Video of House proceedings-SHAME-SHAME-SHAME

[Dr.Phool]

Pelosi calls out culture of corruption, Banana republic House.

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/10/07/house-block-vote/

Click on Pelosi's picture.

[SteppingRazor]

1. Why are we even surprised at bills like this anymore?

As long as large corporations are entitled to the same rights as individuals, but have far more money than individuals, they will continue to be the primary benefactor of government largesse.

[eppur_se_muova]

95. "As long as corporations are entitled to the same rights as individuals"

Oh, IF ONLY! Corporations have many more rights than individuals, and not just because they have more money. How many of your individual "operating costs" can you write off on your tax returns? Just barely enough to keep down the revolt. And when was the last time a corporation suffered the death penalty? Corporations which kill people by dumping toxic waste, failing to disclose the harmful effects of their products, etc. deserve exactly that. Big tobacco companies were caught red-handed -- their executives should all go to jail, the physical plant be sold off to pay medical bills, and the trademark names banned from use. And companies like Halliburton should simply be nationalized.

Yes, I AM ticked about this...

[Kurovski]

2. Nominated. This has to be seen to be believed.

Are we in America yet?

[MelissaB]

4. Agreed.

[Coexist]

16. I was watching it unfold, and it was a beautiful thing

it was nice to have DU to share the experience with.

[KingFlorez]

3. Great! I've been waiting for this

Thanks

[DURHAM D]

5. I can't get QT to work. I really want to watch this.

Does anyone know another source for the clip ? Thanks very much in advance.

[Dr.Phool]

7. I had to try it twice to get it to work.

Give it another shot.

[MelissaB]

8. Me, too. It takes a while to load.

Just be patient.

[PatriotMom]

105. Go to temporary internet files and pull it into a file in your offline ...

downloads. I have a real slow go with videos, so that is what I do. I let them load up go get them from Temp files and drag and drop into a file I have made in My Documents. They stream perfectly then and you have them offline as well, like when my kids come to visit and they need to see what has been happening. I use my video files all the time and don't have to wait for anything to load up. Don't laugh it is just my way...I have minimum computer knowlege, so doing the best I can.:blush:

[LeeB]

112. No blushing required

That's a pretty inventive solution!

I've just started reading this thread so don't know if someone already popped up with this method, but an easy, very fast way to download videos, audio clips, or PDFs, etc., is to right-click the link, choose "Save target as," then browse to the desired location on your computer, creating a new file if necessary, then click "okay" or "save" or whatever it sez . . . right this minnit, I forget.

[PatriotMom]

120. Hey very cool thank you for that info, will try that n/t

[Ron Green]

19. Did you ever get it working? Let me know how, or if you found

another source.

[Kurovski]

78. Here's another source from Crooks and Liars.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/10/07.html#a5275

I can't play Quicktime either, it seems my system has rejected that format (odd), so what I'll do is right click the video link, "save target as" and then once it's downloaded, right click "rename" and change the "mov" to "mpg", double click that and it should start.

[Junkdrawer]

90. .

[liveoaktx]

96. VIDEO CONVERTED TO WMV

I had the same problem
Windows Media Format-Shame from Think Progress

[ClintonTyree]

106. Great, I hate Quicktime......

and won't install it on my 'puter again. Thanks!

[Fridays Child]

6. So little, so late.

Where were the chants of "shame, shame, shame," when Bush stole two elections, started an illegal war, handed out tax cuts to the wealthy, and shredded environmental protections, to mention only a few outrages?

[Kurovski]

20. Well, the cries are here now.

My personal belief is that some outrageously filthy political tactics, the Anthrax attacks, and a couple of light-plane crashes helped to silence the opposition.

But paranoia aside, our leaders have only as strong a voice as the American people give them. As more of us have spoken up, so have they.

And as we already know, the Media has for the most part been on the side of the "unholy" for some time now. I wonder if they'll spin this as a "crybaby" moment, the lousy F'ers.

[IndyOp]

9. Email Aaron Brown, Anderson Cooper, Keith Olberman

Anderson Cooper: [e-mail]
Aaron Brown: [e-mail]
Keith Olberman [e-mail]

Tell them we want to see what really happened!

(I am copying from another thread - the original author of this post inspired me to write).

