Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

New Windows version will block HD playback on OLDER monitors.

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU
 
iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 12:11 PM
Original message
New Windows version will block HD playback on OLDER monitors.
If you dropped a bundle on a high-end computer display or HDTV, you could be in for an unpleasant surprise when you slip your new high-definition DVD of Star Wars: Episode III into your Windows Vista PC. Vista, the next version of Windows that's slated to appear in about a year, will feature a new systemwide content protection scheme called PVP-OPM (see box below). If your monitor doesn't work with PVP-OPM, all you'll likely see is either a fuzzy rendition of your high-def flick or Hollywood's version of the Blue Screen of Death--a message warning you that the display has been 'revoked'.

High-Def Hard-Liners

Forthcoming Blu-ray and HD-DVD discs promise higher resolution than a standard DVD's 480-line maximum. But to protect its high-quality content from pirating, the film industry, along with disc and hardware makers, has created an umbrella content protection scheme known as AACS. If Windows is to play the new discs, Microsoft has little choice but to support AACS, which is where PVP-OPM comes in. According to Microsoft, PVP-OPM will prevent pirates from attaching recording devices directly to the PC graphics card's DVI or HDMI video outputs in order to capture a pristine digital copy of the disc's otherwise encrypted content. A related component, PVP-UAB, will prevent savvy computer owners from installing data capture cards in order to grab high-def movies straight off the PCI Express bus.

Unfortunately, PVP-OPM will also shut out plenty of law-abiding video watchers whose current displays aren't future-proof. To comply with the film industry's protection scheme, PVP-OPM employs HDCP technology to determine whether graphics boards and displays are allowed to output and display high-def video. If HDCP sees a blocked display (such as a video capture device) or one that does not support HDCP (including any HDTV with only analog connectors), it prevents output or reduces the video resolution until the offending display or protected content is removed from the system.

http://pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,122738,00.asp

----------------

How do you like that?

Big Hollywood and Microsoft are going to control what you can and cannot do with media that you’ve purchased.

Big Hollywood needs to fucking get a clue. This is going to piss off the people who actually BUY media. And its going to drive them towards PIRACY. What do you think a computer user is going to do when VISTA throws a pissy fit over unblessed hardware? Run out and buy the latest hardware? Or fire up BitTorrent and download the movie that VISTA refused to play? From that point on how much less likely is that consumer going to be to respect : “Intellectual Property?” I’m betting not likely. Because they are going to be PISSED.

You know this latest move just points out how fucking idiotic these people are. The are treating their consumers as criminals and driving them to do exactly what they are trying to prevent.

If the Recording Industry would have bought Napster and charged people $20/month for all you can eat access millions and millions of people would never have heard of Kazaa, Emule, BitTorrent, etc. They’d all be using the RIAA owned Napster. But they just don’t get it. They are dinosaurs and they won’t evolve. The filesharing genie is out of the bottle and so far everything they’ve done to stop it has just made the problem worse. They’ll never get it.

I’ll be boycotting Vista just as I’ve been boycotting XP (over product activation) and you should too. We all need to tell Microsoft and Big Hollywood that we want more choice not draconian Digital Rights Management that tells your TIVO to delete things you’ve recorded, tells you computer you can’t watch your DVD, or tells your DVD player to “self-destruct”. Big Hollywood has no right dictating to Sony or Microsoft how their devices should work. It is up to the consumer to dictate what they want thru the marketplace.

This is DRM crap is bullshit, and it’s only going to get worse.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
rbajai Donating Member (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 12:15 PM
Response to Original message
1. You know,
Edited on Wed Oct-05-05 12:17 PM by rbajai
I'm REALLY beginning to HATE technology. It is useful to some degree but they constantly force you to upgrade. And then like in this case you find out that wonderful new technology you purchased for tons of $$$ isn't compatible anymore. This causes you to spend up the wazoo every year for just upgrades alone. Well the hell with THAT!!

I don't have a cell phone. I don't have an HDTV. I don't have cable or Dish network. I have a Windows 95 operating system on a dialup connection.

In other words - BACKLASH.

Some days I wished I lived in a cave.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lindsay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 12:18 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. Well, if Bu$hCo gets their way, a lot of us will be living in caves
before long.

Sigh....
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rbajai Donating Member (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 12:20 PM
Response to Original message
3. By the way
I haven't even fully made the transition from VHS to DVD. I have a DVD player but still have my VHS and tons of VHS movies. Now there's talk of the newer technology DVDs not being compatible with older DVD players...UGH. When will this instanity end?

:banghead:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 12:23 PM
Response to Reply #3
6. I personally prefer VHS to DVD
:banghead: Maybe I am a dinosaur.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rbajai Donating Member (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 12:31 PM
Response to Reply #6
9. Oh my - Blasphemy!
:rofl:

Why do like VHS better? Just curious.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 12:42 PM
Response to Reply #9
10. Several reasons
For instance...I can drop a VHS and it works fine.
I drop a DVD and it gets scratched, it is toast.
I can tape my shows directly with VHS without any added investment.
My granddaughter who is 2 can put her own movies in when she wants to watch them. I don't have to worry about her scratching anything.
Just my preference.:)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rbajai Donating Member (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 12:51 PM
Response to Reply #10
11. Ah, I see...
and you are right - one little scratch and it's toast. That is certainly a pitfall. And if the DVD gets dirty with fingerprints, etc., it will skip when you are watching it.

