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patcox2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 02:16 PM
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It all started with Schiavo. Since then, downhill for Bush.
Loooking back, it all started with Schiavo; Schiavo was the "Dean scream" of the entire republican party, made every single republican involved look like an idiot or a psychopath or sometimes worse.

The scales started falling from people's eyes, and since then its been a relentless march downward for Bush.

Imagine, he was destroyed by a brain dead woman in a persistent vegetative state.
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 02:17 PM
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1. wasn't the bernard kerik withdrawl before schiavo?
can't remember, but it seems bushy has been in a steep decline for most of his second term...
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 02:21 PM
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4. I thought so, but it did not crystalize the "ineptness" issue like terri
I agree with this - very good analysis of when in time things went to hell in the public's mind.

Of course, the real point in time occured about the time of the chad issues in Florida.
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 02:18 PM
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2. It shouldn't take a brain dead woman in a persistent vegetative state
This doesn't speak well for the majority of Americans.

The most disturbing thing about the Bush administration to me is that it happened in the first place.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 02:23 PM
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5. You go with the braindead woman you have, not the one you want
Oops, mispost. I thought we were talking about the Supreme Court opening for a bit.
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 02:27 PM
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9. LOL, antifaschits. . .
made my day. thanks.
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hippiegranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 03:00 PM
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20. great post!
I laughed out loud... now I have to think of an excuse to tell my co-workers!
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BurgherHoldtheLies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 02:19 PM
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3. Totally agree. The Schiavo intrusion started the downward spiral
And thankfully for Pennsylvania, (P)ricky was front-and-center in that controversy...even hanging out in front of the hospice.
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MN ChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 02:26 PM
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6. I was thinking exactly the same thing
driving to work this morning. That was the "high point" so to speak, of theocratic neo-con Chimpism. It exploded in their faces like a loaded cigar and it's been straight down the crapper since then.
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BurgherHoldtheLies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 02:27 PM
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8. "Theocratic neo-con Chimpism"....Bwahahaha
Good one.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 02:27 PM
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7. Bill Frist, TV doctor
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BurgherHoldtheLies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 02:28 PM
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10. Fristing (definition):
Making a long distance diagnosis via videotape with your HEAD UP YOUR ASS.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 02:33 PM
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12. You gotta stop. I still have work to do. I'll scare my neighbors laughing
too hard.
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 02:28 PM
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11. there were several things
1. Iraq probably did more in the long term to wear down his poll ratings. The more bad news, more body bags and lack of direction have really hurt Bush. That and the lack of WMD

2. Schiavo---that made the Republicans look like complete assholes, willing to bend the rules to support nutcases in their party

3. Gas prices

4. General Incompetence and lack of direction

5. lack of any real boost to the economy in regards to ordinary people---in fact ordinary people are doing worse

6. Katrina

7. Indictments and proven cases of corruption
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 02:35 PM
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13. Bolton? Karen Hughes? social security? tax policy? vacation policy?
I like your list, too. I think if we added them all up, we'd have a day-by-day diary since sometime in 2001.
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 02:54 PM
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18. I almost forgot Social Security
that was a big, big blow to Bush's polls
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 03:44 PM
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33. luckily, it seems as though the shrub and his anti-american cronies
have also forgotten it for the time being.

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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 02:38 PM
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14. I think this was the moment >


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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 02:40 PM
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16. steph, I musta mist it. What (other than a JC representation) is that?
thanx
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 02:51 PM
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17. Jesus Christ on a Trailer Hitch
From the demos the religious wackos were holding outside Schiavo's hospice room.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 03:04 PM
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23. I get it! Now, I finally understand why so many people started saying
"Jesus Christ on a trailer hitch!" as an expletive a couple months ago.

OK. I'm a little slow.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 03:11 PM
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25. me, too (or three)
thanks!
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 03:14 PM
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26. LOL! You never saw that? They hauled him in on the trailer and then
they stood him up on the lawn for the protests. At the end of the day, they'd put him back on the trailer behind the SUV. Nice, huh?
;)
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patcox2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 03:20 PM
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28. I think you got it down to the second.
The whole Schiavo thing exposed the spittle-emitting lunatic-fundamentalist whackjob leanings of Bush and the rest of the republicans.
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Neocondriac Donating Member (732 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 02:40 PM
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15. I believe the tipping point was.....
Cindy Sheehan. When Bushy bolted to friendly ground in Utah and Idaho and still saw protesters that was the beginning of the end!
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Sir Jeffrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 02:58 PM
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19. I think you can go a few steps further back to this...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A12450-2005Jan15.html

"President Bush said the public's decision to reelect him was a ratification of his approach toward Iraq and that there was no reason to hold any administration officials accountable for mistakes or misjudgments in prewar planning or managing the violent aftermath.