[Sapphire Blue]

10. Thank you for posting this!

[Ron Green]

11. Is there another link? I've given it a dozen tries. Thanks.

[gardenista]

14. Try hitting the little reload arrow on the viewer. nt

[Marie26]

12. How they did it - I think

I posted a super-long post on another thread about how the Republicans manipulated the procedure rules in order to pass this bill. (Sorry to repost - but I wasted lots of important work time researching this!):) Is this about right? Are there any experts on the rules of Congress here? http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5001513&mesg_id=5003620

[laylah]

80. Just as they did

during the medicare fiasco!

[Lasher]

82. Thanks for the analysis! (EOM)

[ptolle]

94. HELP PLEASE

Could someone here help me please find out how my representative voted on this travesty?I'd really appreciate it.I've searched every way I can think of but have not found a listing of how individual reps voted. I'll be checking back occasionally throughout the day.

[Sapphire Blue]

97. FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 519 - Courtesy of post #91

Edited to add: Thanks to 'Lasher'!

FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 519: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2005/roll519.xml

[seejanerun]

102. My Congressman (SessionsTX) is a total whore

Part of the letter I just wrote:

You call yourselves the party of values, and perhaps you are, if by values you mean belief in:

• Corporate control of government
• Torture
• Mass incarceration of Americans whose only crime is addiction
• Life sentences for petty three-strikes criminals
• Use of radioactive weapons
• Pollution for fun and profit
• Waging war against a noun
• Establishing religion in public life
• Winning hearts and minds through a show of force
• Mass killing of innocent people
• Replacing family farms with government-subsidized factory farms that trade in the misery of animals
• Lying to poor people about family planning alternatives
• Withholding the new cervical cancer vaccine from girls to punish them in case they have premarital sex
• Shouting down people who don’t agree with you
• Subsidies for pharmaceutical companies at the expense of affordable health care for citizens
• Subsidies for rich oil companies
• No-bid contracts for buddies and lobbyists
• Withholding the morning-after pill from rape victims
• Trashing an irreplaceable wilderness for short-term profit
• Lack of planning for alternative energy sources
• Lying to the public
• Forced taxpayer support of religious institutions
• Light sentences for executives who bilk millions from investors
• Wealth as a sign of favor from God
• Governmental control of women’s bodies
• Taxing the living over taxing the deceased
• Misnaming legislation to trick voters about its purpose
• Passing legislation without reading it
• Government intrusion into family affairs
• Suppression of dissent
• The dismantling of the Bill of Rights
• The Ten Commandments as the law of the land
• Corporate evasion of taxes through loopholes and off shore locations
• Free passes for war criminals
• Piggish spending on pet projects
• Government secrecy
• Extraordinary rendition
• One true religion (the other billions of people are wrong)
• Concentration of the public airwaves in the hands of the few, preferably big donors
• Indefinite incarceration without charge or access to counsel
• Robbing from future generations to pay for present-day whims and greed
• Deadening students with test-based education
• The politics of dirty tricks and personal attack
• Voting machines with no paper trail and secret source code
• Vote suppression in poor areas
• Propaganda disguised as news

Let me know if I left anything out.

[Sapphire Blue]

103. GREAT letter!!!

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

... and if you're new to DU, WELCOME!

[seejanerun]

109. Thanks. Not so new, just quiet.

I have learned a lot from you all.

[Sapphire Blue]

110. You definitely need to use your voice more often here!

:hi:

[gardenista]

13. God DAMN! Please, please let the Democrats keep up their momentum!

Thanks for posting this!

By the way, if you have trouble with the link, hit the tiny "reload" icon on the video viewer.

[Coexist]

15. if they don't shout to the high heavens about this now

it will happen again and again.

[gardenista]

18. Well, if you saw the press conference, even Steny Hoyer is standing up

and calling it as it is. That is a very, very good sign.

[gardenista]

17. If you have trouble with the QT, try hitting the little reload arrow

on the viewer. Even though I had the message "not enough bandwidth", when I hit the little reload icon, I got the video and it loaded fast.

[longship]

21. Is there a Linux friendly version of this?

Not everybody has the top secret decoder ring necessary to decode the proprietary I-work-only-on-technology-X media.

I can generally view and listen to standard Real, non-cutting edge Windows Media, non-cutting edge Apple Quicktime and, of course, MPEG (which is portable everywhere). This appears to be cutting edge Quicktime. I do not run Apple or Microsoft.

I'll look at all the usual places and see if I can find an alternate version for us Linux people.

[davidwparker]

70. Give OS X a try. Run it on my Powerbook and just purchased OS X Server

for my old G4 Graphite.

I do agree with you that servers should stream mpeg and let the people choose their favorite playback client. For me, it is QT.