I like the better picture quality and sound of DVDs, but certainly VHS tapes are easier to handle.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Spangle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 01:06 PM
Response to Reply #11
12. One Scratch,~ It is why some are not using their orginials.
For kid movies, etc.. Copying the DVD and using the copy version is the way to go. When it gets scratched beyond repair, make another copy off the orginal.

We are in an age were kids can watch their DVD's on the way to grand-ma's. The further away, the more that is needed. LOL!

This is what friends of ours do to handle this problem. Now they don't worry about their kids scratching the DVD's. The also have a true cleaner. It scraps some of the plastic off. Of course, if the scratch is to deep, it isn't fixable. Works for audio and game cd's as well.

I wished we had done this. Our truck was broken into a month or so back. We some DVD's in there that was taken. If we had made copys like our friends, we would have only lost the copys.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rbajai Donating Member (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 01:11 PM
Response to Reply #12
13. Have you ever run into any problems making copies?
I didn't realize companies would allow for that so easily.

That is a good idea you have though.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Spangle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 02:21 PM
Response to Reply #13
14. I don't think they have had any problems.
Your allowed to make personal copys. Not allowed to sell them. They have a collection and I haven't heard of having any problems. AFter ours got stolen, that is what we are going to start doing.

But we have more problems with the games getting scratched then the movies. When kids get together.... Oh boy! We use to go pay to have them scraped. But the shop we went to closed down. I see that you can now buy the equipment to do it yourself for around $50. Since I was paying $4 a cd.. It wouldn't take long that it would pay for it's self. Not with DVD's and audio cd's too. LOL!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 02:37 PM
Response to Reply #10
17. Yes, but how about when your VCR
eats your tape? How about when that durn tape starts it's little dance and now matter how you adjust it, the dance won't stop?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 12:20 PM
Response to Original message
4. So, if you want to watch movies, get Linux.
It's just like everything with Windows, stuff that belongs in the application software ends up in the OS layer. It's a matter of philosophy that Microsoft carries to a ridiculous degree, the best example of which is an actual whole graphical user interface built into the OS. This is why Windows has been so bloated and so unreliable.

Linux takes an opposite philosophy. Nothing goes into the kernel except that which is needed to interface with devices. No user interfaces, no other crap. You run only the stuff you need and only as you need it. Plus, there's the advantage of having source code.

With this annoucement I'm glad I use only Linux.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rbajai Donating Member (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 12:22 PM
Response to Reply #4
5. Where can one download Linux?
And does it matter what OS one is presently using?

Also - does Linux have a GUI interface similiar to Windows?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 05:09 PM
Response to Reply #5
18. Linux sources.
Edited on Wed Oct-05-05 05:12 PM by longship
Linux is available at so many places it would be impractical to list them all. Also, there are so many versions of it, you really have a great choice of features and things. Each version is called a distribution.

For people not technically versed, you can try Linux without installing it by snagging a "bootable CD" version. Then, if you like it you can install it. Installing it can be technically complex, but most distributions handle things fairly well.

Yes, Linux uses the X Window System (simply called "X") which is a very mature graphic user interface. In fact there are many flavors of X, each differing in look and feel, but all supplying the same basic functionality. In Linux you always have a lot of choices. Newbies should look for Linux versions with the KDE desktop which is most Microsoft-like X interface.

I suggest you try out Ubuntu. There is both a bootable CD and an installation CD available for download. Ubuntu is from South Africa and has a reputation of being easy to install and use.

Ubuntu Web Site

Other Linux distributions are listed at the Linux International Web site or at the DistroWatch Web Site.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rbajai Donating Member (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 09:35 AM
Response to Reply #18
21. Bookmarked and thank you
for the information!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 09:17 AM
Response to Reply #4
19. This is a movement
Taking away your fair use rights to combat this false notion that piracy is hurting hollywood. Piracy was the stated reason they tried to stop VCRs and it had to go to the Supreme Court. 20+ years later VHS and DVD sales bring them more revenue that the box office.

Big Hollywood is taking away our rights. That's the issue. Not Windows/Linux.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BigMcLargehuge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 12:24 PM
Response to Original message
7. LOL... as if Vista is ever going to come out...
it's been, what, 5 years now?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
arcos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 12:25 PM
Response to Original message
8. Not to worry...
As with all copyright measures, this will be hacked pretty soon.

And in any case, we can always keep running Windows XP.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 02:34 PM
Response to Reply #8
16. I'm still running 2000 for the most part.
XP is just a dumbed-down 2000 anyway...prettier, with some things consolidated (Bizarre Control Panel), and a couple of features no one in their right mind would use for their stated purpose (Movie Maker, Internet Security Firewall, etc.)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 09:19 AM
Response to Reply #8
20. I dont want to have to break a law...
Edited on Fri Oct-07-05 09:19 AM by iconoclastNYC
To watch a DVD I purchaed on my "unblessed" computer.

If you use these hacking programs you are breaking federal law. It's call the DMCA.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 02:33 PM
Response to Original message
15. Oh, the HUMANITY!!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jim3775 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 09:42 AM
Response to Original message
22. Also, Windows Vista has ridiculously high hardware requirments...
Edited on Fri Oct-07-05 09:42 AM by jim3775
that will mean that many people would have to upgrade their computers to run it, its such a goddamned racket.

I should also mention that most of the upgrades that will be in windows vista are already present in the K desktop environment 3.5 which is already available for free with linux.

http://www.ubuntulinux.org/
http://www.kubuntu.org/
http://www.kde.org/
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri Apr 26th 2024, 02:07 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC