"We will fuck him. Do you hear me? We will fuck him. We will ruin him.">>>

[Stephanie]

Why Are These Men Laughing?
-Ron Suskind
Esquire, January 2003.

***

Eventually, I met with Rove. I arrived at his office a few minutes early, just in time to witness the Rove Treatment, which, like LBJ’s famous browbeating style, is becoming legend but is seldom reported. Rove’s assistant, Susan Ralston, said he’d be just a minute. She’s very nice, witty and polite. Over her shoulder was a small back room where a few young men were toiling away. I squeezed into a chair near the open door to Rove’s modest chamber, my back against his doorframe.

Inside, Rove was talking to an aide about some political stratagem in some state that had gone awry and a political operative who had displeased him. I paid it no mind and reviewed a jotted list of questions I hoped to ask. But after a moment, it was like ignoring a tornado flinging parked cars. "We will fuck him. Do you hear me? We will fuck him. We will ruin him. Like no one has ever fucked him!" As a reporter, you get around—curse words, anger, passionate intensity are not notable events—but the ferocity, the bellicosity, the violent imputations were, well, shocking.

http://www.ronsuskind.com/newsite/articles/archives/000032.html

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

1. A real charmer, he is!

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

109. Reminds me of something Al Capone might have said

"I want this guy DEAD! I want his family DEAD! I want his house burned to the ground! I was want to go there in the middle of the night and piss on his ashes!" (Robert De Niro as Capone in "The Untouchables")

[acmavm]

2. Associating that word or action, even metaphorically, with KKKarl

makes my stomach heave.

[Cult]

52. Yeah, that's pretty freakin nasty.

I don't ever want that mental image. This is what happened in my mind when I read that:

Karl: "We will fuck him! Like he's never been fucked before!"


Me: "Oh! Oh....Oh my god! Oh my god! Get out of my heeeeeeeeead!"

[Cult]

54. God I make myself laugh n/t

[SlavesandBulldozers]

57. dont worry i laughed

it was hilarious.

as a token of my appreciation I've got some more Rove pics for you. A DU exclusive.


this one snapped when Rove was consulting with his Dark Lord.


this one showing the ancient rites tattooed on his palm, signifying his allegiance to the Dark Lord.

[Cult]

59. lol

Consulting with his dark lord. That's freakin' hilarious. Thank god someone saw my post. I thought I would be the only one laughing about my own post.

[Petrushka]

87. "...ancient rites tattooed on his palm...."???

Looks more like hair growing on his palm!!! ;-)

[LeftCoast]

3. Could go to explain some of the Republican cohessiveness on message

backed up by the fact that as of late, the Republicans are more disunified than I've seen in years.

[Just Me]

19. You bet.

You bet.

[liberalhistorian]

50. They're disunified because

they've finally reached their goal of controlling all of the government. For decades, they've worked toward that goal and they've all put aside their philosophical and political and ideological differences to work together in one united front in order to achieve it.

But now that they have finally reached that goal, the cracks are beginning to not just show but split wide open. They don't feel they need to be unified anymore because they've reached their goal of control of the government, and now the squabbling, infighting, backbiting, and divisions are coming out in full force.

[guruoo]

85. What I've always believed....

that they'd end up fighting amongst themselves.
Another thing I believe is that if all this decends into
a full-blown second civil war, that war will be started by some
rightwing faction in response to a real, or percieved Republican inability (or unwillingness) to deliver every single item on the rightwingnut list of demands.

[liberalhistorian]

103. You may very well have a point

there, because there are several repub groups who are furious right now that they're not getting everything they want, everything that's been on their wish list for decades. Little things like establishing theocratic law, destroying public education, etc., etc.

[guruoo]

106. Have you heard anything, rumor or otherwise

regarding evangelical groups making any serious, tangible preparations for this?

[liberalhistorian]

107. I'm not sure I understand

your question. Are you asking if I've ever heard of the evangelicals wanting to establish a theocratic law? If you are, then I'd definitely have to answer in the affirmative. And they seem to have no understanding that this is NOT exclusively a "Christian" nation, this nation is for EVERYONE of ALL faiths or no faith at all. They want everyone to believe the same and they want religious law established.

[guruoo]

110. I was talking about...

any preperations they may be making related to the second
issue I referred to here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5011205&mesg_id=5024129

[FreedomAngel82]

69. Yep

Maybe even more so then us.

[LincolnMcGrath]

4. k+ r

thanks for posting this link.

[emulatorloo]

7. another great article - "Karl Rove In A Corner" if you haven't seen it

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200411/green

Atlantic Monthly, Nov 2004 Joshua Green

<snip>

Karl Rove is at his most formidable when running close races, and his skills would be notable even if he used no extreme methods. But he does use them. His campaign history shows his willingness, when challenged, to employ savage tactics

<snip>

[LincolnMcGrath]

21. Thanks felow Iowan

:hi:

[emulatorloo]

22. yr welcome

:hi:

[hang a left]

49. K-R

I have seen a few references to K and R around here recently. Could you clue me in? If it is a big secret you could PM me.

[livvy]

51. Kick and recommend. n/t

[hang a left]

61. duh..

I am a retard.

[livvy]

93. LOL At least you're in good company....and there's no such thing...

as a dumb question. What's dumb is not asking, and then never knowing the answer. That's what I always tell my students.
:hi: :)

[IronLionZion]

96. Or Karl + Rove

:P

[Bluerthanblue]

5. may he learn first hand what

he is cursing that 'him' with- and learn it well.

As a man sows, so also shall he reap.- and he's got a harvest due.

[CoffeeCat]

6. Rove should write for Hallmark! (nt)

[NJCher]

9. OMG!

(unrestrained guffaw).




Cher

[adarling]

17. yes it could be called fucking things to say fuck to

doesn't make a lick of sense, but he used it so many times i had to give it some form of justice :)

[goforit]

48. It depends on what your meaning of Fuck is....

[Nostradammit]

90. Hilarious!!

God, I love DU

[indepat]

8. Be ruthless and take no prisoners: these people are playing for keeps

all the while Dems nicely play-like a loyal opposition party with they and the country get annihilated in the political process.

[FreedomAngel82]

73. That's why we have to fight back

No more nicey-nicey crap. This is why I'm such a supporter of Nancy Pelosi. She knows how to kick some ass.

[TexasLawyer]

10. Yes-- we will!

We certainly will! and won't it be delicious.

Him= KKKarl

[CoffeeCat]

11. Jan 2003....Hmmmm...wasn't this also around the time that...

Rove lied to the FBI about Plame?

Back then, Rove was on top of the world. He was incredibly cocky, corrupt and oblivious to the fact that someday he may have to answer for his crimes.

Listen to how Rove talked--even when a reporter was present. He had no fear.

These third-class thugs were so damn sure of themselves. Bush was quoted as saying that the Plame leaker would never be found.

Oh realllllly, sir? It was as if Bush was dictating that their crimes would never be revealed and that they would never be held accountable.

They thought they had it all sealed up, after 9/11. They thought they could sell bottled water to a drowning man, because they had duped the entire country and were constantly getting their way.

With absolute power, they became absolutely corrupt--and even more careless.

I'm not surprised that Rove would talk and behave like such a rabid, out-of-control, self-aggrandizing zealot. I'm also not surprised that this same attitude is what will ultimately bring him down in the end.

Thinking that you're "all that" often leads to being oblivious.

[FreedomAngel82]

74. Yep

And Bush's statement proved that he was involved or at least knew about what was going on and didn't do anything to stop it. Maybe that is why Bush has been looking like shit lately. Funny how nobody talked about Rove. I wonder why. And funny how he's supposed to be this great husband and father but yet you never see them at political events. Were they even at the RNC last year?

[hang a left]

97. You might be thinking Jan 04

the case was referred to Justice in October of 03. This picture was taken before Fitz got handed the case.

