I think there is a very good possibilty that Judith Miller has turned>>>>>

[hang a left]

I thought about this last night and even got up this morning and posted my thoughts in LBN.

It was the article I read at antiwar.com yesterday coupled with the adamant denials of discussing any other source than Libby to the GJ by Miller and her lawyer in the press.

I don't think it is so much the Plame case that scares the shit out of her than it is the Franklin case. I think she might have gotten herself in some deep doo doo there. I imagine there is a probablility that the same way they cornered Franklin and then had him wear a wire to entrap his co-conspirators; Judy may have had the same type of operation performed on her.

Anyone?

[tompayne1]

1. tee hee hee

the little whore got trapped in her bs

[Lindsey]

4. My sis & I were having this same thought about her & Libbey

turning.

[knowbody0]

2. i watched her with LouDobbs today

she's bright eyed and full of herself. no doubt a book to follow. we'll see.....

[texpatriot2004]

15. Oh yeah, Huffington already broke the news on the book deal

1.2 Mil for Judy's book.

I saw that rubbish too on Lou Dobbs. They keep pushing that Freedom of the Press heroine line of trash.

[shraby]

3. Wouldn't that be sweet?

I think there is more than meets the eye too. All too much was made out of a release from Libby that he says he already gave a year ago.

She may have gone to jail to protect her life. Notice how she testified the very next day after her release.

Her loyalties lie with another country by the looks of things.

[babylonsister]

5. Please explain Franklin. Is this the spy guy? nt

[hang a left]

6. This is a must read....it ties it all together

http://antiwar.com/justin/

let me know what you think.

[Seansky]

7. interesting reading, txs.

[texpatriot2004]

18. Larry Franklin has already been indicted and will plead guilty

to 4 counts of giving Classified Info to those not qualified to receive it (namely the Pro-Israel Lobby AIPAC). Two others were also indicted also; Rosen and Weissman. Lawrence Anthony Franklin is a former Defense Dept. analyst.

[texpatriot2004]

19. Judy chose to come forward just hours after Franklin testified.

Coincidence?

[OrwellwasRight]

21. I have never heard of Larry Franklin before today.

Can you explain wtf he is and what is the relationship to Judith Miller?

[texpatriot2004]

23. Larry Franklin has already been indicted and will plead guilty

to 4 counts of giving Classified Info to those not qualified to receive it (namely the Pro-Israel Lobby AIPAC). Two others were also indicted also; Rosen and Weissman. Lawrence Anthony Franklin is a former Defense Dept. analyst.

Hang on I am getting something else. Here it is.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4319705

This one too.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4263356

[OrwellwasRight]

37. Thanks. I don't know what I was paying attention to that week.

Probably my sad and non-existent sex life.

[texpatriot2004]

29. NYT article about Franklin

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/30/politics/30spy.html

[gumby]

8. Disagree.

I thought one of the points of the antiwar article was that Judy went to jail was to protect herself from the Franklin case.

She made a deal with Fitzgerald to only question her about Libby. That's my take. She went to jail so she wouldn't have to talk about Franklin.

Now she's got a supposed $1.2 million book deal.

Yeah, well deal this "Queen Of All Iraq."

[hang a left]

9. Maybe she went to jail so "they" thought she wasn't talking about

Franklin. Maybe jail was a safe place for her to talk about Franklin. Now think about Bolton's visits. Think about Libby's coded message.

I'm not saying I'm right. I just think it is a real possibility.

[hang a left]

11. Also she lost 20 lbs in jail. Trust me, I know women gain weight in jail.

That means she was seriously stressing. She couldn't eat. Why would Bolton go see her? You know they couldn't talk about anything of substance. You talk on phone lines between glass. Maybe he was feeling her out, looking for signs. Maybe he was talking about the Aspen roots with the fall coming to turn and all that crap.

[Just Me]

10. No. Judy is a plant, period. n/t

[hang a left]

12. I am not saying that she wasn't a plant. She obviously works for someone

other than the NYT. My current theory is she got caught in something bigger than Plame. The feds let her know they had her, just like Franklin. And she was given an ultimatum.

