POLL: What kind of Democrat do you trust to represent you in DC?

[yurbud]

Right now, there is a struggle in the Democratic party. The DLC wing is trying to squelch the progressives, so they can take over from the collapsed GOP as the corporate compliant party.

Who do you trust?

[Mass]

1. Other - I never look at labels, I look at records.

[Hobarticus]

2. Now THAT's a good one...

That should be a bumper sticker.

[melissinha]

5. thats what I have been writing about today

We need roll calls that reflect progressive values from these people, ideology aside we need to a good record to defend democrats in campaigns, and need records to fight neocons with.

[yurbud]

12. labels are a starting point--they tell you what the person CLAIMS

their record tells you if what they DID matches.

There are more conservative Democrats I like, but the DLC as a group seems to be determined to be the new pro-corporate party.

I would like party labels to mean more than the jerseys in a basketball game.

[Mass]

13. No, labels are nothing

There are people from the DLC that have much better records than self-proclaimed Progressives. Sometimes people here call progressives people who are not at all simply because they agree with them on one issue.

So I will continue to disagree with you on that. I could not care less about labels. I look at votes and I dont like conservative Democrats in general (DLC or not).

[yurbud]

14. if you mean Dianne Feinstein, you are right. There are window-dressing

progressives who use left wing cultural issues exactly the way the righties use the religious right.

But people are seeing through that.

It's not enough to be right on symbolic issues, you have to be right on real life issues.

[Mr_Spock]

55. Same here - nothing like a loaded poll "what's good enough for corp..."

What a rediculous way to "push" a poll. Makes sense knowing the posters' history however...

[Mark E. Smith]

3. Yawn

More nonsense from the "let's divide and be conquered" crowd.

[iconoclastNYC]

6. Oh yeah.....like the conservatives

really divided the Republican party and got conquered. Went from being out of the government for 30 years to capturing all three branches of government.

Democrats have a right and obligation to see what forces are remaking the party in thier image. Republicans have done enuf for Corporate America.

The DLC mission: transform the Democratic Party into the Republican Party’s Junior Varsity Squad

[yurbud]

8. and the DLC study slamming progressives isn't divisive?

Obviously, they are worried if they are paying the same transparent shills to post here that the GOP uses on other forums.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/06/AR2005100601645.html

[paulk]

37. what's divisive about it?

Be specific.

Do you disagree with some or all of the points made? Do you reject it just because it was put out by a DLC offshoot? Or do you feel all the arguments made are invalid?


You've made a blanket statement, I'd be interested in seeing you back it up...

[MrBenchley]

20. Yeah, but it's swell to hear

"democrats" telling us Democrats are "ever-silent money-sucking baboons" and the like. </sarcasm>

[LincolnMcGrath]

28. It is also swell to hear

dlc "democrats" telling us Democrats to avoid far left extremists such as This Liberal Democrat and the like.

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[LincolnMcGrath]

33. Are you refering to the dlc distancing itself

from self proclaimed libs like you?

[MrBenchley]

35. Gee, far as I can see

the DLC was warning Democrats should distance themselves from far left imbeciles like the ANSWER crowd...and it sure seems like good advice to me.

But then I'm a liberal Democrat and don't sit around pimping for independents and third parties. Nor do I have to pretend David Brock doesn't head up Media Matters.

[LincolnMcGrath]

36. How about a little party loyalty for a change!

You better look a little closer at their recent statements.

[MrBenchley]

38. I'm happy with what I had to say...

But then I wasn't pimping for a guy whose fringe party fell apart under him....

[LincolnMcGrath]

42. Yeah, I was pimping for the man,

not the message

not the methods


Just the man. :eyes: Me and The Nation magazine, pimps for third party wackos.

[MrBenchley]

45. Tee hee hee...

"pimps for third party wackos."
Actually it's even lamer than that...you were pimping for a guy whose third party fell apart underneath him. He doesn't even have a third party.

And as I've said more than once, if he's such hot shit, let him join the Democrats.

[LincolnMcGrath]

46. I just used your own words

:shrug:

But, don't let your own words stop you from spinning.

It has gone clear over/or around your head though.

You need to concentrate on getting the dlc to allow self prolaimed proud libs like yourself to have a say in the Democratic party.

[MrBenchley]

48. Feel free to join Bernie's party then...oops!

"You need to concentrate on getting the dlc to allow self prolaimed proud libs like yourself to have a say in the Democratic party."
I do. Nor do I have much of a bitch with the party.

And if Bernie's such hot shit, let him become a Democrat. Until then, he's a useful tool.

[LincolnMcGrath]

49. tee hee hee

[MrBenchley]

50. Yup....I'm laughing too.

[LincolnMcGrath]

52. Is that a laugh or cackle?

How about a little party Unity?

[MrBenchley]

53. It's a BIG old laugh and a half

[LincolnMcGrath]

59. As we can all see, but why must you insist on all the

Democrat Bashing?

:shrug:

[MrBenchley]

60. See if you can find something even older....

it makes you sound even more silly and desperate...

[LincolnMcGrath]

63. Is that what it shows?

Looks more like some far lefty trying to divide the party. I am glad however that you have switched sides.


Credibilty: Look it up.

[Mark E. Smith]

29. Same old same old

I've come to the conclusion that these are pretty much the same folks who tried to convince anyone foolish enough to listen back in 2000 that there really wasn't much difference between Al Gore and George W. Bush, and that if you didn't vote for Nader you were doing little more than serving the diabolical needs of corporate America and its international conspiracy of evil.

And we now know what a boxcar full of bullshit that turned out to be.

[MrBenchley]

30. Exactly so...

I'm goddamn sick of this crap--let's have a little party loyalty for a change.

[NNadir]

43. I tend to hold a low opinion of people who call themselves "progressive."

"Progressive" is often an oxymoron, since progress is seldom involved in what they promise but mostly don't deliver.

It is rather analogous to the term "neoconservative," which has very little to do with "conserving" anything and is therefore also oxymoronic. (The "Neo" part of the term is less oxymoronic, since neoconservatism is really about something radically new, if completely immoral - the idea that the United States should be a family run violently imperialist oligarchy.)

My political philosophy is morally guided pragmatism, the sort of practice that is, happily, best exemplified by my congressman, the incomparable Rush Holt. I am perfectly comfortable in the Democratic Party. I recognize our party's imperfections but I don't elevate them to the status of urgency. I believe it is more important to defeat the Repukes than it is to be ideologically perfect.

[MrBenchley]

51. I don't see anything wrong with "Liberal"

and i'm a big Rush Holt fan...

"I believe it is more important to defeat the Repukes than it is to be ideologically perfect."
A-a-a-a-MEN!

[Mr_Spock]

57. I totally and completely agree with you

Happens to be this O/P's MO though - I would expect nothing less from this person.

[DanCa]

4. Other

I look at the persons entire record . One or two votes that I disagree with doesn't automatically disqualify him or her.

[Mr_Spock]

58. Agreed

I'm tired of this divisiveness. And this is clearly a "push" poll.

[mattclearing]

7. This kind of thing is simplistic and misses the point.

I would prefer a candidate who can work with corporations and persuade them that a best-case scenario involves sustainable growth by sustainable means...not outsized and unsustainable profit for profit's sake.

That candidate would likely be a progressive, because it stands to reason that only a progressive would entreat corporations to a discussion about their well-being and its correlation with the well-being of society. Such a person would see that investing in employees helps the economy because it gives people more buying power, which in turn helps corporations.

Republicans and most business leaders seem to think that you can screw everyone out of a job and still expect to sell them shit afterward. It's not a prescription for any kind of future worth living for.

[yurbud]

15. yep--but you can't persuade corporations if you are an EMPLOYEE

pretending to be an elected official.