[donheld]

12. What goes around comes around?

Is karma gonna visit Rove/Bush soon? one can only hope for the good of the world.

[SiouxJ]

18. I believe he has more bad karma than anyone on the planet

payback is going to be such a bitch! :D

[jhain]

63. Karma Rove!! n/t

[spanone]

13. Real turd of a human being.

[lovuian]

14. Absolute Power corrupts absolutely!!!

:bounce:

[creeksneakers2]

15. If Rove ends up ratting out

they'll do a Rove job on him.

[FreedomAngel82]

75. Oh I'm sure

Don't fuck with the Bush family. Bush's old girlfriend can tell you that one for sure sadly.

[adarling]

16. The antichrist in him is coming out

I would never be scared of this turdblossom...all you need to do is throw him a stick of honey and sugar at him and he will be all over it like flies on shit. His ass is going down and i will have a huge party when...not if he does. What an asshole.

[Kurovski]

20. "We will fuck him. Do you hear me?...Like no one has ever fucked him!"

Are we sure Karl and George weren't speaking about their plans for White House boy-toy Jeff Gannon?

[VPStoltz]

27. You beat me to it...

[WritingIsMyReligion]

29. ROFLMAO!

[happydreams]

62. Good one!

Gannon had that mail sex ring didn't he?

[Kurovski]

101. Not that I know of.

He had a web site. He was/is a prostitute. he has stayed overnight at the White House. He has spent a lot of time at the WH, even when there had been no press briefings or "gaggles".

Welcome to DU!

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

23. Knock, knock, knockin' on Heaven's door...

________________________________ ____

[FreedomAngel82]

76. And I'm sure Miers

probably has information too. Kennedy has already requested for it I believe so I can't wait.

[annagull]

24. better get the lube ready, Karl--it's your turn

I really can't wait to see turd blossom frogmarch.

[existentialist]

25. Thank you for the post.

I had read this account before, but your post here is timely.

[VPStoltz]

26. Though I could never understand Robert Goulet's motives when

he was sait to have shot a T.V. with a gun because Elvis was on (or was it the other way around?), I know my own motives come pretty damned close every time I see a picture of that incredibly putrid, repulsive, disgusting, vomit inducing piece shit.

[Qanisqineq]

28. that sounds real Christian-like

this administration makes me want to puke more and more every day. My husband is in the military and is overseas (not Iraq or Afghanistan) and he says there are days he doesn't want to come back -- just get out and stay there.

[frogmarch]

30. Very informative

article. Thanks for posting it.

Here's a tidbit from the article that caught my eye:

"...Rove was fired from the 1992 Bush presidential campaign after he planted a negative story with columnist Robert Novak about dissatisfaction with campaign fundraising chief and Bush loyalist Robert Mosbacher Jr. It was smoked out, and he was summarily ousted."

[Catherine Vincent]

31. Yep.

Rove, the Bush's and Novak go back a long way.

[DemReadingDU]

32. Payback time

oops typo

[crispini]

33. Reading this article really makes me worry

about what Karl Rove might be thinking about doing behind the scenes to try and avoid the indictment. :tinfoilhat:

And what will happen if he is indicted? The pervasive influence of Rove:

But I’ve never heard another story like this one, because people in Washington, especially Rove’s friends, are utterly petrified to talk about him.

They heard that I was writing about Karl Rove, seeking to contextualize his role as a senior adviser in the Bush White House, and they began calling, some anonymously, some not, saying that they wanted to help and leaving phone numbers. The calls from members of the White House staff were solemn, serious. Their concern was not only about politics, they said, not simply about Karl pulling the president further to the right. It went deeper; it was about this administration’s ability to focus on the substance of governing—issues like the economy and social security and education and health care—as opposed to its clear political acumen, its ability to win and enhance power. And so it seemed that each time I made an inquiry about Karl Rove, I received in return a top-to-bottom critique of the White House’s basic functions, so profound is Rove’s influence.

