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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 05:11 PM
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Danger - Bush could react violently to Fitzgerald's action

I don't know if this has been posted already...but it's worth another round anyway. A good read.Buff2


Danger - Bush could react violently to Fitzgerald's action - how we
can protect ourselves


by artebella <http://artebella.dailykos.com/>


Sun Oct 2nd, 2005 at 13:12:09 PDT

To prevent Bush from reacting violently to Fitzgerald's takedown of the
Bush team and thereby putting all of us in tremendous danger, we need to
think psychologically about who he is and why he functions the way he
does.

* artebella's diary <http://artebella.dailykos.com/> :: ::
*

I'm a shrink - a psychoanalyst - and think we can keep this real
simple. We have no right to diagnose from afar but we can surely
describe Bush in old fashioned everyday language based on his public
behavior.
He's a mean SOB, unable and unwilling to care about others;
uninterested in any reality other than the one that comforts him. He
clearly needs to be comforted, applauded and admired all the time. (It's
no accident that press conferences and election appearances were so
controlled). He is amazingly immature though canny and, as a sadistic
sob, he will destroy or have destroyed anyone who opposes him. His
characteristics, if seen in a child, are considered ominous. Hence the
story of his childhood practice of putting firecrackers inside frogs and
lighting them would have sent any thoughtful parents straight to a child
psychiatrist screaming for help for their disturbed child. Clearly that
didn't happen.
Maybe his "charm" (joketelling, life of the party, etc) protected
him while things were going well. But now, when the chickens are coming
home to his roost, he's scared and watch out. He will get mean and
meaner. The more deprived of comfort (high poll numbers) the more
frantic he will be. Nuking Iran or North Korea are an easy out - just as
turning up the terror alerts when things got bad (sliding poll numbers)
worked here at home. He got his jollies by scaring the rest of the
country so he wouldn't feel so alone in his fear.
Deprived children tend to feel the world owes them something - alot
- to pay back for all that early pain. And they feel totally justified
in their anger and the _expression of it. I do unto you as was done unto
me. So there!! Btw, they usually don't know about this particular
dynamic unless they've been in therapy. Clearly that hasn't happened
either. Alcohol or any substance he may have used was probably his
attempt to self medicate.
He's not dumb so on some level at some times he knows something
about himself he'd rather not know. Constant movement - bicycling, etc,
rigid routines, prayer sessions, surrounding himself with sycophants and
fellow sadists will keep further self knowledge at bay.
And let's not forget his belief in the apocalypse. It's a sadist's
perfect plan. Total destruction. Yikes.

I've wondered why Bush was "successful" for so long. He did get to
be POTUS twice. It can't be all Karl Rove and Diebold. So, it finally
dawned on me that he is gifted. He has a special gift for destruction.
Think about it - he has destroyed America's reputation in the world, he
is well on the way to destroying the economy, civil liberties, the
environment, my peace of mind, democracy, the treaties and behavior that
kept nations away from the idea of using nuclear weapons, respect for
the rule of law, the compact with Americans that the president will do
all he can to protect you, the Geneva conventions, etc etc etc
The point is that when it comes to building and growing anything -
this man does not have the psychological ability to handle it. It's not
stupidity; I don't even think it's just greed and incompetence - though
he and his buddies have plenty of both. It's a knack to be consistent at
destroying things. It's related to meanness of spirit - you know the
opposite of generosity. The Bush crime family has given nothing to this
country. Some robber barons of the past at least left libraries and
foundations behind. What has the Bush family ever built (for the benefit
or use of others)?
I have worked with some sadistic patients. They feel empty inside
and/or full of rage. They are certain they have been deprived of love
and do not carry a fund of memories of being cared for inside them. They
find ways to be with others - charm, but they often haven't a clue as to
why people don't really like or trust them. Oh yes, they know how to
exert power over people and keep them in their place. That is the
essence of sadism - I am the master - you are the slave. Bush and Rove
clearly deserve each other.