[redacted]

In which fascist dictatorship did this take place? USSR? East Germany?

They sound like they're screaming "SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!" in American English. I didn't think they passed laws in English in those countries back then. . .

[izzybeans]

22. Is there some footage of earlier conflicts. Anything about the actual

arm twisting.

[Coexist]

23. All right - what six Dems didn't vote? and why?

<snip>
House Passes Refinery Bill After Seesaw Battle October 7, 2005
by Congressional Quarterly

fter a seesaw vote that GOP leaders held open long past the allotted time, the House this afternoon passed legislation to ease environmental reviews and take other steps to spur construction of new or expanded refineries. The final tally was 212-210. GOP leaders held the vote open until they succeeded in changing the votes of two of the 15 GOP holdouts who had voted against the measure. The count until then was stuck at 210-212, with six members of each party not voting. Democrats chanted "Shame! Shame! Shame!" after the gavel fell. Joe L. Barton, R-Texas, chairman of the Energy and Commerce Committee, last night stripped a contentious change to the Clean Air Act from his refinery bill at the request of House leadership and the White House. But even that was not enough to win clear sailing for the controversial measure.
http://www.c-span.org/capitolspotlight/

[alittlelark]

24. That was amazing. We are worse than a banana republic... we have nukes.

And I gotta say, I am sooo proud of Pelosi !!!

[in_cog_ni_to]

25. TOM DELAY was on the floor whipping up the votes!

He's doing exactly what he did before, without the title...just as he said he would do. The repukes in Congressman are afraid of him and won't stand up to him and tell him he isn't in charge anymore. Steny Hoyer had a press conference and said Delay was still doing his thing on the House floor. :grr:

[redacted]

36. And a Sargent-at-Arms with any integrity would have removed him from

the chamber IMMEDIATELY. That is a clear and unequivocal violation of the House's rules.

[mod mom]

26. Excellent. Now those are the Dems we want to see!

[Fleshdancer]

27. Believe it or not, I just saw it on Fox News

they included the "SHAME!" chant and even focused in on Delay on the floor...they drew a circle around him on a screen capture and highlighted the box so the viewer could see him more clearly. It was (I kid you not) a very well done segment. It even included Pelosi's "Culture of Corruption" slap down.

[Rose Siding]

39. I have to call her, along with my rep

She was magnificent

[marions ghost]

47. oh YEAH !

Pelosi needs to get some approval from We The People for this!
Who was the Rep who had the the "Banana Republic" accusation?

WOW--this made my day.

[BReisen]

58. It was Waxman, per this AP article

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20051007/D8D3CGQO0.html

[politianskissit]

69. Too much woman for most republicans...

This little woman knows how pack a punch doesn't she?

[Kurovski]

77. You can say that again, politianskissit.

And I'm pleased as punch to welcome you to DU! :hi:

[in_cog_ni_to]

28. O-M-G! They have NO SHAME!!!!! They're SO DAMN CORRUPT!

The Dems should RIOT on the House floor! :grr:

[redacted]

30. Why not just walk out in order to deny the quorum?

[XOKCowboy]

29. The "No Oilman Left Behind Act"

Great line..

Whadda buncha crooks.

[BigBearJohn]

31. Oh My God... is this really some BACKBONE at long last!!?!@#$

[progressoid]

32. Amazing. So what are we going to do about it?

[redacted]

37. Not sure this instant, but you can bet that this time a response

will be the focus of discussion among Democrats all weekend long.

[Carla in Ca]

51. That's my question

What can we do? I'll send a thank you to Pelosi, if she allows out-of-district emails. What else?

[mshasta]

33. shame on you shame on me...

the fool don't get fool again...:sarcasm:

[holboz]

88. LOL! One of my favoritre Bush-isms eom.

[redacted]

34. If our elected officials have no right to free speech on the House floor,

in their own chamber, because they are constantly shouted down every time they raise a parliamentary inquiry, then what good is this government?

Newt Get-rich shut down the government 10 years ago. Maybe the Democrats should now consider similar steps?

I am so angry over this I don't know how I'm going to focus on my job for the next hour and a half.

[chat_noir]

35. Shame Google search

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=Shame+Democrats

Word is out


edit: to change search parameters

[ClintonTyree]

108. Oh boy...this dipshit says the DEMOCRATS are responsible...

for high gas prices and wanting to keep the price of gas high. My gawd, some people are SO FUCKING STUPID! :banghead: How can anyone believe this shit? How fucking stupid do you have to be to actually BELIEVE this horseshit? :wow: I'm speechless.

http://www.pardonmyenglish.com/archives/2005/10/its_official_yo.html

To the owner of that.....web site. PLEASE DON'T HAVE CHILDREN! Let your bloodline stop right the hell where it is, we don't need any more stupid people in the world, we have enough already. My gawd, there is not one sign of critical thinking anywhere on that site, just mindless propaganda, parroted talking points.......utter crap.