And this:

It’s an amazing moment," said one senior White House official early on the morning after. "Karl just went from prime minister to king. Amazing . . . and a little scary. Now no one will speak candidly about him or take him on or contradict him. Pure power, no real accountability. It’s just ‘listen to Karl and everything will work out.’. . . That may go for the president, too."

[crispini]

36. Jeez! Nobody's really running the country, are they?

I guess I knew that, but this makes it chillingly clear:

"I heard many, many staff discussions but not three meaningful, substantive policy discussions," he writes. "There were no actual policy white papers on domestic issues. There were, truth be told, only a couple of people in the West Wing who worried at all about policy substance and analysis, and they were even more overworked than the stereotypical nonstop, twenty-hour-a-day White House staff. Every modern presidency moves on the fly, but on social policy and related issues, the lack of even basic policy knowledge, and the only casual interest in knowing more, was somewhat breathtaking: discussions by fairly senior people who meant Medicaid but were talking Medicare; near-instant shifts from discussing any actual policy pros and cons to discussing political communications, media strategy, et cetera. Even quite junior staff would sometimes hear quite senior staff pooh-pooh any need to dig deeper for pertinent information on a given issue."

[progressoid]

39. It's frightening isn't it?

Sometimes I envy the dolts in Amurica that don't have a clue how screwed we are.

[bunny planet]

56. Now we know how they got caught flat-footed on Katrina.

They care nothing for policy or actual governing, just power and control and image at all costs.

Hi Crispi.
:hi:

[FreedomAngel82]

79. Of course

They proved that to me with the fake terror alerts everytime something went wrong and/or Kerry was doing well last year.

[FreedomAngel82]

78. And also

they took a bill Kennedy made and turned it into their's. :mad: Pisses!

[patricia92243]

34. Birds of a feather flock together. Rove/Bush n/t

[Disturbed]

42. Public personas vs the "real" personas.

The Bush Admin. is replete with viscious Sociopaths, right from the top Silverspoon Sociopath. The various Mobs in this country are second rate in comparison to the killing that has been done by the Bush Crime Org.

[peekaloo]

35. He who fucks last, fucks hardest.

Fitz.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

37. Ooops! Before I scrolled down I thought these were the words of inmates in

cellblock B relating what they were going to do to Rove once he's incarcerated.

;)

[Mr_Spock]

38. Thanks for reposting this historic gem.

I think this report says a lot...

[Blue_In_AK]

40. Don't drop your soap in the shower, Karl....

I hope he has a good time in prison being the fuckEE instead of the fuckER. Not that I would advocate for prison rape or anything, but......

[IronLionZion]

41. Poor Jeff Gannon

He has displeased Fat Karl and won't be able to sit for a month after this. bwahahahaha! :evilgrin:

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

43. Those who hang around these guys need to carry hidden video cameras

and microphones. It's the only effective defense against this type of rabid psychosis.

[freethought]

44. Could Rove have been screaming about Joseph Wilson?

I read this excerpt a number of times, here and elsewhere. I have always wondered who Rove was screaming about. Just a thought. One could say I am wearing a tin-foil beanie and not tin-foil hat.

[FreedomAngel82]

80. Could be

Wasn't it around that time of all of that? Possibility there. I thought of that too when reading that part.

[Ksec]

45. excellent article by Suskind

He shows what kind of "man" rove is. His downfall and imprisonment will be sweet. I cant think of anyone who mores deserves to be bushs right hand man . Two peas in a pod. Evil men who care only about their own power.

It will be great when they come down. Ill be cheering for their heads/

[babsbunny]

46. Creepy little Milktoast!

What a Motley Crew! They are gonna burn in hell!

[EFerrari]

47. I don't think I've ever wanted anything quite as much as I want this.

:nuke:

[SlavesandBulldozers]

58. me neither

the only thing quite like it is being a kid around Christmas-time. It's got that kind of feel.