Why this matters now is the possible reaction of Bush to
Fitzgerald's next serious move. My fear is that the inner emptiness in
Bush will respond with absolute panic to the potential loss of Rove and
his other pals. Panic in a sadist who believes in the apocalypse is
something serious about which we all should be worried.
He could set off a nuclear holocaust. He could merely nuke Iran or
North Korea (the latter is less likely for the moment). He will be drawn
to do something to make him feel powerful and less humiliated. What can
we do about it?

I am writing this diary because I think there is something we can
and should be doing now before he is "compelled" to react to the worst
news of his life.
We should be predicting his irrational destructive reaction to
everyone. With any luck it will get back to him and his courtiers and
could slow him down. Or at least some of his marginally sane advisors
could slow him down.
Btw, I was worried about his creating a "terrorist attack" just
before the election for the obvious reasons and was reassured to learn
that the democratic leadership and Kerry campaign were well aware of
that possibility and the repugs knew that he was being watched for any
such dirty trick which reduced the likelihood of it happening.
In the same spirit, I think we should make sure that as many people
as possible should be aware that a man with such a hair-trigger response
to humiliation and who has his finger too close to the wrong buttons
will be watched and prevented by saner minds from doing his best (which
is unfortunately everybody else's worst.)

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/10/2/16129/2295
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 05:14 PM
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1. I survived the Saturday Night Massacre, I could survive this.
I only pray I get the chance to say, I survived the greatest Executive Branch crisis in the history of the US.
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 05:21 PM
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3. There has never been a time in my whole life where I have felt so scared.
I don't feel safe with this bunch of maniacs in charge. They are crazy and dangerous...and that is not a good combination. :scared:
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 05:30 PM
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9. Hey, the worst is you die.
An attitude share by many doing time in Vietnam. And the best answer I ever heard to that was..."Let's live it so it becomes a great day to die."
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 05:19 PM
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2. I have been saying this all along: * will de-compensate big time
with possible violence of a sadistic nature, as a result
of reality finally hitting him such as low poll numbers and indictments etc.
The more stressful the political environment, the worse he will get.
Maybe we should be glad he is hitting the bottle again, might help
anesthetize him and keep him calm. However, could back fire and make him more erratic.
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 05:22 PM
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5. I hope they've got him on some good meds too.
That poor idiot needs all the help he can get.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 05:33 PM
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14. I think he is on psychotropics.... nt
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 04:34 PM
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43. And a little bit of liquid courage, too, perhaps
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 05:22 PM
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4. k & r
Nota Bene
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AirmensMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 05:23 PM
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6. This is scary.
:scared:
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 08:23 PM
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36. Nixon went nutso when impeachent or resign sunk in - Kissenger had to
contact the Pentagon to niform them that if then Presient Nixon ordered a nuclear military strike on Russia -- the final command had to come thru Kissinger FIRST...! this is fact.

If junior totally loses it, he'll quietly be rushed off and in control, howcould theGOP actually allow George run free with his own thought peocess? -- even they aren't that stupid...!

After he runs out of hiding behind Meirs confirmation? ----Fitzgerald's timing to announce indictments couldn't be more impeccable!

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 10:36 PM
Response to Reply #36
41. And I do hope there is another Kissinger in there
for the same reason
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 05:26 PM
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7. Could I see a "Night of the Long Knives" or probably a LIHOP/MIHOP #2?
In a second. The Busheviks would think nothing of killing thousands od us, perhaps millions, to maintain their grip on power.

I have always said the Busheviks would murder MANY before allowing themselves to be prosecuted, and I satnd by that.

It could be time for that "Nuclear Terrorist Attack" the Busheviks have been saving for a Rainy Day. In either case, the closer we get to a Bush Prosecution, the more danger we are in of SOMETHING to ccur that gives them the ability to declare martial law.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 05:31 PM
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11. I agree - he'll be like a wounded animal lashing out.
They are collapsing under the weight of their own lies and incompetence.

Whether they go down now or later, this is the beginning of the end for them. They will not go away quietly or without incident, that I am sure of.
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 06:34 PM
Response to Reply #11
26. He's already had that blonde girl killed.
Amazingly good timing, finding her body just as the spy scandal breaks, and just before the raft of indictments from Fitzgerald. The corporate media will just have time to get their trucks to the body site, when the indictments hit.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 06:42 PM
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29. Well, I'm not so sure about THAT
Sadly, enough of that shit goes on every single day that it certainly could be a mere coincidence.