My heart is crying for our country, these people can't be this stupid. I think I have to :puke:

[Rose Siding]

38. Oh man, that's exhilerating. I'm sending this one around.

THAT'S the victory that is available to dems now. UNITE and be clear in opposition.

Charge Republicans with the offenses!: "Shame, shame, shame"

[KoKo]

40. OUR DEMS STAND UP and SHOUT...SHAME, SHAME, SHAME...!

A great Moment in American History.

After all Blair here's this in his Parliament. Why are we MOST VOCAL AMERICANS not ALLOWED to EXPRESS our DISDAIN? :shrug:

[Tatiana]

41. Nancy Pelosi was SENSATIONAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Democrats showed up full-force today and did our country proud.

Let's give credit where credit is due and encourage the awesome stand these Democrats took. Remember, NOT ONE DEMOCRAT voted for this bill.

NOT ONE.

That is a phenomenal example of unity.

[mirandapriestly]

42. Nancy is Great. The Rethugs were EXPOSED on this one. nt

[Marie26]

45. Pelosi was so courageous

She was incredible - standing up & demanding to be heard. I missed the live broadcast, does C-Span or anyone have a video of the whole thing?

[Fla Dem]

49. WOW...OMG....a sight to behold. They must of eaten their spinach.

Or, they now don't feel as vulnerable at home for re-election, now that the Repugs ship is sinking. It's all about getting re-elected.

[lostnfound]

115. Good for Pelosi & Hoyer for 'talking sense' into Cuellar, who..

is my personal irritation after having 'beaten' the very good progressive incumbent Ciro Rodriguez with votes found in the basement of his friend's bank.

I've been watching Cuellar since his installation and haven't been surprised yet. I miss Ciro.

[pinto]

43. Thanks for the clip, it was a great moment on the floor.

[Marie26]

44. Why isn't this on the news?

None of the networks are covering this in the evening news. Why wouldn't they cover such an important story?

[Sapphire Blue]

92. On msnbc this am... including the "SHAME SHAME SHAME" chant

I didn't see any of the evening news shows yesterday, nor this am.

[lonestarnot]

46. Wooodamnhooo Pelosi! That's more damn like it!

[adarling]

60. the speaker is folding his arms like he is pouting

[Stinky The Clown]

48. That, my friends, is historical footage

A throwback to the decorum of the House of Commons.

".... Shame .... Shame .... Shame ...."

Leader (rightly, Speaker) Pelosi shouting down the presiding officer.

Near revolt on the floor on the United States House of Representatives.

And as we've seen it, will it be reported upon by the Three Monkey Media?

I suspect not.

http://img.photobucket.com.nyud.net:8090/albums/v510/MMPics/3MM.jpg

[marions ghost]

50. KICK

:applause: :applause: :applause:

Nancy Pelosi email address: [e-mail]

[Straight Shooter]

56. Thanks for the email. I just sent her a message:

Dear Representative Pelosi: Thank you for holding your ground, along with your fellow Democrats, against yet another spectacle of the Republican power orgy. "Shame, shame, shame" says it all.

[Peace Patriot]

101. Done! Thanks for the Pelosi email!

Subject line: Congrats on "Shame, shame, shame"! MORE of same!


Dear Leader Pelosi: Congratulations on the unanimous Democratic stand-up against Bushite thuggery in the House on the “Leave No Oilman Behind” bill”! I am so proud of you! I’ve been a Dem voter and supporter for 40 years, and I sometimes don’t agree with you, and sometimes feel that I have no party at all advocating for my interests and for the interests of the majority of Americans. Yesterday I felt REPRESENTED at last! Keep it up! Thank you!

Next: Bushite corporations controlling the tabulation of our votes with “trade secret,” proprietary programming code, and the egregious non-transparency of electronic voting systems. Restoring transparent elections is a must-do. Can’t be done in Congress. You and we, the public, must address this at the state/local level, purge the corruption there (including in our own party), and restore our right to vote. Then we will have something, no? A great progressive American majority (I KNOW that it’s there—take a look at the issue polls over the last 2 years!), a great progressive American Congress and President, in a great progressive country!