[funflower]

53. All the evangelicals I know talk like that.... and their kids got MIP's

(or worse)....

Why do these people's Christian supporters not clue in and figure out these are NOT their kind of people?
:eyes:

[bunny planet]

55. The architect my ass. He's a lying, psychopathic bully with zero moral

compass. He deserves whatever he's got coming to him.

[Hubert Flottz]

60. KKKarl had a daddy...

Take away the hair and add the glasses and...is this KKKarl's daddy?



Was KKKarl's pa really this Nazi, whose body was never recovered after the fall of Berlin? Martin Bormann(personal secretary to Hitler)vanished without a trace, did he come to the US and father a son named KKKarl, who then became shrub's "Personal Secretary"?

[Stand and Fight]

89. Wrong...

Martin Bormann's body was found in 1972 near a train station in Berlin. He took cyanide to kill himself. The remains were verified as his in 1999. I think with traces of a cyanide glass capsule present in the teeth.

[Hubert Flottz]

91. KKKarl is a cyanide baby?

Was KKKarl's ma on some kind of drugs too? Was Ma Rover ever on a 'full blown holiday in Berlin'? Did she tamper, trollop, or trifle, with a sexually aroused gas mask, or an industrial strength vacuum cleaner?

Martin Bormann was a lot like Karl, in that, he controlled every move Hitler made in public and even controlled everyone who saw Hitler, or spoke with him. I'm guessing Hitler, was every bit as nutty as W and needed a constant babysitter too.

I firmly believe that the Oval Office is now the play pen and that Karl is the live-in nanny. I don't think Cheney's heart is in any condition to run after the pResibrat, so Karl is always there to wash off W's play-toys and to wipe up after him. KKKaren is big, butt, is she big enough to fill KKKarl's shoes, should a jury of his peers decide to pluck him from the national picture. Who will fetch Shrub's bottles and atomic teddy bears, if he cries out in the night?

BTW, if Karl hadn't been around, Bush might have nominated Rush Dungball or dAnn Coldt*ts for the vacancy on the US Supreme Court.

[Spiffarino]

64. Why doesn't one of Bush's wives kick his sorry ass?

I hear he got beaten up by a girl in high school...how hard could it be? I think even the tiny, granny-like Harriet Miers could give him a serious ass-whoopin'.

[hootinholler]

65. And then in a lower voice...

This is a job for Gannon!

-Hoot

[DemonFighterLives]

66. A good firm and gentle top man

is what rove needs. When you add these clowns with Scotty McClellan and GFY Cheney and the knucklehead in chief, you have the makings of a damn circus. Would be great sideshow if it wasn't so damn tragic.
:freak:

[UncleSepp]

112. Coffee... nose... monitor...

Damn! I usually don't like those jokes, but hootinholler, that was perfect!

[grasswire]

67. when was that pic of Cheney taken?

He looks as if he thinks death can't come too soon for him!

But Bartlett doesn't look too good either.

[Stephanie]

99. It's from July 1st. >

File photo shows (L-R) White House political advisor Karl Rove, Communications director Dan Bartlett, Deputy Chief of Staff for Policy Harriet Miers and Vice President Dick Cheney in the Rose Garden of the White House, July 1 2005. President Bush will name White House counsel Harriet Miers as his candidate to fill the next Supreme Court vacancy, a Bush administration official said. (Jason Reed/Reuters)

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/051003/photos_ts/2005_10_03t073132_450x313_us_bush_court_miers

[FreedomAngel82]

68. I haven't finished reading it yet

but what I have read so far goes to show me that I was right that Bush is very much involved in everything and his whole "dumb" act is just that so he doesn't lose support from his base and whatnot. He really is a pathetic person and I hope Fitzgerald takes them all down.