[blindpig]

9. Protecting the people from moneyed interest is part of The New Deal.

I don't see how one can be a Democrat and reject the New Deal. To my mind the best way for the Democratic Party to recapture the electorate would be New Deal 2.0. The DLC is a traitor to the heritage of FDR.

[Seabiscuit]

10. People like Barbara Boxer and the Congressional Black Caucus

[porphyrian]

11. Looks like we have an accurate representation...

...of the ratio of DLCers to progressives on this poll. I just wish the fucking DLC would realize it and stop thinking they represent a majority. THEY are the radicals.

[yurbud]

17. I guess they can't afford enough shills to flip the poll.

[dogfacedboy]

16. I favor progressive values and RESPONSIBLE capitalism.

We need both. The capitalism needs to be separated from the government along with religion.

[yurbud]

19. now that's a good idea--separation of corporation and state

that would be a good talking point that would win over a lot of conservatives too.

[dogfacedboy]

24. Sread the word. n/t

[ThomWV]

18. How About None Of The Above? What The Hell Happed To My Party

What in hell has happened to the Democratic Party?

Does anyone remember the days when the Democratic Party represented the 'working man' while the Republicans were primarily the party of the 'bankers'?

The Democratic Party died with Lyndon Johnson's "Great Society" and it has never been revived. Today we have a split party, one half better called Republican-lite and the other Nut-case-heavy.

Where in hell is our support for education, peaceful international relations, sound fiscal policy with a focus on social improvement, national infrastructure improvement targeting improvement in the day to day lives of the vast majority of working Americans? It died and got itself burned up in a pyre of exaggerated concerns of what had previously been its splinter groups.

So as long as the Democratic Party is made up of the ever-silent money-sucking baboons that stuff its puppet face now I'm through with it. As far as I'm concerned at this moment the only person alive who speaks with a voice that should be the Democratic Party is Al Gore.

[applegrove]

21. A few corporations shouldn't be running the show & science. I need

protections from corporations & the market when it fails to deliver on important goals for my country & all the people in it.

[mandyky]

22. Other - The CBC

and I am white! LOL

The rest of them seem to cave and cower when the going gets tough.

I am definitely progressive though, and the DLC, as yoou can see in my sig line is not my friend!

[0rganism]

25. Yeppers, they've represented my white ass pretty well

Maybe it should be renamed the "Congressional Backbone Caucus"

[yurbud]

27. Damn! wish I thought of that!

[LincolnMcGrath]

23. I would kick this thread, but I have been asked to leave the party.

Dagnabbit!

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[LincolnMcGrath]

34. Is the dlc a party?

Show me where I have said I hate Democrats.

[MrBenchley]

39. Tell us first who told you to leave...

If you'll recall, I merely said I didn't care whether you stayed or went.

Still don't.

[LincolnMcGrath]

41. spin twist avoid dodge attack

rinse and repeat


on edit

If I post examples, will you just post another picture of nancy drew?

[MrBenchley]

44. Stay or go...

see if I give a rat's ass.

[LincolnMcGrath]

47. more spinning

tee hee hee

[louis c]

26. I voted other

We need pro-labor democrats that have working issues as priorities.

Let the social issues wait until we win for a change.

[johnaries]

40. See this thread for my opinion....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5010192

[krystine]

54. I am from Kansas.

With senators like Roberts and Brownback and Tihart as a representative, I would settle for Joe Lieberman.

[KingFlorez]

56. An honest one

As long as the person is honest and has integrity, they can be a progressive or a blue dog, it's not a problem for me.

[Adelante]

61. Other

I judge individual Democrats on policy issues. I trust Democrats who tell the truth as they see it. I don't necessarily have to agree with it. I'm not interested in chopping off entire wings of the party. This is because I would really, really like us to win some elections some day soon.

[goforit]

62. If ya vote for the DLC ya vote for Bush for 100 years.

:puke: