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Halliburton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 12:03 PM
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Judy and Scooter love letters released
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001220134

<snip>
closed the letter on this personal note (although he wasn't quite right on when autumn begins): "You went into jail in the summer. It is fall now. You will have stories to cover--Iraqi elections and suicide bombers, biological threats and the Iranian nuclear program. Out West, where you vacation, the aspens will already be turning. They turn in clusters, because their roots connect them. Come back to work---and life. Until then, you will remain in my thoughts and prayers."
<snip>

:puke:

What brought Scooter on to write this stuff anyway?

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YouthInAsia Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 12:06 PM
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1. Oh GAWD!!!!! BLEEEEECCHHHH
:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke::puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke::puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 12:43 PM
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25. I think roots connect means they are connected to Cheney!!!
giving her a pep talk and a threat!!!
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 12:07 PM
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2. This is satire, right?
Please tell me this is satire.

That whole thing about the aspens turning in clusters reminds me of those reading comprehension tests we took in grade school where they ask "which sentence disrupts the flow of the paragraph and should be deleted?"
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booksenkatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 12:26 PM
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19. ^ LMAO ^ nt
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 12:08 PM
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3. Whoa! Scooter?!
Who knew, Dude?
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 12:08 PM
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4. So not appropriate for their relationship.....unless?
This makes me wonder if they were having an affair. The released story makes no sense to me.

Why would the VP's chief of staff be writing things about turning aspens to a reporter? Much less to a reporter in jail for an unwarm and unfuzzy reason?

If I trusted Judith Miller's views before, I wouldn't now--she's obviously *very* close to the Bushies.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 02:49 PM
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42. Could be
Isn't she married? Didn't she say she was looking forward to going home and spending time with her husband and dog?
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 12:09 PM
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5. WTF?
:yoiks:
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 12:10 PM
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6. Lord Save Us, Sir
This seems to be straight news, and not satire....
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 12:12 PM
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7. ROFL!
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Oh, thank you DU! I would say I get at least three hearty belly laughs each day from reading here... and you KNOW that's got to be good for me!

What in the name of holy hell possessed Scooter to write THAT?
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 12:15 PM
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11. I think it's code...
the only way it makes sense to add that.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 12:12 PM
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8. Does Judy bang everyone?
When does this woman find time to sit down at her computer and type out stories?

Maybe she can screw necons and screw the county at the same time.

What a talent.

I'll be Chalabi's jealous.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 01:16 PM
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34. Seriously, there have been many allegations of Judy's "closeness"...
to some of her sources, and to various newsmakers.
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LiviaOlivia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 01:18 PM
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56. Read this article by Franklin Foer
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 12:13 PM
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9. eeeeewwwww. you made me read this crap. just ew. n/t
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lady lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 12:14 PM
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10. A weird collection of non sequiturs, IMO. n/t
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 12:16 PM
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12. Judy and Scoooter sit'n in a tree...
VOMIT.

:puke:
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 11:27 AM
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52. c-o-n-s-p-i-r-i-n-g
}(
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 12:17 PM
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13. "biological threats"??? WTF????
Did Scooter give Judy-Judy-Judy the inside scoop on the tularemia scare?????
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 12:17 PM
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14. "They turn in clusters, because their roots connect them."
Possible translation:

"We faked the WMD stories together. Our roots in this massive fraud connect us. Stick to the plan. Hugs and Kisses, Scooter"
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 12:17 PM
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15. Well guys and gals I believe thats a coded message in there
a subtle warning that the administration is working on biological threats and War with Iran. And the suicide bombers could allege to AlQuida. As for as the Aspens turning means that public opinion changes like the season but she is connected to them no matter what she does. the come back to work ---and life that could be a threat underlying that message.

Just want to tell people theres more here than meets the eye!!!

the ---and life clues me in there is a hidden message here!!!
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FourStarDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 12:18 PM
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16. "Come back Judy, we've more lies waitin' for you to spin". Love, Scooter
:D
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 12:23 PM
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17. He's giving her their Q4-'05/Q1-'06 agenda. Hello!
'We're lining up another fake election, plenty o' juicy suicide bombings, BIOLOGICAL THREATS (ahem), and nuking Iran.

Hurry back so you can shill for us as we roll out GW's Fall "Fuck this Planet, Anyway" tour.'

xox,
sCOOTs

The aspens turning? Too scary to think about unless PNAC's got a mass suicide pact.
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cabbol Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 12:24 PM
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18. Aspen
Be interesting to see where she vacations. Could this mean places like colorado, Arizona, NM are turning against the President and that she is needed to help stop the damage?

I really wish some in the media would investigate her back round. She has put herself in front of the news way to often. I can't shake the feeling she is a "plant"
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 12:43 PM
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26. an aspen is a plant. are all the plants turning? just the connected ones?
judy is an aspen
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 01:02 PM
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29. is he referring to the flipping of witnesses?. . . . n/t
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 01:02 PM
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31. An aspen is a tree - also known as the "quaking Aspen"
because it's leaves shimmer and shake with the slightest breeze. I think he is telling her that the lighter-weights in the conspiracy are turning and it's like the domino theory because their roots are connected. He's telling her the jig is up and she may as well co-operate. Maybe one of the aspens ratted out the real source she was protecting.

"where you vacation" is an odd little interjection.

"biological threats" is also weird since that has pretty much been off everyone's radar until TODAY!

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suegeo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 11:04 AM
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49. Saudi royal family has a home in Aspen, Colorado?
Edited on Sun Oct-02-05 11:19 AM by suegeo
A transcript from an unknown (to me) web site has a CIA spook saying the royal family has a home in Aspen.

http://www.uncommonknowledge.org/01-02/639.html

Relevant paragraph:
Robert Baer: Yes, oh, of course we knew it. It was clear. I mean I spent twenty-one years in the Middle East. I know what these people agenda is. I know that we weren't allowed to spy in Saudi Arabia. All this money fighting the war in Afghanistan was coming from Saudi Arabia from private individuals, from the Royal Family. We were not allowed to spy in Saudi Arabia. It was too politically risky. It upset State Department, upset the oil companies, it upset the Royal Family who's got houses in Aspen, Colorado and Washington, D.C. It was a very cozy bunch. We didn't know what was going on in this whole Jihad movement, which is centered in Wahhabi Islam in Saudi Arabia. That was a huge failure.


-------------
A family tree has roots?

Who the heck knows any more, but this spy v spy stuff is just exhausting.

As Cole Porter wrote: Anything Goes!
On Edit: The Bobby Gosh version of that same song -- the most recent version not the brittish boy band version -- gave me a chuckle. Julliard!
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suegeo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 01:16 PM
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55. "Bandar Bush" has a house in Aspen, CO.
Prince Bandar of Saudi infamy has a mansion in Colorado.

http://foi.missouri.edu/evolvingissues/fallhouseofsaud....

SNIP
It is on the personal front, however, where Bandar shines. A visit in the early nineties to the summer home of George H.W. Bush, in Kennebunkport, Maine, earned the prince the affectionate family sobriquet "Bandar Bush." Bandar reciprocated by inviting Bush to hunt pheasant on his estate in England. For good measure he also contributed a million dollars to the construction of the Bush Presidential Library, in College Station, Texas. King Fahd sent another million to Barbara Bush's campaign against illiteracy. (He had donated a million dollars to Nancy Reagan's "Just Say No" campaign against drugs four years earlier.) Bandar was once Colin Powell's racquetball partner.

Press accounts portrayed Bandar as largely on the outside during the Clinton years, passing melancholy weeks at his mountain compound in Aspen, Colorado (more than 50,000 square feet, thirty-two rooms, sixteen bathrooms).
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Finder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 01:28 PM
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57. Judy and Scooter are "Cedars"....
the foot soldiers are aspens.
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 12:32 PM
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20. Scooter sends his, um, er "love" and Judy is supposedly
heartened by the fact that he says she can serenely return to lying about WMD's, biological threats and Iranian nuclear dreams. :puke:

These bush cretins are creepy! Judy was where she rightfully belonged~jail!
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ReadTomPaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 12:34 PM
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21. Along with the suggestions that she slept with Chalabi..
it seems Ms. Miller likes to wrap her legs around Neocons. Isn't she still married to Jason Epstein (Who incidentally worked with the CIA in West Africa regarding propaganda distribution and wrote the book "The Great Conspiracy Trial: An Essay on Law, Liberty and the Constitution")

Incidentally, that wording is very odd. It does make one wonder what it really being said.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 12:40 PM
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22. It looks like he misses her clout as a propaganda meister. Lovely.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 12:41 PM
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23. Sorry? Is this letter from the "Onion"? Unbelievable! nt
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 12:42 PM
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24. This was an interesting bit from libby
From the article:

Then, several paragraphs expressed his surprise that she has not acted on his voluntary offer of a year earlier to waive his rights to confidentiality, since it “served my best interests…this is the rare case where this ‘source’ will be better off if you testified.” He dubbed this the “Miller corollary.”

Anyone have any idea what the implications of this may be?
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 12:57 PM
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28. I think Scooter says I know the source your protecting and its
Cheney!!!

and I don't appreciate you hiding behind me to protect him!!!

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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 12:52 PM
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27. There is probably no point in asking Miller any questions that
the answers to which are important to any prosecution. Her willingness to lie and protect those guilty of malfeasance appears limitless. The Times is in for another 'great awakening,' to their eternal regret, and they can be expected to spin quite a web to protect themselves by protecting her--witness their willingness to allow another pub to scoop them on her release. Keeps them out of the spotlight and, IMHO, was a terrible decision on their part, politically. (Terribly stupid, that is.)
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 01:02 PM
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30. Sounds Like Code - "John Has A Long Raincoat"
Let's decrypt, shall we?

Iraq is going bad, we need all the propagandists we can get.

We are ramping up to hit Iran, and need your input on the propaganda effort that worked so well in the lead up to Iraq.

There 'may' be a 'terraist' attack with biological weapons in a large City on the west coast. So you may want to stay away from there, since you know how it can spread through the immediate interconnected population. Also, dust off all your old stuff on biological threats, because 'we' think you will be able to make great hay with in in a few weeks, maybe (wink, wink, nudge, nudge, know what I mean?).

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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 11:21 AM
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51. Long thread speculating on the code.
Edited on Sun Oct-02-05 11:21 AM by tanyev
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 01:11 PM
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32. Ok People get a lightbulb!!! How many people write - - - and life
Come back to work--- and life

thats a underlying threat there

She as an option here

Come back to work and live

or Die!!!

take a look at that real careful!!!

and he follows up with thoughts and prayers
like she already is dead!!!

Ya Judith after that message I'd testify too!!! What do ya have to lose!!!
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 02:08 PM
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38. looking at it your way. interesting
elections, suicide bombers all she does in feeding hteir agenda thru her printed words. come back to your work, helping us. then connecting the aspens change as one, group, connected. come back in our fold. interesting. you are right
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 04:45 PM
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47. You are correct, IMHO
That exact thought just occurred to me, before I read your post. Couple that with him saying the source will benefit from her testimony and this is a threat, no doubt. Get you ass in front of Fitz NOW or else!

Her testimony will help libby and the big dick but will inplicate others. I was about to write that she was afraid of ALL factions and went to jail to avoid talking at all but a thought occurred to me. Maybe scooter is telling her that his faction will assure her safety if she rats out the other.

Methinks alot of chickenhawks are tring to save their own skin.

Come on over baby, a whole lotta backstabbing goin on...
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 11:36 AM
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54. Yes, a thinly veiled threat from the 'very powerful people' Judy mentioned
back in July. Telling the truth now seems like her only chance to survive. Let's hope she figured that out.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 01:13 PM
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33. Lies to be printed, people to frame and terrify - we need ya Judy!
How very poetic!
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 01:18 PM
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35. That Was So Empty
There was nothing in that letter that had a shred of feeling to it.

Can you say SOCIOPATH?
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SillyGoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 01:40 PM
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36. Scooter's personal note is very odd, to say the least.
They turn in clusters, because their roots connect them.

I am convinced there is much more to that sentence then meets the eye. I don't like that sentence one bit.

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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 01:44 PM
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37. Are you kidding me?
That letter is fucking absurd.
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sundancekid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 02:20 PM
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39. curioser and curioser ... reading full letters from NYT published pdf file
makes the whole thing even weirder, if that's possible ... the context alone is quite revealing, including the additional letters between the lawyers and Fitz

we need those "out West" code breakers again, methinks

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/national/nat_MILLER_051001.pdf
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 02:45 PM
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40. ""biological threats"
Ms. Miller did recieve a letter with white powder in it which turned out to be talcum powder. It could mean that if she reveals too much that the next time it will be the real thing: Anthrax.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 02:46 PM
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41. Nauseating - He's Flirting With Her
ummmm Judy....he's manipulating you, will you fall again?

Her behavior yesterday was like a star struck high-school giddy girl. Holding hands with two guys, grinning - the wind blowing through her hair "look at me, look at me".

Life was good yesterday Judy - you got some explaing to do...or not. Will the Times continue to lose readers because of you? I canceled my subscription because of your lies.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 02:50 PM
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43. Holy Zeus! Do These "Insiders" Know How Putrid They Sound to Us Unwashed?
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 03:21 PM
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44. Nobody writes sappy prose like that
unless it's code or they are descendents of the French and English aristocracy who I am positive wrote similarly sappy prose. I'm inclined to go with code. Come back to work --- and life... (as opposed to sing and die) Scooter seems to be telling her that if she plays her cards right, she' back in with the in crowd.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 03:52 PM
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45. There is hidden meaning in that message....
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 04:41 PM
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46. Yes there is!!!
Its a threatening letter thats for sure veiled as a love letter but really a threat of death written in between the lines!!!
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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 06:24 PM
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48. I think it might be more likely that Scooter sent Gannon "love letters"
than Judy. I think he was stringing her along to keep her quiet about what she really knows.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 11:18 AM
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50. That's what I thought, too. I'm sure I read somewhere that he is
a, uh, "confirmed bachelor".
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 11:32 AM
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53. Seems to me they are desperate enough to be writing in code right out
in the open. Aspens, roots, turning in clusters, come back to work and LIFE, thoughts and prayers. Seems like a veiled threat to continue with the program of lies and cover-up or else....... Am I just reading into things or is every word in this letter suspicious and means something other than what it says on the surface.
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