[FreedomAngel82]

70. When I read through some of this article

I am reminded of what Eisenhower warned us about. I believe he was warning us about the Bush people and what is going on. I'm sorry people didn't listen to him. :(

[Quixote1818]

71. Hay! Harriet Miers is in that famous photo taken after the Plame Scandal

started to get away from them! From that photo it's clear as day she is corrupt and mixed up in the middle of every fucked up thing they have ever done.

[FreedomAngel82]

82. As Nancy Pelosi would say

"culture of coroption" baby.

[psychopomp]

92. Good catch

I noticed that, too, and wondered just what she was doing there that day! :toast:

[Stephanie]

100. Here's another one, with Libby in it >

What a rogue's gallery.




Vice President Dick Cheney, right, and senior White House staff members, from left to right: Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove; Counselor to the President Dan Bartlett; Chief of Staff to the Vice President Scooter Libby; Deputy Chief of Staff Harriet Miers; listen to President Bush in the Rose Garden of the White House Friday, July 1, 2005 in Washington. New York Times reporter Judith Miller was released Thursday Sept. 29, 2005 after agreeing to testify in the investigation into the disclosure of the identity of a covert CIA officer, after securing an unconditional release from Libby, to testify about any discussions they had involving Valerie Plame. (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050930/480/ny13209300054

[tabasco]

72. Huffy KKKarl needs a good ass kicking.

I hope he gets it in prison.

[FreedomAngel82]

77. This is the BIGGEST line of them all!

< Karl thinks X. Bush thinks X. Clearly, it’s a very complicated relationship.">

Ding ding ding! Bingo. No wonder why Bush wouldn't give Karl up and no wonder Bush doesn't take question's on Plame/Wilson case. If Karl goes down so does Bush.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

81. To bad we don't have someone like that on our side.

[FreedomAngel82]

83. You want someone fucked up like that?

Sorry. I like Harry Reid and Howard Dean just fine thanks. I don't want someone who has to lie, cheat, steal to win. That isn't winning.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

86. No. Not lie cheat and steal. But , The Democatic Party needs that

kind of discipline. That is, don't anyone dare go off message. Don't anyone criticize your candidate. Don't any Democratic politicians - you know - get a kiss on the cheek from a member of the opposite party. The list goes on and on.

[Neil Lisst]

84. Karl Rove's entire political career is built around dirty tricks

Rove is the natural progeny of Lee Atwater and Donald Segretti.

He IS dirty tricks.

[Stephanie]

104. What goes around comes around.

He's a rat caught in his own trap.

[BigBearJohn]

88. This is the quote that send chills up my spine

Karl is enormously powerful, maybe the single most powerful person in the modern, post-Hoover era ever to occupy a political-adviser post near the Oval Office.

I can't believe I read the whole aricle. I highly recommend it to everyone. This should be a primer at DU

[H2O Man]

94. Yes, he is powerful.

And he abuses that power daily. He abuses other people. One wonders if he will be such a tough guy in jail? Threatening, pushing people around?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

95. Suskind got the "We Write Our Own Reality" quote too.

http://jgkojak.dailykos.com/story/2004/10/22/1415/5817

According to Mr. Suskind, "The aide said that guys like me were 'in what we call the reality-based community,' which he defined as people who 'believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.' " The aide told Mr. Suskind, "That's not the way the world really works anymore. We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."

[FlaGranny]

98. Payback

will be sweet for Rove's victims. I'll bet you that most of the people he has come in contact with will very much enjoy helping to do him in. Many of the more moderate republican congresspeople and senators would love to get the RoveBush Mafia off their backs. They'll help bring them down, when and if they feel safe enough. I'll bet you that most of the more moderate republicans hate RoveBush as much or more than we do. It would not be at all surprising if, behind the scenes, they are helping to bring them down.

[ourbluenation]

102. Compassionate conservatism and family values are just.so.great. eom

[GayCanuck]

105. ewww..........

......if there were more men like Rove, I'd consider dating women!

I do have this awful feeling that nothing will happen to this creep.

[triguy46]

108. a fine christian, a prince really, and a heckuva family guy... nt

[garybeck]

111. kick