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garybeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 08:32 AM Original message |
Makes me ill: Democrats plan shift to center..... |
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ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 08:33 AM Response to Original message |
1. a good shift leftward to center would help. They went so far right. |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 08:36 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Exactly... |
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senaca (173 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 12:42 PM Response to Reply #1 |
98. A leftward to center would help. |
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IntravenousDemilo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 01:12 PM Response to Reply #1 |
109. The American idea of "left", "right", and "centre" is all wrong. |
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ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 02:19 PM Response to Reply #109 |
120. shame on you. You are just showing us up w/ real choice stuff. |
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mattclearing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 08:34 AM Response to Original message |
2. It's based on a false premise. |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 08:34 AM Response to Original message |
3. Democrats plan nothing - two strategists say they should - not the same |
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ret5hd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 08:35 AM Response to Original message |
4. DLC tripe if you ask me (i know, you didn't ask) |
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Jon8503 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 08:35 AM Response to Original message |
5. Not me, not going with them to the center. N/T. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 08:36 AM Response to Original message |
7. If Kerry actually ran to the left, there might be a debate. |
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JohnnyBoots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 08:38 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. good point n/t |
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Jose Diablo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 01:55 PM Response to Reply #7 |
116. He gave that speech at the convention |
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atommom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 08:36 AM Response to Original message |
8. I'm very suspicious of these two "experts." I hope the Dems |
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iconoclastNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 09:29 AM Response to Reply #8 |
56. Exactly |
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Ladyhawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 11:49 AM Response to Reply #8 |
78. There was some guy on DU who claimed to be a Dem strategist. |
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Ravenseye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 08:36 AM Response to Original message |
9. Dems shift to center, Repubs shift further right |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 08:37 AM Response to Original message |
10. who the hell is Thomas B. Edsall? |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 08:55 AM Response to Reply #10 |
33. A Sr. editorial writer for the WashPost. A dead newspaper in need of new |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 08:38 AM Response to Original message |
12. They take the center, I leave the party. The "center" got us where we are |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 11:42 AM Response to Reply #12 |
76. They want to run us out of the party, IMO |
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garybeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 12:08 PM Response to Reply #76 |
83. I don't think they want us to run out of the party but that will |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 08:39 AM Response to Original message |
13. Dems shift right, I shift Green. I do not think I am alone. |
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garybeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 08:40 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. I'm with you. Maybe we should all |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 08:46 AM Response to Reply #15 |
21. We do not need 1000s of voters, ... |
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garybeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 08:48 AM Response to Reply #21 |
26. no it wasn't inadequate |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 09:04 AM Response to Reply #26 |
39. prove it. |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 09:17 AM Response to Reply #39 |
50. We don't have SUPOENA POWER, but we have proved it to the House Judiciary |
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garybeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 09:25 AM Response to Reply #39 |
53. you haven't seen any evidence? I guess you haven't looked |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 11:52 PM Response to Reply #39 |
135. Jeebus! Of course you haven't seen evidence! |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 09:13 AM Response to Reply #21 |
46. It was not inadequate it was FRAUD! I am hoping for the breaking up |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 09:45 AM Response to Reply #46 |
65. You are hoping for irrelevancy. |
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LincolnMcGrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 09:52 AM Response to Reply #65 |
71. Actually the right is close to being irrelevant. |
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IntravenousDemilo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 01:15 PM Response to Reply #71 |
112. Gny? n/m |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 12:35 PM Response to Reply #65 |
92. the 2 party system has evolved from the elitist proposition that they want |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 09:31 AM Response to Reply #21 |
58. RE: Fraud |
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garybeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 09:49 AM Response to Reply #58 |
69. that is not correct. |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 12:40 PM Response to Reply #58 |
96. Ohio was not the lone state where fraud occured . It was a landslide. |
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Jose Diablo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 03:30 PM Response to Reply #96 |
129. You got that right, I saved a printout from right after the election |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 11:50 AM Response to Reply #15 |
80. Gary, please read post #76, just upthread |
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nvliberal (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 08:46 AM Response to Reply #13 |
22. If one shifts Green, one shifts Republican. n/t |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 09:20 AM Response to Reply #22 |
51. No, if one shifts DLC, one shifts Republican. Big difference between |
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acmejack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 09:56 AM Response to Reply #51 |
72. Spot on, Mom! |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 12:24 PM Response to Reply #72 |
90. thanks, Mom part means kids and I fight not only for my kids but all the |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 12:38 PM Response to Reply #13 |
95. You shift green, you open the door for torture. |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 08:40 AM Response to Original message |
14. Never heard of Galston and Kamarck before today. |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 08:41 AM Response to Original message |
16. more DLC BS - from TWO people, but they get all the ink cause the ELITE |
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soleft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 08:43 AM Response to Original message |
17. So....we have to execute retarded people in order to win? |
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melissinha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 08:44 AM Response to Original message |
18. We need votes on democratic issues |
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garybeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 08:47 AM Response to Reply #18 |
23. we need our votes to count! |
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melissinha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 08:53 AM Response to Reply #23 |
31. absolutely, that's one of those issues |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 08:44 AM Response to Original message |
19. Bit of a dilemma. |
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LincolnMcGrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 08:55 AM Response to Reply #19 |
32. It's about framing wedge issues, period. |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 09:08 AM Response to Reply #32 |
43. can't be done |
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LincolnMcGrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 09:32 AM Response to Reply #43 |
60. Can be done. |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 09:42 AM Response to Reply #60 |
63. Those who support abortion. |
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LincolnMcGrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 09:48 AM Response to Reply #63 |
66. "Those who oppose medical privacy." |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 09:51 AM Response to Reply #66 |
70. They are the same people! |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 12:06 PM Response to Reply #63 |
82. Bull. The majority of repub women are in favor of choice |
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incapsulated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 01:13 PM Response to Reply #32 |
111. Yes, but these two geniuses are *against* framing |
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RethugAssKicker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 09:20 AM Response to Reply #19 |
52. North East intellectual liberals ???? |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 09:40 AM Response to Reply #52 |
62. That would be true ... |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 12:34 PM Response to Reply #52 |
91. Oh, shut it about South Eastern people. |
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RethugAssKicker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 02:18 PM Response to Reply #91 |
119. Look at the educational records and scores. |
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fhqwhgads (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 09:44 AM Response to Reply #19 |
64. you have a point... |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 09:48 AM Response to Reply #64 |
67. Clinton did it. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 01:50 PM Response to Reply #64 |
115. Welcom To DU |
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calico1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 08:46 AM Response to Original message |
20. The Party has already shifted too far to the |
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Larkspur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 08:47 AM Response to Original message |
24. Dems shift to center = Dems being permanent minority party |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 08:47 AM Response to Original message |
25. Did these Dems help write Bush's speech yesterday? |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 08:51 AM Response to Original message |
27. Just as the GOP Right is fragmenting, the Dems should also fragment and ? |
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Stand and Fight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 08:52 AM Response to Original message |
28. I call bullshit. |
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garybeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 09:29 AM Response to Reply #28 |
55. me too |
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Stand and Fight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 11:49 AM Response to Reply #55 |
79. And so we agree, garybeck. |
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MisterP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 03:33 PM Response to Reply #55 |
131. the PPI is a think thank with a PNACer chief and a PNAC agenda |
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LincolnMcGrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 08:52 AM Response to Original message |
29. More DLC B.S. |
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Dhalgren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 08:53 AM Response to Original message |
30. Is it just me or do these two statements contradict each other? |
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melissinha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 09:00 AM Response to Reply #30 |
35. I was thinking that this morning |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 09:13 AM Response to Reply #30 |
45. The embedded lie is about who "most Americans" are |
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acmejack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 09:00 AM Response to Original message |
34. A couple of Bios for the authors. |
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LincolnMcGrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 09:05 AM Response to Reply #34 |
40. Great find! I really didn't need to look though. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 09:00 AM Response to Original message |
36. Flamebait in the Post? FALSE DICHOTOMY! |
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Cults4Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 12:52 PM Response to Reply #36 |
103. Exactly!! Why is this so hard for Dems to grasp! How many non-voters |
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garybeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 09:04 AM Response to Original message |
37. I'll tell you what "to the center" means |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 09:04 AM Response to Original message |
38. Illegal wars |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 09:05 AM Response to Original message |
41. I Just Win To Elections.. |