Yours sincerely,
XXXX

[marions ghost]

119. great letter

glad you got that about the elections in there. I'm sure she's still on that wave...

[gardenista]

52. kick for the evening viewers

[texpatriot2004]

54. Thanks for thinking of us night owls. n/t

[DemReadingDU]

53. Recommended

[Kurovski]

55. Kick--n/t

[Selteri]

57. This so needs to make national news. It won't, but it does. NT

[adarling]

59. I have never seen anything like that in my life

that was amazing, Pelosi and every member of the democratic house party are amazing. Bravo to them!!!! F*&king repukes will burn someday for the corrupt nature they have displayed, makes me so sick. I haven't seen anything like that in the House before, only in British Parliament.

[jellybeancurse]

61. Incredible!

I have never seen anything like that on the House floor! I've never been a huge fan of Pelosi but tonight I was very proud of her. :yourock:

[deadparrot]

67. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[Mr_Spock]

62. It was infuriating seeing those vulgar pricks in action.

No Shame!! Unfuckingbelievable - we're a goddamned banana republic for sure with these criminals in charge. Damn are they pathetic. :mad:

[Pepper32]

63. Well, it's about time

This should be front page news everywhere!

I'm very happy to see DEMS finally taking a stand. I hope this is only the beginning. :D

[Gronk Groks]

64. Didn't hear a thing about it on the MSM...

...not surprising I suppose. This is why I go to DU every day...
...to find the truth !!!

[wakemewhenitsover]

65. Kick

[Historic NY]

66. Wow, our reps finally got some back bone............

never give in, no surrender. Its absolutely incredible that the Republicans are allowed to continue to make a mockery out of democratic process. Can't get the right vote so the corrupt the process, again with Delay who should be sitting in a jail.

[klyon]

98. yes finally

Repubs are the party of shame, no doubt about it. I hope indictments flow. I will cheer them all on to jail.

[proud patriot]

68. Wow

I was jumping up and down holloring ..

Woo hoo

[mntleo2]

71. I Called Jim McDermott's Office

I told his aide I was never so proud as I was seeing the Dems yelling, "Shame! Shame! Shame!"

Cat In Seattle

[walldude]

72. Crooks and Liars also has the clip

Unbelievable. Good thing we are out spreading Democracy in the Middle East, there sure isn't any democracy here anymore.

[Kurovski]

73. Kick--no/text

[joefree1]

74. Rate the Yahoo Story up

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_go_co/katrina_energy

4 stars at 30 votes

The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
John Kenneth Galbraith (1908 - )

[The Minus World]

75. Whispers into Screams

Compromise is insufficent in dealing with these manipulators of the public trust.

Until we see the fistfights of centuries past on the floor of the House, Republicans will continue to flout the rules and traditions of our obsolescing democracy.

Please, watch this video if you haven't yet. Particularly if you're interested in seeing the impotence of our well-intentioned Democratic leadership in the midst of an authoritarian coup.

[adigal]

76. Wow. I am stunned at the audacity of the republicans

and so damn proud of the Democrats in the House of Representatives. Good for them for standing up for democracy. Can you all believe how the republicans just roll over the Dems and the rules?? I guess the Democrats have had enough. Good for them.

[druidity33]

79. Shame

Finally a moment to be proud of coming from the house floor... i've been waiting.
Let's hope it'll lead to bigger stands and battles won!
:party:

[New Earth]

81. that made me cry

:( they need to do it more often.

[illini]

83. Those fucking bastards!!!!!!!!!!!

The repugs are so corrupt it pathetic.

[truthout]

84. Pelosi and Hoyer work over 3 dems who originally supported the bill

AP NEWS > http://159.54.227.3/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051008/NEWS/510080305

"Rep. Joe Barton, R-Texas, who had predicted a close vote, said he was not aware of "any deals" being made to get the last votes. No Democrats voted for the legislation, although three initially favored it, only to change their minds after talking to Pelosi and Rep. Steny Hoyer of Maryland, the second-ranking Democrat."

[Deja Q]

85. Pray for peak oil to kick in.

What's left to say?

Their short term money won't save them from the end either. And when I mean 'end' I mean how India and particularly China respond to their increasing needs.

[holboz]

86. I think I'm going to be sick. This breaks my heart.

These bullies need to be yanked out of office.

Theses guys don't know how to debate. They know how to shout down anyone who questions them but heaven forbid should they answer any challenges brought forward. In the end, the Speaker never allowed Pelosi to ask her Parlaimentary inquiry, did he?