"We had an accountability moment, and that's called the 2004 elections," Bush said in an interview with The Washington Post. "The American people listened to different assessments made about what was taking place in Iraq, and they looked at the two candidates, and chose me."

After reading/hearing this, I think many swing voters decided then and there to ask themselves what the hell had they done. All downhill since ("right track" numbers, "share your values" numbers, and of course numbers for specific issues like terra, iraq, etc).
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 03:01 PM
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21. he was destroyed by a brain dead woman in a persistent vegetative state.
IOW, he couldn't hack it even when evenly matched.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 03:01 PM
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22. No, I'd Say It All Started With Richard Clarke. He Was The Tall Oak
that managed to lodge himself between the riverbanks.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 03:11 PM
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24. Great point...
"he was destroyed by a brain dead woman in a persistent vegetative state."
I love it! Great line!

"made every single republican involved look like an idiot or a psychopath or sometimes worse."
By the way, let's not forget all the help Mel Martinez gave on ther issue. He had a staffer type up a bunch of talking points about how they could use Schiavo to bash Democrats and put them in a memo.

Then he handed a copy of the memo to a Democratic senator (was it Durbin? I forget.) saying "Here are some talking points you can use on Schiavo."

Then he denied that he had done so.

Then he claimed it was a dirty trick by the Democrats.

Then he claimed he did not know who gave him the memo in the first place.

Then he fired the staffer.
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patcox2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 03:22 PM
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29. Idiot or pyschopath or sometimes both.
I meant to say "both."
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 03:26 PM
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30. The thing that makes your post so prescient
now that I think of it is that a lot of what's gone on since is compared to Schiavo...especially the slow Katrina response....

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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 06:42 PM
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36. DSM IV(r) Dx: Idio-psycho-pathology (n) 135.67.(a) -(f)
For example, a person ill-equiped to lead or take on responsibility, pretending that he hears voices and that they are truly important in telling him what to do.
Diagnoses are typically hidden until alcohol and drug abuse re-appear and massive behavioral problems arise, with mostly simple activities. (See pretzel eating, bike-riding and wiping one's ass with the constitution)
Can be treated with a serious course of impeachment, imprisonment and institutional course no less than 15 years and no greater than 45 years.
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 03:17 PM
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27. It was a critical point. Wish it had happened before the election.
It was like watching a train wreck.

Moveon should turn Frist and the GOP response to Schiavo into a great 2006 ad and run it all over the country. A few facts we knew like how many hearings, judges, doctors all reached the same conclusion but Frist knew better.

Do you want Frist to review a video tape of your loved ones and make the diagnosis or the real doctors?
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patcox2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 03:27 PM
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31. Dems should do everything possible to provoke the fundies at every turn.
This has led me a little further to realize that the republicans look their worst when they are holding hands with lunatic anti-abortion protesters and other addled fools like them. Schiavo turned the public because the public really doesn't like those creepy head turned to the sky kneeling weirdos with their wailing and carrying around dolls and screaching and all, and Schiavo brought those nuts out in droves.

So, dems should do everything possible to provoke the fundamentalists, bring them out into the light of day. Dems should try to provoke fundie anti-science, anti-stem cell protests, imagine how great a spectacle that should be? The more these wahcks are seen and are associated with the republicans, the more the average swing voter turns against the republicans.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 03:42 PM
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32. and the good thing is, it takes so little effort
ooh, more dino-bones!
ooh, the world isn't flat!
ooh, lookie, the world is billions of years old!
ooh, we are genetically related to pigs!
ooh, dophins have larger brains, with significantly more pre-frontal-lobe activity than any fundie evangelical christian preachers do.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 04:18 PM
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34. It certainly seems like it
and it seems to have literally spelled the end for DeLay and Santorum.
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 04:21 PM
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35. buh buh but isn't this country mostly pro life?
Points finger at head pulls a pretend triggere sticks out tongue drops head.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 07:15 PM
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37. I called it "The Terry Schiavo Freeper Jesus Freak Show"
Starring George "The Baby (Sun) Killer" Bush
Jeb "The Impeachable Presidential Candidate" Bush
Tom "Pimped Terri, Unplugged My Dad" De Lay
Dr. Bill "The Video Diagnostician" Frist
Rev. Randall "Your Own Personal Jesus" Terry
And a cast of hundreds--of right wing Christian extremists!!!

:rofl:
rocknation


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