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garybeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 09:28 AM Response to Reply #41 |
54. that is useless. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 09:32 AM Response to Reply #54 |
59. Conservatives And Moderates Are Too Stupid To Know They Are Liberal |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 12:11 PM Response to Reply #41 |
86. Those numbers are meaningless. Everyone considers themselves |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 01:32 PM Response to Reply #86 |
113. I Disagree... |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 02:10 PM Response to Reply #113 |
118. That's the sort of crap strawman argument I'd expect to hear from Rush. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 02:47 PM Response to Reply #118 |
124. I'm A Pragmatist... I Want To Win Elections... Martyrdom Doesn't Suit Me |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 09:06 AM Response to Original message |
42. The moderate wing of the Republican Party is what they want to become. |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 09:08 AM Response to Original message |
44. Damn the well-educated! Everyone knows the more educated you are |
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bee (894 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 09:14 AM Response to Original message |
47. "Galston and Kamarck -- whose work was sponsored by Third Way" |
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leesa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 09:15 AM Response to Original message |
48. More DLC "I wanna be a Republican" crap. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 09:16 AM Response to Original message |
49. Right, center, or left |
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Mutley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 09:30 AM Response to Original message |
57. A shift to center puts them closer to liberals than they are now! |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 09:34 AM Original message |
The Strategy, Idiots(!), Is To MAKE The Middle Lean Left |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 09:34 AM Response to Original message |
61. Complete load of crap based on a false premiss,,, |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 09:48 AM Response to Original message |
68. It's WaPo Bull |
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Toots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 10:06 AM Response to Original message |
73. What they are saying is "We already have the left's vote so we will go for |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
74. Who the hell are we talking to? |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
75. DLC horse hockey |
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smartvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
77. Interesting timing -- just as the right is imploding, DLC crap about not |
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ultraist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
81. PAID FOR by: Hillary Clinton for Pres campaign |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
84. They'll shift right if the public LETS them- you bet. Lots of money in it. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
85. I wonder if Edsall snuck in a little satire at their expense... |
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the_real_38 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
87. That's one way to get me to not vote for them... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
88. This is why we support the DNC and Dean. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 12:37 PM Response to Reply #88 |
94. I hope Dean has some choice words to say about this "study" n/t |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 02:33 PM Response to Reply #88 |
123. Kamarck was one of Dean's people in the primaries. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 07:04 PM Response to Reply #123 |
133. Elaine K. posted at the blog for a while after the election... |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 07:18 PM Response to Reply #133 |
134. I agree. I don't know why she wants to buck Dean now. |
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crispini (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
89. Your headline completely misrepresents the article's content. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
93. Time for a schism? |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
97. At This Point, a Shift to the Center WOULD Be a Left Turn |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
99. The Democratic voters are more centrist than DUers acknowledge. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 12:48 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. When has moving right unambiguously helped Democrats? |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 12:55 PM Response to Reply #100 |
105. Yes. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 01:12 PM Response to Reply #105 |
110. Mondale and McGovern ran against allegedly popular incumbents |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 01:44 PM Response to Reply #110 |
114. When Did A Democrat Run As A LiberalAnd Win? |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 02:23 PM Response to Reply #114 |
121. Johnson, despite his war, ran as the Great Society liberal |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 03:08 PM Response to Reply #121 |
126. " despite his war, " |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 01:58 PM Response to Reply #100 |
117. A More Useful Exercise |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 02:28 PM Response to Reply #117 |
122. I would take Clinton over this crap for sure. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 03:15 PM Response to Reply #122 |
127. It's Not About Going Right... |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 03:18 PM Response to Reply #127 |
128. Kerry definitely moved right. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 03:30 PM Response to Reply #128 |
130. Exactly... |
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ultraist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 12:49 PM Response to Reply #99 |
101. Your article is about Deaniacs |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 12:56 PM Response to Reply #101 |
106. I think most people will catch the similarity. n/t |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
102. Well, that worked so well in 2000 and 2004, we definitely |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
104. I don't see where it says the Dems are planning anything |
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IntravenousDemilo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
107. Never trust consultants |
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Ksec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
108. Does it matter? |
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LSdemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
125. Incredibly misleading thread title |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
132. Considering the DLC admitted that centrists ARE NOT the base... |
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