Stop Calling it Intelligent Design

[DanCa]

I am a Jesusian not a Christian and have almost given up on all hopes on organized religion. However I have still believe in Jesus and the Big Bang theroy. And this brings me to my point. Intelligent Design isnot sunday school creationism. It's a pro life trojan horse conversion program.
I was watching msnbc connected right now and they way thier guest were acting right now confirmed my suspicions. They want to start to getting kids to conform into acting like there good little narrow view of a christian.
Now I am all for teaching kids manners and ettiqutte and if you want to have a christianity class in a philosophy class as an elective that may be okay as long as it teaches all view points of christianity the left and the misguided right but to force feed this stuff to kids is wrong especially at the grade school level.
I remember when the pledge controversy first cropped up and my jr high and we had the option of saying under god. Some not all of the kids who opted to say under god in the pledge were picking on the other religions in my class that lead to fist fights and worse bs.
Oh and no one is taking christanity out of schools. Kids are still allowed to wear crussifixes, I can still wear a cross on ash wed on my forehead, and we have christmass off.
I really love my faith but the ID-anti-choice-anti-gay people are just driving me nuts. Thats why I know refer myself to a Jesusian and I think that Intelligent Design is a prolife conversion course.
And note while I think that Jesus created the muck and the mire that allowed us apes to evolve it's just my personal opinion. And I have now right to legislate that opion . Thank you and try not to hate me :)

[GreenPartyVoter]

1. I fear I may have a huge fight in my future if hubby's church

succeeds in building a school. He wants our kids to go there and I do NOT.

[BlueCaliDem]

2. "Intelligent Design" IS Creationism...Just with Different Words...

And I am wholly (no pun intended) against having Creationism taught in our public schools, with public monies.

Keep in mind that religion is nothing more than indoctrination of a certain belief/concept, and indoctrination breeds nationalism in it's worst form--just like that "pledging" of allegiance used to, and cheering almost fanatically for one's favorite sports team does, which, I believe, is the root of the Republican die-hards' problem; blinding them for what's so clear to so many who have evolved from the days of theocrats in power, and that's why they continue to support this corrupt administration cuz 'it's a team thing'.

I truly believe that this broad, and negative form of nationalism curbs people's choices to look at things beyond what they feel comfortable, and know. It works damn well good in theocracies, and dictatorships, don't it?

I have NO PROBLEM that people have the need to find some anchor through religion (and honestly, I think a whole helluva lot of people in the Republican party should repent DAILY! ), but don't shove your religious indoctrination on me!

I just think, that if they wanna force themselves into our young, impressionable children's' minds with their indoctrination, they have to sacrifice something in return.

I'd think having a law pass simultaneously with teaching creationism(now known as "intelligent design")in our public, taxpayer schools, ALL churches and religious places should lose their tax exempt status, and be taxed fully, like any other sole proprietorships (NOT corporations that get all kinds of tax loopholes since they don't pay taxes until after making $50,000 dollars PROFIT--that's AFTER all expenses have been deducted and there's still $50,000 or more, which they can, of course, siphon off easily through creating additional divisions within that corp, to continue to avoid paying any taxes!).

I wonder if they'd be holy behind teaching creationism in schools then, and if they did, then at least they are paying for it not me!.

For the record...I'm a Spiritual Christian. I don't adhere to any religious indoctrinations, but keep my, and my family's head clear while still trying to live as Christ asked us.

And I, for one, don't hate you. :hi:

[EST]

5. This is the reason behind the wingnut opposition to

"public" schooling. Their faith-based and other forms of private schooling will allow them to teach any thing they wish and public be damned.

[BlueCaliDem]

9. Yeah...They Wanna Make Sure Brainwashing Starts EARLY...and

...on the cheap.

Makes for easy cannon fodder for their wars, and gullible voters for more power.

Those idiotlogues really, really piss me off!

[survivor999]

18. Well said (nt)

[DanCa]

6. I think were on the same page just arguing semantics :D

I dont hate you either. D) :hi: I meant not pure bible school creationism but creationism peppered with anti choice memes and catch phrases. I am should have been a tad more clear but I get angry discussing this. I am pro stem cell advocate and these people are keeping me in a wheel chair ( i have young onset parkinson's) and thousands of other people sick because of there religous view points. Fire - science - bad. :D

[BlueCaliDem]

10. Then I Feel I'm In Good Company ;-)

Biblical, or this neo-creationism they're trying to shove down our throats have only ONE goal (at least, for those backstabbing government leaders who are "pro") and that is to add a new layer of indoctrination on our children's already overburdened heads.

It's about control. It's about money. It's about the power to exert control to gain MORE money. They want it all, and don't wanna use OUR MONEY for things that's good for ALL people, not just the "privileged" in our Capitalistic society.

Pure and simple.

The wealthy, and connected wanna keep a firm grip on it, and the poor and middle-class should become the mindless slaves to ensure they do.

Does anyone, anyone at ALL believe Pat Robertson, Falwell, Dumbya, Bill "never met a bet I didn't like" Bennett, or any other self-proclaimed born-again who appear to wanna ease Christendom into public schools just because they love god??

Yeah. The Bible-thumpers, ex-Boy Scout/Girl Scout members, and Pledge of Allegiance fanatics do!

What do they have in common?

That's right! Early indoctrination to conform, and do as you're told without question; unhealthy passion for nationalism; will-less.

And this should serve as the perfect reason why we have to fight to keep religion OUT of our public schools!

There's enough indoctrination flying down over our kids' heads today without adding to it.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

3. How are you gentleman.

All your base are belong to us.

[Shadowen]

4. "Intelligent design"?

The testicle?

The male nipple?

[DarkTirade]

8. The people who actually listen to Jerry Falwell?

[EST]

12. Now waitaminnit!

The male nipple is very useful. Without them, you couldn't find your cigarettes when you're drunk!

[yellowcanine]

14. Not to mention being useful props for stupid human body tricks

Making them "jump" with clever use of pectoral muscles, for example.

[EST]

17. Piercing handles.

[DarkTirade]

7. You have to remember though

that there are two camps in the ID area. There are the whackos who want to force their religious belief on us, and then there are the reasonable people who just happen to think that we evolved too quickly to have happened just by chance, and that there may very well be some outside force acting on our evolution. Guess which group is the one pushing to have ID in schools.:eyes:
To the whackos, I have only one thing to say.
In a religious book FULL of parables, the fact that you take a single one so seriously despite scientific evidence to the contrary, and you REFUSE to even CONSIDER that it might be another parable, just a story about how God is powerful enough to create the universe, then I'm sorry. You're a moron. And you sure as hell don't deserve to be choosing what OUR children learn in public school. :dunce:

[immoderate]

11. But intelligent design explains so much!

Now you take farts!

It takes a supreme intelligence to think up something that is at once noisy, smelly and funny. I could see maybe two of those coming together by random chance, but not all three. Only the guidance of the "invisible hand" could explain this phenomenon.

Check out: http://media.ebaumsworld.com/fp4.wmv

--IMM

[yellowcanine]

13. Are you saying farts are irreducibly complex? I never thought of it that

way. You know you may be right. And think of the wonderful variety that can be produced using the same raw materials. I mean just in sound alone you have squeaks, rumbles, blasts, machine gun, musical (various melodies) all at varying decibel levels, as well as the completely silent (but deadly) ones. Then consider the smells - odorless (aka "air" fart), sulfur, rank, extremely rank, dead body, cheesy, rotten egg, ripe bananna, sweet, sour, etc. Then there is moisture level - dry, extremely dry, moist, wet, and well, liquid. There is also pain level - painless, sharp, burning, etc. And all permutations of these four fart characters. Random mutation produced these? I think not. Only an intelligent designer with a sense of humor could have done such a thing.

[immoderate]

16. Yes. I totally neglected "productive" farts.

But my other thesis seems to hold -- smell, sound, humor. Two out of three could be coincidence, but not all three.

--IMM

[DanCa]

19. Is there a reproductive yawn theory somewhere

Those suckers are worse than rabbits.

[HereSince1628]

15. Oh, oh, big bang. You need to read string theory.

Under which theory its suggested the event was more like the big "clang" a collision of parallel "branes."

Of course that begs the question of whether string theory really has any lasting cosmological value.

[DanCa]

20. The string theory that makes me miss quantum leap.

[NMMNG]

21. Hear Hear!

Of course all of this ID garbage is nothing more than a clever way to get religious conversion tactics into the schools. Today it's Creationism...er, "Intelligent Design", tomorrow it's Bible readings in English class.

I remember when the pledge controversy first cropped up and my jr high and we had the option of saying under god. Some not all of the kids who opted to say under god in the pledge were picking on the other religions in my class that lead to fist fights and worse bs.

Oh come now--there is no persecution of people of other religions/the non-religious by Christians. You lie! :sarcasm:

[eridani]

22. Call it Stupid Design

After all, its basic premise is that an Entity smart enough to invent the operating system of the universe is simultaneously too stupid to get it right the first time.