Not EVERYTHING evil that goes on can be laid at the Busheviks' feet.
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 07:31 PM
Response to Reply #7
33. that's one reason he was salivating over establishing martial law
or quarantining parts of the country (blue parts maybe) using military force. Easier to wipe out large groups of people.
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cami715 Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 07:53 PM
Response to Reply #33
35. And he also attempted to strike fear
in Americans with the predictions about the bird flu.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 10:28 PM
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39. Well, if the "terra-ists" nuke Los Angeles, I have a front row seat and
will keep you all informed while the grid stays up.

ARRRRGGGGHHHHHHHH
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 05:28 PM
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8. Don't think this scenerio is very realistic.
For one, Chimpy will have the verbal attack machine going quickly to undermine Fitzgerald. Although maybe indicted, Rove will be in high gear. They will go stark raving mad this time. It will not be a pretty sight. But they will not need to nuke anybody to accomplish what has clearly worked like a charm in the past.

These guys may not be stupid, but nothing indicates that they are very smart. Basically, they are very transparent people who think monolithically. They are as easy to read as "My Pet Goat". And no, Rove and the others will not be fired or resign unless they are convicted. The White House has already set up that scenerio a few weeks ago when they changed their rhetoric about the leaker(s).

So, although it is scary to consider what their response *could* be, it is much less scary to consider what their response is *likely* to be.

That's why this article is mostly moonshine.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 05:30 PM
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10. Bush is desperately looking for any excuse
to put the US under military control before the next election.

That was what their response to Katrina was all about. Fortunately, things didn't get has out of control has they hoped but now they are looking for new excuses. Hence the terra terra crap again.

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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 05:31 PM
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12. Pretzels for everyone, on me.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 05:33 PM
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13. Might I suggest we stock our homes just in case of Code Red
If Fitzgerald brings out indictments that implicate higher-ups in the Bush Regime, I can see Homeland Security showing up on my TV Screen with a piss-poor videotape of some terrorist making blanketed threats to the US.

If we go code red you are not allowed to leave your home OR wherever you are stranded. I just might want to stock up just incase I'm stuck indoors for a few days while DHS scares the world
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 06:40 PM
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28. Homeland Who?
HAHAHHAAAAAAa ...

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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elfin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 05:33 PM
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15. Scary thought - maybe he has a supply
of Avian Flu to unleash and then use that as a pretext for military occupation of the US. with the attendant diversion away fronm his problems. Already trying to "soften up" the public to an epidemic.

Does he have a willing stooge in the CDC to make this happen if the Fitzgerald probe doesn't go his way??
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 05:40 PM
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16. LALALALALAL LALALAL
What's that? Can't hear you!

I believe I would like to remain in denial on this one.
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 06:17 PM
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23. I'll with you Grannie, but it is scary and sounds like an accurate
evaluation. Hopefully, someone is keeping an eye on him.
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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 05:40 PM
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17. Add to this the NYT poll showing 29% approval.
This administration has never been less liked and/or shakier.

When capturing animals no time is more dangerous than the moment they realize they are cornered.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 06:09 PM
Response to Reply #17
21. That was in New York State, only.......
not nationwide. Dammit!
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 05:42 PM
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18. A modern-day Night of the Long Knives? Sweet!
We need a good slaughter of the not-so-innocents once in awhile.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 05:59 PM
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19. the only thing that negates this scenario...
is the survival instinct of the people around him. Make no mistake, they have very powerful, very capable (if amoral) people near him who would take him out in a heartbeat if he started going troppo. I'm sure there's a security provision for this (there is for everything else). Bush is capable of anything, but he does have others around him who might not be willing to sell out their future finances for George's temper tantrum.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 06:00 PM
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20. I've always wondered about his "nicknames" and touching bald heads.
Both indicate a need to exert control by demeaning individuals.

