no need to apologize, I was trying to support your mode of

reasoning.

I wonder if Columbia(I think that's the name another user here) is still around.

[jpak]

28. Yo dude, I'm down with that!!!!

I needs me a M-60 and a couple boxes of link to protect me from all them riotin' negroes I seen on the TB in N'orlins...

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Rolexman]

29. Thats not a rational response by any means..

You dont use a collector piece for that..An M60s only practical purpose is at a gun range or in a safe..

They are pushing 30K on the collector market BTW....

[jpak]

30. Hey, I'm a certified Gun Nut - with emfisis on da "Nut"

C'aint hep it!!!

Ain't Skeered!!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[lcordero2]

31. huh

if the gun range is twice as big as a golf course

[lcordero2]

32. at least make it look somewhat convincing

put one of these in your posts

[Algorem]

3. Bush won't believe that many could be anti-gun.

[libnnc]

16. Brazilians and brazilians...n/t

[NorthernSpy]

4. the mark of a decent and well-ordered society...

... is that it maintains its peace in the presence of an armed citizenry. If your society cannot tolerate an armed citizenry, then your social structure is simply incapable of producing true peace and good order.

Gun control measures are typically attempts to make society safe for inequality and injustice.

I hope Brazilians will keep this in mind.

[Paladin]

6. Jeez. Tell Me You're Not Going To Say.....

...that "An armed society is a polite society." Spare us that, will you?

[NorthernSpy]

7. Man! Just WHAT is your problem with me, anyhow?

Tell Me You're Not Going To Say that "An armed society is a polite society." Spare us that, will you?

Wish granted! I haven't said that, and hadn't planned to. I was making an actual point, not repeating a slogan.

Jeez!

:eyes:

[lcordero2]

12. RIGHT ON brother

:toast: :woohoo:

[brokensymmetry]

8. Thank you.

It takes courage to say the truth; please accept my compliments.

[NorthernSpy]

11. it's nice of you to say that...

:)

[donsu]

9. did you think that up or are you quoting something?

which ever, I disagree completely.

[NorthernSpy]

10. I just wrote what I thought!

Go ahead and disagree. I don't mind.

[billbuckhead]

17. That's why Ireland now has the world's highest quality of life

They have almost as few guns per capita as Japan. Then there are those evil Kiwis down there in New Zealand. What a bunch of hooey from the gun lobby. These gun worshippers will say anything.

<http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_mur_wit_fir_cap>

[derby378]

13. My problems with gun control in Brazil are as follows...

First, the Brazilian police have had a long history of torturing political opponents and social activists. There are some high-crime areas of Brazil, and sometimes the cops have to get tough on some of the locals, but I'm opposed to torture on all grounds, even as a form of punishmment for a court conviction. And experience has shown us that societies that outlaw guns are more likely to oppress their citizenry than not.

Also, I refer you to the Amazon anti-logging activists who were murdered in Brazil by hitmen hired by lumber corporations to silence them forever. Deforestation of the Amazon and other South American rainforests is a serious matter, and I think activists have the right to prtect themselves with deadly force if their conscience allows.

Aside from that, I'd have to see more about what the gun ban entails. Are they talking about allowing only certain firearms for hunting, or are they discussing total confiscation, or what?

Amendment II Democrats

[lcordero2]

19. don't forget that Brazil also has a thriving black market for

internal organs.

[cire4]

18. Brazil has the fourth highest murder rate in the world....

The situation is starting to spiral out of control. They need to do something about it...

[CBGLuthier]

24. Allowing their citizens to vote on an issue

Don't these people understand how democracy works. You are supposed to kiss the ass of senators and representatives in the hope they will represent you.

Yes, I know america isn't a democracy. But we sure do like to pretend we are.

More power to them. So long as it does not contradict basic human rights, majority should decide these issues.