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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 05:50 PM
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CNN Poll: Should New Orleans be rebuilt?
You have got to be kidding!

Yes 48% 46741 votes
No 52% 51653 votes

http://www.cnn.com/
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 05:53 PM
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1. Done
Yes 48% 47502 votes

No 52% 52415 votes


Total: 99917 votes

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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 08:54 AM
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21. Can we build it on higher ground? So people are safe????
Why put people back in danger?
That makes no sense to me.
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LonelyLRLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 05:54 PM
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2. Good Gawd! NO is a historical treasure trove
not to mention a hell of a place to have fun. There is no place like it. I just hope the preserve the ambiance of the place when building new houses, etc. Need a strict design code, for sure. It will be back, screw the naysayers.
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 07:47 PM
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13. From the current poll results, it looks like Rush has done his job.nt
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 05:57 PM
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3. done!
:wtf:
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 06:00 PM
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4. NEW ORLEANS
For F&^(*^%*&^*&-IN sakes its an American City

If this was Houston, or Dallas, they would rebuild
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 06:02 PM
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5. think Venice.
There is something about building upon a sinking swamp, with oil and gas pumped from underneath, and the gentle, but noticeable shifting of the entire city, sinking and sliding DOWN the continental edge. So, without constant replenishing of the mudflats and routine minor floods to replenish the original height, the city will continue to sink.

With global warming, the incidence and strength of the storms in the gulf has grown and continues to do so.

I dunno. Put those two parts together, and I suspect that we need to re-evaluate, on a less emotional level, a cold hard look at that great old city.

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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 06:04 PM
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6. Sure, but somewhere else
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 07:00 PM
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11. somewhere else? check your map
new orleans is where it is for a reason

those who don't want new orleans rebuilt should take the first step

don't drink any coffee or eat any food shipped thru the port of new orleans at the mouth of the mississippi river

oh, & don't forget, don't put any more gas in yr car from the northern gulf of mexico either

if you don't want to rebuild, you can damn well start drilling off shore florida & california & go to hell as far as i'm concerned

we're not here sitting on our butts showing our tits & being "historical"

we are a working city, one of the most important ports in the world

i'm tired of ignorant ppl thinking their opinion based on total ignorance of geography & economic reality is just as valid as an
opinion based on FACTS

cnn & fox news & the rest of the agents of stupidity can bite me
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 07:36 PM
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12. Hey, bidniz is one thing; T&A is another. G E O G R A P H Y is yet another
Edited on Wed Oct-05-05 07:37 PM by antifaschits
Look, the city is sinking. Has been for decades. It is getting lower, and taking its dikes and canals with. The more oil and gas and fresh water that is pumped out (and there are some huge reserves there) the lower it goes.

The Mississippi used to replenish that land in two ways.
a) it kept the mossy peat and mud wet, lumpy, spongy and above the river level.
b) the silt it ADDED to that landmass ADDED more silt and elevation, replenishing, by nature's gentle touch, everything that sunk.

You build a levee, I don't care how strong or high, and you stop the spongy earth from staying that way. It dries out. It collapses. It becomes brittle, hard, compact and does not accept water anymore. not even rain water. Compound that problem by 200 yrs of drying.

you build a levee, I don't care how strong or high, and you stop one of the biggest, silt-filled rivers in the entire globe from carrying earth and mud and adding it onto your delta (namely New Orleans) it will disappear.

you build a levee, I don't care hor high or strong, and you pump out billions of gallons of water, gas and oil from underneath, and the land above will get even lower. Fast. (talk to central illinois about subsidence from oil and coal removal - they got entire million dollar neighborhoods collapsing now) Surprisingly fast.

and finally,

you build a levee, I don't care how strong or high, and if the entire city starts SHIFTING DOWNHILL, along the edge of the continental plate, down toward the ocean, (how do I put this kindly without yelling?) THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL TO KEEP IT OUT OF THE WATER! IT IS BLOODY SINKING INTO THE OCEAN.

Hey, I am emotionally torn by this too. I have had great times with food, music and more there. It is an economic center of extreme importance. IT IS SINKING UNDER THE WATER. that is fact, not fiction.

This is physics, hydrology, chemistry and math - not wishful thinking. Once we take this into account, then the solutions are more obvious. as I said, Venice.
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 06:44 PM
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24. New Orleans' location...
...was dictated by necessity to find the shortest route from the Mississippi to the Gulf.

You mentioned the edge of the continent. New Orleans technically isn't located on the continent. It sits on a large muddy promontory jutting into the sea. If you look at a map, it's fairly evident the lower portion of Louisiana is a massive delta, built by eons of silt deposits. As a result of this, the river also takes a circuitous route -- that often changed course of its own volition -- to the open water of the Gulf of Mexico.

French explorers discovered a short portage used by the indigenous people to go from Pontchartrain to the river and New Orleans' locale followed suit.

The solution to the NOLA conundrum then is to find bedrock while staying as close to the coast as possible.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 06:27 PM
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7. OMFG!!!
This is so totally obscene and unreal!

:banghead:
:banghead:
:banghead:
:banghead:
:banghead:
:banghead:
:banghead:

:nuke:
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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 06:50 PM
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8. Unbelievable!
Still No 52% Yes 48%

107573 total votes
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Darth Lib Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 06:55 PM
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9. Would you buy a house below sea level in NOLA?
Would you really?

Would you rely on the same people who built and managed the old levees to protect your house again?
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Bleed Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 08:58 PM
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16. Wait,
Correct me if i'm wrong but was there not a warning about the levi breaking under that kind of storm and it was all set to reinforce it but Bush cut the funding for it? I say rebuild but not before reinforcement, that would be silly as next year the same thing could happen again.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 09:14 PM
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17. ahah! brownie's blame game!
sorry, I could not resist, after seeing the Daily Show on that point.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 07:40 AM
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19. Hi Bleed!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 06:56 PM
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10. KamaAina Poll: Should CNN be re-programmed?
I vote, not just Yes, but Hell Yes!
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 07:55 PM
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14. my vote::
yes, and Washington DC should be torn down.
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lotus Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 08:49 PM
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15. Logic must prevail
Sure rebuild, but not where it is now. In addition to it sinking further and becoming ever increasingly costly as time goes on and global warming progresses, think of the environmental damage each time it floods and all that toxic crap gets submerged and then into the water and spread everywhere and poisons the fish in the ocean.

Sure, partying and jazz and flashing boobs is fun, but think of the environment people. Have your city, but back it up a few dozen miles!


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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 07:41 AM
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20. Hi lotus!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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lotus Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 05:42 PM
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22. Thanks!
And guess what, I just discovered the My Posts icon. This'll make things easier... WOW what a huge volume of posts this site gets. How do you folks keep up?

:hi:
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tlsmith1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 09:18 PM
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18. They Should Rebuild NO
But don't turn it into some white, upper-class tourist trap. Keep the *good* things about New Orleans, like jazz music & its' unique culture. I would hate to see NO become a boring place like so many other US cities. I am all for uniqueness. It makes life more interesting.

Tammy
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 06:36 PM
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23. Build it where people will be safe. not
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