Thank god for C-Span; at least they're giving Dems great material for campaign commercials next year.

[MadisonProgressive]

87. This may have been posted before

but here are the Democratic Leaders comments:

rtsp://video.c-span.org/15days/e100705_energy.rm?mode=compact

[Junkdrawer]

89. We are ruled by Oil Barons, both foreign and domestic, who have...

nothing but contempt for democracy, who have no respect for the Constitution or the American people, who have bought the largest media outlets and who have no problem whatsoever bankrupting the country and enslaving our armed forces to further their agenda.

Is there anyone who doubts this anymore? :shrug:

[Lasher]

91. H.R. 3893 Final Vote Results

Here is a link to the final vote results:

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2005/roll519.xml

[skooooo]

93. 2 vote difference -- the pubs are in real trouble...

If they have to resort to this, they are in BIG trouble. They showed the dems chanting on CNN and it was wonderful.

[Marie26]

100. Does anyone know the two votes who switched? n/t

[Lasher]

113. More than 2 switched

I'm not sure who the last 2 were, but here's what I've found in a NY Times article:

***

In the end, Mr. Gerlach and Mr. Young, along with Representative Wayne T. Gilchrist, Republican of Maryland were among the switchers, and Mr. Bartlett voted for the measure, sending it to the Senate, where its future is dim, because Republicans there say it would face a filibuster.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/08/politics/08energy.html

[stepnw1f]

99. It Is Time for All Americans to See This

in contrast to how things operated before. We have suffered a coup by corporate America.

[lovuian]

104. Shame Shame Shame!!!

This is destroying America these are the Robber Barons!!!

[ClintonTyree]

107. How disgusting.........

WORSE than a banana republic. FASCISM, pure and simple. The abuses of power by the Republic party should be enough to convince every citizen in this country that they should NEVER be trusted with that power again.
There is nothing these power-mad fascists will not stoop to in order to get their way. DeLay should be..... I can't say what he should be, I'd get a visit from the Secret Service. That piece of shit must be removed from the House of Representatives, hopefully in manacles and never be allowed to soil the House Chamber again by his presence. He is the most vile, disgusting, vengeful, evil, unjust life form on this planet.
I have made it my personal goal to outlive him and upon his demise I will make a pilgrimage to his grave, stand over it and piss on it. THAT is how much I detest that cock-sucker! :grr:

[Independent_Liberal]

111. Kick!

[Lasher]

114. Here is a site that has a video link in Windows Player

http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00001901.htm

I don't think this clip has as much content as others I have seen in QuickTime, though.

[gracie76]

116. Shame,Shame,Shame

Unfortunately, I had to get in to my volunteer job and missed the live video of the Demos yelling SHAME SHAME SHAME..Did see it through one of the links this morning. I am not an expert on the rules of the House, or anything else for that matter, but I believe that they can always manipulate and change the rules EXCEPT...and only possibly (not for sure )in cases where the is no quorum. So, if we know ahead of time, how's about just going on strike. Don't show up....would it be a quorum anyway (because all the lock-step Republican votes would be there)??? It was a disgraceful and very undemocratic performance, but who's surprised. Suggested reading -- October issue of Harper's magazine, page 7, Lewis Lapham, and his recounting of an essay by Umberto Eco...setting out the most notable axioms of fascism and communism...which sound alarming like our boys in the cabal of this administration:
The truth is revealed once and only once.
Parliamentary democracy is by definition rotten because it doesn't represent the voice of the people, which is that of the sublime leader.
Doctrine outpoints reason, and science is always suspect.
Critical thought is the province of degenerate intellectuals, who betray the culture and subvert traditional values.
The national identity is provided by the nation's enemies
Argument is tantamount to treason.
Perpetually at war, the state must govern with the instrument of fear.
Citizens do not act; they plan the supporting role of 'the people' in the grand opera that is the state.
(Eco's essay was called "Ur-Fascism", and was published in 1995 in the New York Review of Books.)

[Lasher]

117. I just published an article on this subject

If you want to read it, follow the link at the bottom of this message to Modern America, where I am a contributor. The site is dedicated to WV political issues, although not exclusively. Since I don't get paid, I can post whatever I want (heh heh).

Special thanks to Marie26 for the detective work. I found nothing else anywhere that addressed the mechanics of how the Republican leadership went about fixing the vote.

If you notice any way my article can be improved, please share those thoughts with me and I will consider updates.

[MelissaB]

118. Excellent article!

Thanks for the link.