Women must not be in a power position

[Laura PourMeADrink]

Is that what fundamentalist Christians believe? Anyone know?

I heard a woman from MS call C-SPAN yesterday. In response to Miers, the woman said that God told us that women must not rule or be in power. She then said that she called Trent Lott in the past and warned him of this, and he did not heed her warning. Jesus had to send back a message to allow women to lead.

Does anyone know, is this really true??


Maybe that is the key. Maybe that is why she is SO devoted to B**? She, as a mere woman, can not play a power role, unless it is in direct support and for all glory going to a man??

reposting very scary article on Miers by Molly Ivins:
http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=19701

[HEyHEY]

1. About time somebody said it.... oh shit, that was just the title

;-)

[eleny]

2. Why.... You....

[WritingIsMyReligion]

21. I oughta take you out and

oh, nevermind; that would be a bit graphic, that would.

Maybe I should go out and say all MEN shouldn't be allowed to hold positions of power... they seem to fuck things up a lot.

:P

[Straight Shooter]

3. That's what a lot of people believe, fundamentalist or not.

Some people just like life real simple, black and white. Complicate it by giving women equal respect and positions of authority, and their heads begin to hurt with just the mere thought of it.

[WritingIsMyReligion]

22. And that's where

we feminists come in...

You know what, for me, THE scariest plotline in any book/movie is? The one belonging to THE STEPFORD WIVES. Scariest fucking thing ever.

[On the Road]

4. Paul Didn't Allow Women to be in Charge of CHURCHES

Even if you believe the New Testament is binding, there's nothing that I know of about women being in positions of political power. In fact, a lot of early Christians were Roman women from rich or influential families -- maybe that's one thing that led to women becoming church leaders in the first place.

This is a classic case of people pretending to believe the Bible but going way beyond what it actually says.

[Lindacooks]

5. Oh yes, that is a commonly held fundie belief. I grew up in a

fundie church, and I clearly remember the pastor telling us that woman was created from Adam's rib. 'Not from his head, which would have meant women were equal to men, and not from his foot, which wold have meant women were slaves. But from his rib, which means that are to be protected and cared for.'

That's a direct quote.

In that church in the 1960s and 1970s, women had to wear head coverings in church, and no women were allowed in the choir, because they were a loft in the back of the church and they would have been 'above' men.

Sick? You bet. That's STILL their belief. I'll tell you, one good thing about being raised in a fundie church is that I know all their arguments, so it's easy for me to refute them.

[demigoddess]

7. not only a fundie belief but on the agenda as a 'to do' item

right after bush was 'elected' local talk radio show had a segment on 'should we revisit the nineteenth amendment?'. Of course they had to stupid women and call in and say that they would be willing to give up the right to vote because by voting, they were diluting their husbands' votes. Also the hatred of abortion is only a hatred of the idea that a woman gets to make the decision. Barefoot and pregnant is a real family value with some of these guys, as long as child support is not required.

[WritingIsMyReligion]

24. Fuck those Stepford bastards.

Fuck 'em, I say. FUCK EM.

[Southpaw Bookworm]

8. Ditto that

We didn't have the choir issue or the head coverings, but women were not allowed to lead prayer in church when any men were present, to be deacons or hold leadership positions other than for the Sunday school.

[Lindacooks]

10. I'm remembering more too - girls weren't allowed to be

altar attendants - only the boys could light candles at the altar and extinguish them after the service. And as far as female clergy goes - absolutely NOT. I'm amazed I got out of there alive, let alone liberal.

[Southpaw Bookworm]

12. We didn't have altar boys

That was considered too Catholic, as were Advent and Lent. No robes, no stoles on the pastor. I don't think the choir even had robes.

I remember being about 9 and so frustrated because my favorite encyclopedia of international cultures mentioned, in an article about Mardi Gras and Carnivale, Lent, and I could find no reference to it in any other book. (My first exposure to the problem of cultural assumption.) And then there was the time in college when I thought my coworker's car had blown up, after he told me that the smudge on his forehead was ash (on Ash Wednesday, of course).

[DrRang]

14. My mom goes to the Church of Christ, not the liberal

United Church of Christ but the very fundie Church of Christ and their doctrine is that no woman should be in a position of teaching a man or instructing men in anyway--an interpretation of something St. Paul wrote. Also, women should be careful to obey the common expectations of a community. I used to go to church with her when I visited but one time I slipped and let out a major snort when the preacher said, "Anyone running down the church is probably a liberal or worse." Funny thing is, this is hardcore Mississippi, where the whole "submissive but flirty and charming woman" thing is very powerful, but what it does is turn women into past masters of passive-aggressive manipulation.

[WritingIsMyReligion]

23. Can someone run and get me

a pot?

:puke:

[WildClarySage]

6. I attended a service at my aunt's fundie weird ass church, and

in the middle of a discussion that followed the sermon (which was revolting), this woman stood up and said God had smited her family because she wasn't obeying her husband.

It was hard for me to not laugh my ass off.

[WritingIsMyReligion]

25. I would have laughed my ass off

and then told her to go and take out her battery pack, for fuck's sake.

[wakemeupwhenitsover]

9. Didn't the Gores leave their

church because the women were supposed to take a vow to obey their husbands?

Anybody else remember that?

best

[Southpaw Bookworm]

13. That was Carter

Who left the Southern Baptist Church because of its attitudes and rules regarding women.

I *heart* Jimmy!

[wakemeupwhenitsover]

16. Thank you. A memory is a

terrible thing to lose :)

I've always admired Pres. Carter.

DH & stopped to get gas once & while DH walked our dog I talked to the owner. He had served w/Pres. Carter in the navy & told me a couple of stories.

best

[mestup]

11. The odd thing though, I've noticed most fundie men are dependant

on the fundie woman to meet all their needs. I swear 99.9% of those guys would starve to death and go naked without their women feeding and clothing them. That's a strange way to unempower someone?

[Southpaw Bookworm]

15. Absolutely

In a similar vein, fundies are all about children needing two parents or else the children will end up criminals and drug addicts. Yet, in all of the church-going, "traditional" families I grew up around, the father's only childrearing contributions were sperm and an occasional belting. What the hell was he needed for again?

[WildClarySage]

17. So the kids would be scared when Momma said "Just wait til your father

gets home!"

[Laura PourMeADrink]

19. wow - you just made me flash back. My mom said that all the

time and it really scared us into being good. I don't think kids are afraid of their parents anymore.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

18. So how do you think this all affects Miers and B** ??

[Laura PourMeADrink]

20. And what do you think it is for us progressive women? 88.8%?

:)

[WritingIsMyReligion]

26. I'd love to see

all the fundie women do that. I'd laugh my ass off at those "poor" bastards.