[texpatriot2004]

20. The Feds had her on something. I think you are right about that.

I also think you are right that it's bigger than Plame...espionage maybe?

[hang a left]

25. Maybe she was a conduit for information as well...

[texpatriot2004]

26. I think she works for someone else too. I think she's not what she

seems to be. Appearances can be deceiving and all, right? What if she worked for Franklin or maybe for whoever Franklin worked with or for?

[texpatriot2004]

27. She was a conduit, the mouthpiece of terror her employer the

NYT giving credibility to a made up story.

So, I am just wondering if Judy Miller was the mouthpiece and megaphone having written 4 of the 6 stories to advance the theory of WMD's and nuclear capabilities for Cheney, Rove, Libby, et al then maybe she was given classified information as well.

[hang a left]

28. Wouldn't it be incredibly amazing if they all got rolled up?

If every last one of those bastard neocons went to jail?

I would believe that our country could actually come back from the abyss. It would restore my faith.

[texpatriot2004]

31. Mine too. I would like to see my country come back from the

"abyss" (good word choice).

[kestrel91316]

42. I have been thinking for a long time that they were going to nail the

whole * crowd with espionage, rather than the petty perjury or conspiracy BS.

[Gold Metal Flake]

13. This?

From the link:
http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=7490

"Scooter was at the epicenter of this threatening storm of misinformation, which eventually reached Katrina-esque proportions in its intensity: he and his boss were pushing hard on the CIA to come up with the evidence of Saddam's WMD in order to justify an invasion. They both personally visited CIA analysts at Langley and berated them for not coming up with the goods; when the spooks demurred, they did an end-run around the intelligence community, setting up what Mother Jones magazine has called "the lie factory."

This is the criminal conspiracy Fitzgerald has set about uncovering. It isn't about Karl Rove, as I said months ago; it isn't about a possible violation of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act, as I maintained from the beginning. It's about how a small group of government officials, in tandem with their overseas allies, engaged in a criminal conspiracy to falsify "intelligence" – and, in the process, lie the nation into war."

Fitzgerald setting his ship at ramming speed and aiming midships of the USS LIED US INTO WAR? This is very different than what I thought would come out of this. This goes straight into war crimes, no?

[hang a left]

17. Those were exactly my thoughts yesterday when I read this...

I have read people here post about the connection to the whole Iraq war lies. I just thought it was wishful thinking. I am so excited, I just can't wait.

But there was something else in there, I'll go find it and repost.

[ReadTomPaine]

22. "aiming midships of the USS LIED US INTO WAR" - Lol!

[hang a left]

24. This is where I got the idea of Miller turning

Hannah may have thrown Libby to the dogs, just to save his own skin. This wouldn't be any more surprising than the actions of former Pentagon analyst Larry Franklin, who will plead guilty to spying for Israel in return for leniency in sentencing – and for testifying against his handlers, Steve Rosen, who for 20 years served as AIPAC's foreign policy director, and Keith Weissman, AIPAC's top Iran specialist. Rosen and Weissman pumped Franklin for classified information and handed it over to Israeli "diplomats" stationed in Washington. The trial is scheduled for January.

While Hannah, the former director of AIPAC's think tank, was deeply involved in exposing a vitally important U.S. intelligence asset – Plame worked undercover in the CIA's WMD-nonproliferation unit – AIPAC officials Rosen and Weissman were sneaking around Washington, meeting Franklin in train stations and handing over U.S. secrets to Israeli spies. If we put Franklin's shenanigans <.pdf> with the AIPAC duo and the Israelis on a timeline, we see that this breach in our security occurred during roughly the same period as those involving the Niger uranium deception and the Plame matter:

Jan. 28, 2003 - The president utters those fateful 16 words.
Feb. 12 - Franklin met with Rosen and Weissman and revealed classified information relating to a certain "Middle Eastern country." (The Franklin-AIPAC-Mossad relationship, although first broached in 2002, only culminated in a personal meeting early in the next year.)
March 7 - Mohammed ElBaradei, the head of the IAEA, announces that the Niger uranium documents are forgeries.
March 10 - The treasonous trio met again, this time outside Union Station in Washington, and then proceeded to several restaurants, changing their venue frequently to avoid detection and ending their meeting in an empty restaurant.
March 13 - Franklin met with an Israeli official, when he revealed yet more classified information about internal U.S. government deliberations concerning a certain Middle Eastern country. Throughout the month, Franklin fed his AIPAC handlers classified documents, faxing them in some instances, while Rosen and Weissman relayed the information to the Israelis, and to certain favored members of the media.
June 26 - Franklin met with Rosen and Weissman and communicated classified information on possible attacks on U.S. troops in Iraq by pro-Iranian elements.
June 30 - The bonding rituals of spies: Weissman and Franklin attended a baseball game. On that day, also, Franklin was finally confronted by the FBI with his treason: the indictment states that "on or about" that date he "possessed" classified – "Top Secret and Secret" – materials in his Kearneysville, W.V., residence. Franklin was, in short, caught red-handed, and was "turned" – that is, he agreed to cooperate with the investigation and provide evidence against his AIPAC handlers.
July 6 - Wilson's New York Times op-ed piece, "What I Didn't Find In Africa," is published.
July 9 - Franklin, no doubt wearing a wire, met with Weissman, and more national defense information was turned over.
July 9 - Judith Miller discusses the Plame affair with Libby.
July 12 or 13 - Miller again discusses Plame with Libby.
July 14 - Novak outs Valerie Plame in his Sun-Times column.
July 21 - Franklin again met with Weissman, and turned over information that he said was "highly classified" concerning a foreign government's covert actions in Iraq, warning Weissman not to use it because he could "get into trouble." That same day, Weissman related the information to Rosen, and the two of them went to their Israeli bosses with the goods.
Aug. 3 - The FBI finally moved in on Franklin and Rosen, who denied everything – and continued to leak U.S. secrets to the media on at least one occasion.
Aug. 27 - The FBI interviewed Rosen again, and he still denied everything, whereupon AIPAC's chief Washington lobbyist contacted his Israeli handler and told him that he had "a very serious matter" he needed to discuss, but couldn't do it over the phone.

As the FBI reviewed Franklin's conversations with Rosen, Weissman, and the Israelis, the totality of what had happened to U.S. national security, in light of the Plame affair, had to have dawned on them. Many of the key individuals involved, in the vice president's office and the Defense Department's policy section (where Franklin worked), had intimate links with Israel, specifically the radical Likud Party policies favored by the neoconservatives. Outing Plame was only a measure of the ruthlessness of this cabal: Franklin's betrayal showed that they were not above espionage. The U.S. government, after years of tolerating a fifth column in Washington, was finally moved to crack down.

[texpatriot2004]

32. Where did this come from? It's good.n/t

[hang a left]

33. from here

http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=7490

[texpatriot2004]

34. So why the 85 days in jail? And why hasn't the NYT fired her?

[texpatriot2004]

35. Oh. Hey check out my posts on your "will someone talk to me"

thread - at the bottom.

[texpatriot2004]

36. Great quote there from Voltaire

Quotable

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
– Voltaire

[Gold Metal Flake]

39. This is getting huge.

I think Fitzgerald is about to demonstrate how the earth can be tilted when you have a lever big enough.

:kick: for the AM.

[texpatriot2004]

14. I don't know about the wire but the Franklin part I think you're right

about. I think it is this week that Franklin is to plead guilty to 4 counts of "Conspiracy to communicate National Defense Information to Persons not entitled to receive it..."

It seems to me that this whole SF312 issue is their real problem. What do you think?

[ReadTomPaine]

16. Judy is a neocon enigma with a high libido. n/t

[texpatriot2004]

30. So why hasn't the NYT fired Judy? She used them to spread

lies for this regime.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4974223&mesg_id=4974223

[hang a left]

38. .........

[texpatriot2004]

40. kick n/t

[hang a left]

41. this seems timely

kick