Remember back in school how school-yard bullies would either 1) give you a "nickname," usually an unflattering one (ie, "Brownie" for Brown), or 2) point out some physical difference through a gesture, (ie, rubbing a bald head). Sometimes these were excruciatingly mean as the differences could be physical or mental ("Hey, fatso!" or "Hey, retard!")

I never like Bush because I saw these qualities in him the very instant he announced his candidacy for POTUS back in '98(?). The more I read about him, the less I liked. And I resented the way the Corporate Media tried to make these anti-social characteristics out to be "folksy" or all part of his "charm offensive."

The more I learned about George W. Bush, the more I felt like I had returned to junior high...
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:30 AM
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42. The Corporate Media's favorite term for him was...
"Towel-snapper." Oh yeah, they thought that was such a fabulous description of him. NY Times especially.

Made me sick at the time and makes me even sicker now.




Cher
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 06:14 PM
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22. Good points ... But from what I've been told..
No POTUS literally has his finger on the button....when push comes to shove, that ultimate action will be military in nature..done with the final wink of an eye from a General...and I'm not so sure that person is a yes man...
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 06:26 PM
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24. Bush's appearances
Has anyone noticed how erratic Bush has been lately? From searching for "Bianca" at a press conference, to appointing Harriet (the one choice that could annoy everyone), he seems to be acting oddly - and he even looks incredibly different lately. He seems tired, haggard, irritable, and depressed. Even the smirk has faded away. It can't just be Katrina - it's been a month & he keeps heading downhill. Personally, I think he's cracking up. It's got to be the investigation - he must know what's coming & is dreading it. In the last Rose Garden conference, he was rambly & disengaged until a reporter asked him about the leak - then he stood bolt up & I could swear I caught a brief look of pure terror.
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Bernardo de La Paz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 07:02 PM
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32. He still has that nervous laugh when is "splaining" something obvious.
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niallmac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 06:31 PM
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25. I think NASA should install a destruct package on the prez
in case like some errant missile he goes ballistic.
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specimenfred1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 06:37 PM
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27. The Article Also Presumes He Is "Running Things"
as opposed to the puppet he really is. I think the worst thing he would do is leave town/vacation.

Rovenazi and Cheneynazi are calling the shots, if they're doing anything at all other than collecting money and covering their butts with Fitz coming after them. I'm sure Scumsfeld is doing some ordering around too.

They're just carrying on with their PNAC world domination plan regardless of reality. I don't think they are capable of ever having some moment of insight that changes them. That is, until death stares them in the face, like with NancyAIDSReagan's stem-cell stance.
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despairing optimist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 06:43 PM
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30. Similar fears applied to Nixon. "The Final Days" by Woodward/Bernstein
related stories of Nixon's drinking, growing depression, mood swings, and general emotional instability. At that time the Joint Chiefs, Secret Service, White House staff, and national security people had an arrangement to ignore any direct orders from him to nuke the USSR and China. I think orders had to be cleared through good ol' Alexander Haig (the guy who said "I'm in charge now" just a bit prematurely).

So I wouldn't lose much sleep over this. If worrying solved problems, I would have saved the whole world by now. Cheney and Rummy aren't exactly loved at CIA and the Pentagon either. If things get that bad, subordinates will be looking to save themselves rather than follow orders that could haunt them afterward.
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Bernardo de La Paz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 07:01 PM
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31. Whole Iraq War: Bush violent reaction to assassination attempt on father.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 07:32 PM
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34. Remember what he told Woodward?

Asked by Woodward how history would judge the war, Bush replied: "History. We don't know. We'll all be dead.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 08:48 PM
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37. I fear a neocon conspiracy to assasinate W.....he would be
a martyr....then we're stuck with cheney, etc. I want this sicko prez to stay alive so he can suffer humiliation after humiliation.
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 09:18 PM
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38. Bush did fail the nuke programs 'human reliability screening' in the 70's
That is why he had his flying privlidges taken away- they couldnt trust him with nuclear weapons and the plane he flew was nuke-capable.

I bet he does not have full control to launch.

I bet the English know this :)
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 10:30 PM
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40. People have learned of Bush's drinking problem.
Didn't Nixon used to have a drinking problem?
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