Would Rove rat out Bush to stay out of Jail?

[Quixote1818]

Man, I don't know what that little bastard would do in such a situation?

[Why Syzygy]

1. I REALLY doubt it.

Crime family and all.

[expatriot]

2. no. he knows that he'd be blacklisted or worse. he would be the martyr

serve his 5-10 in a minimum security white collar prison while writing a book.

[Walt Starr]

No, but I bet he would rat out Cheney.

My guess is, the Cheney/PNAC faciton in the White House has ratted out the Norquist/Rove faction in the White House.

There may be two unindicted co-conspirators in this one.

[H2O Man]

5. Exactly.

Nail-on-the-head. Well said.

[Walt Starr]

16. The only thing that has me flummoxed is the 8 redacted pages

and the definition of "treason".

You might want to think that bit of this through. Could be there's something there. ;)

[INdemo]

29. If the chips fall against Chenney ....

and he resigns,Bush then appoints McCain as VP ...the Gophers win..

[H2O Man]

37. Different people

define victory differently, I suppose.

[i miss america]

24. ITA! The fat phuck would rat out the big dick in a heartbeat

... faster than you can say defibrillator to save little boots

[serryjw]

40. That's a great T-Shirt

I Miss America

[thinkingwoman]

41. Yep...it's all there

right between the lines and the lies.

Plain as the red nose on W's face.

[chelsea0011]

3. Never. You are talking about a Presidency ending crime.

[SteppingRazor]

4. Depends on the sentence...

If it's no more than a couple of years in a minimum security place, I think Rove would take the heat. On the other hand, if they dump 20 years on the guy, he'll squeal like a pig.

[rodeodance]

11. msnbc was just saying that the WH was concerned with Rove being

asked to testify again before the grand jury. Sounded just recently but I missed it When did this happen?

[converted_democrat]

14. It was announced yesterday, but I don't think he has actually testified

again yet.

[converted_democrat]

6. I don't think so, why would he risk not getting pardoned? n/t

[DanCa]

7. Rove would sell his mother and any embryo he could find to get out of jail

Do you really think he has that much loyality?

[RaleighNCDUer]

23. It's not loyalty - it's self preservation.

He's been around the BFEE long enough to worry about being suicided.

[The Backlash Cometh]

8. Depends on how far this conspiracy goes.

Rove, Cheney, Rumsfeld, the usual PNAC suspects...this is their second time around. One wonders how it is they've survived this long, and what they were doing in between.

[WI_DEM]

9. I honestly don't think so

[soleft]

10. If he felt Bush had betrayed or abandoned him

there's no telling what Rove would do - maybe something like this but for real

[serryjw]

22. Rove's a BIG Boy

He knows he MUST take the fall. What the hell, he's write a book and make millions after a few years. He's retire in style and make more millions on the speaking/fundraising tour for their 2008 candidate.
Not a bad life if you can get it

[soleft]

26. Hell hath no fury like a fan boy scorned

http://bnfp.org/neighborhood/Lemann_Rove_NYM.htm

His first memory of George W. Bush was more precise. "It was the day before Thanksgiving, 1973," Rove said. "Chairman Bush´s chief of staff called me and said, 'I've got to be at a meeting on the Hill, the chairman´s got to be at a meeting at the White House, the other people in the office have already gone, and the eldest son is going to be coming down from Harvard. He's going to arrive at the train station, early afternoon. He'll call over here when he gets to the train station. Meet him down in the lobby and give him the keys to the family car." I can literally remember what he was wearing: an Air National Guard flight jacket, cowboy boots, bulletins, complete with the-in Texas you see it a lot-one of the back pockets will have a circle worn in the pocket from where you carry your tin of snuff, your tin of tobacco. He was exuding more charisma than any one individual should be allowed to have."

Hell hath

[serryjw]

42. I had forgotten that quote

He was exuding more charisma than any one individual should be allowed to have." Was Rove in a sexual state of excitement when he said this? A little weird.

[soleft]

27. dupe

[TallahasseeGrannie]

12. Great question and I have no idea

whether his loyalty is because of the payback or whether it is a moral issue to him.

I'd respect him more is he kept his mouth shut, although that is cutting off my nose to spite my face because I'd like to see the truth come out.

I think every man has a price though. I wonder what his is?

[Norquist Nemesis]

13. No. I have no doubt he'd take a bullet for him, too.

In some ways, Bush is his child. He's cultivated him, protected him, encouraged him, and done what it takes to get him in the Oval Office. There's no way in hell he'd ever betray him.

Besides, he knows it would be a death sentence for him.

[flyarm]

15. nooooooooooo! he would be suicided!

or in a very weird car wreck!!

or plane....................you get the picture!!

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

17. No, I think he loves him too much......literally. n/t

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

18. Not a chance.

It'd completely destroy his career.

[Quixote1818]

21. What if no one knew who talked?

Part of the deal might be to keep Roves deal silent. Then again it would seem quite obvious that Rove was the one who spilled the beans.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

43. I suppose..;.

It doesn't matter. Word would get out. For pigfuckers like Rove, the confidence and trust of your master is everything. I highly doubt he'd lay down in the face of anything less than a gaggle of US Marshals with handcuffs.

[tuvor]

19. There's no honour among thieves.

Or so I've heard.

[MemphisTiger]

20. No

he can be pardoned by Bush once he drags out his trial to the end of his administration.

[Carni]

25. In my opinion no-- but I think Cheney is on his way out

Remember when the Dick made a fool out of himself attending the holocaust memorial in the parka and hiking boots?

It occurred to me then that the Dick must have been sending a bold message to the chimp--message being IMO "I'm in charge here don't send me to do this shit again"

Since that time we have seen very little of the Dick.

I think there has been a power struggle between Cheney and bushit and I think Rove will deliberately funnel all of this back on Cheney's camp--I think that is why he is testifying, to save his ass and the chimps and to throw Cheney to the wolves.

Rove would never turn on his host body.

[NNN0LHI]

28. He would rat out his own mother to stay out of jail. Yes he would

Karl doesn't look like the type who would fair very well in a penitentiary. Bush is sweating.

Don

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

30. I think Rove is a Coward, & that he'd do anything to keep his turdblossom

ass out of jail. I believe that he is a meglomaniac too, and must feel himself far superior to shrub, and I just don't think he'd take the bullet for him.

[notadmblnd]

31. Rat out bush? I don't know

But what we do know is that the leaves on the Aspin change in clusters and that is because they are all connected at the roots.

Whether KKKarl is a root or leaf will determine the outcome of the pretzelents future.

[ElectroPrincess]

39. Rove ... IMO "Evil Incarnate" would rat out his twin brother to WALK n/t

[politick]

32. I'm reminded of Godfather II

when poor old Frank Pentangeli has to fall for the greater good.

Tom Hagen: When a plot against the Emperor failed... the plotters were always given a chance... to let their families keep their fortunes. Right?
Frank Pentangeli: Yeah, but only the rich guys, Tom. The little guys got knocked off and all their estates went to the Emperors. Unless they went home and killed themselves, then nothing happened. And the families... the families were taken care of.
Tom Hagen: That was a good break. A nice deal.
Frank Pentangeli: Yeah... They went home... and sat in a hot bath... opened up their veins... and bled to death... and sometimes they had a little party before they did it.

[Cults4Bush]

33. No but Cheney will...

at least I hope so.

[Dora]

34. No way. The threat of jail is nothing to these cretins. n/t

[gkhouston]

35. He'd definitely rat out Cheney or Rice. Bush... it depends.

He's ridden a long way on Bush's coattails, but if he thinks it's the end of the road and Bush is going to dump him in the shit, Karl just might decide he isn't cut out to be the martyr. If Bush were still in a position of strength and could somehow ameliorate things for him, Karl might be faithful unto death. From outward appearances, Bush appears to be disintegrating, in more ways than one, so I'm guessing Karl's going to look for a new sugar daddy or look out for himself until he can find a new sugar daddy. If he can play it right, he'll try to make himself look like the aggrieved victim while knifing everyone else in the WH.

[LibertyLou]

36. Sure, he would, to avoid EXECUTION....for TREASON.

Remember...special counsel's showing "decides the case"...

If they are talking about the espionage statute, it's not that great a leap to possible threat of the death penalty, particularly in cases that resulted in the deaths of agency 'assets' (read: people).

[ladjf]

38. No, because if he did, it would be very hazardous to his health.

[DearAbby]

44. I actually believe that Fitz is playing the two camps against the other

Libby/ Cheney camp and the Rove/ * Camp and get them all! Rove will protect * however he can, even take the rap and do the time. Unless there was a way to point a finger at the other camp.

[Jim__]

45. In a New York second!

Karl has no desire to share a cell with Bubba.

[tom_paine]

46. No. He would help arrange 9-11 #2 or a "bird flu outbreak"

before he would rat out his Emperor.

Remember, the Imperial Subjects of Amerika are insects to these people. They would murder us as easily as we swat flies.

Many, MANY would die before the Emperor are the Inner Circle face jail.

[enid602]

47. I'm conflicted.

On the one hand, I think that Rove is the only true ideologue of the bunch. He is the true believer. He was a leader of Young Republicans when Nixon went down, and started his shenanigans during that period. From what I've read, his whole life since has been devoted to the Republican renaissance which he's done much to enable. Cheney, as I see it, is marginally PNAC, but mostly a businessman and corporatist. Bush is a hanger-on.

What will happen when the true believer faces the judge? Rove's tendency to operate in the shadows (on behalf of people who are more politically salable) means that he will probably try to avoid conflict to the extent possible. I think he's essentially a coward, but so committed to the cause that he would do anything to save it, even if it means going down alone.