Gannon is sweating a Plame indictment....he is so busted for lying

[Oilwellian]

In a previous post on Jeff Gannon/James Guckert and his link to Treasongate, I commented that his claim about his not having been aware of the now-famous INR memo (with the (S) for secret attribution to the paragraph discussing Valerie Plame) - prior to it having been mentioned in the Wall Street Journal - didn't quite pass the smell test. One aspect that I had failed to explore in greater detail at that time was the date of Jeff Gannon's interview with former Amb. Joseph Wilson (perhaps I should have asked Mr. Wilson about it Mr. Wilson emailed in to say that he unfortunately does not remember the date of the interview). Why is this important? Well, because this is the infamous question that Gannon asked Wilson in that interview:

An internal government memo prepared by U.S. intelligence personnel details a meeting in early 2002 where your wife, a member of the agency for clandestine service working on Iraqi weapons issues, suggested that you could be sent to investigate the reports. Do you dispute that?

Now some additional clarity seems to have emerged about the date.

Date Gannon-Wilson interview was published: October 28, 2003 ("Talon News" article reprinted at Mens News Daily)

Date of Wall Street Journal article (first mainstream media mention of memo): October 17, 2003

Date of Gannon-Wilson interview estimated by Philip Curtis of ePluribus Media: Week of October 13, 2003

Date of Gannon-Wilson interview stated by Jeff Gannon himself, in his 6/30/05 column: September 2003

Considering that Gannon has long had a problem with the truth, as Curtis has carefully catalogued, this requires serious investigation, as the conclusion of SusanG's latest post notes:

Hmmm ... a September 2003 interview mentioning the INR memo, a month previous to the WSJ publication.

Fitzgerald may believe Guckert/Gannon has some `splaining to do.

http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/005679.php

[marmar]

1. Are you predicting...

lots of lonely nights for Scotty while big Jeffy makes new prison buddies?

[koopie57]

18. I think that they could

probably find enough dirt on scotty to send him up the river with his little freaky sweetheart

[jazzjunkysue]

34. Spitting up my cool-aid! Hey! Watch it!

:rofl:

[goclark]

2. keep kicked for more information

[annabanana]

3. I don't care if HE'S scooped up....

as long as he has lots of company!

[Ksec]

4. Gannon would love imprisonment

all those guys...

[Straight Shooter]

8. You're forgetting one thing:

Even prisoners hate traitors

[Jackpine Radical]

9. ...Except that they'd all be sampling the wares and not wanting to pay.

[CanOfWhoopAss]

27. They may force a topside negotiation though. nt

:evilgrin::smoke::rofl::evilgrin:

[jazzjunkysue]

35. You know you didn't have to say that....

But it was funny as hell..
:rofl:

[FreedomAngel82]

127. I don't think he'd go down a lone

Remember Scooter's little love note to Judy. I think that note could've also been a little reminder that if Judy fucked with them she would've had something to lose in return.

[seemslikeadream]

5. HARRIET MIERS WAS IN CHARGE OF WHITE HOUSE PASSES

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5004615&mesg_id=5004615


05/2005
Brief WH Bomb Scare

Forgive us if every time we hear about "suspicious packages" at the White House, we think of Jeff Gannon,
but it turns out the WH was locked down briefly this morning; someone "slipped the package under the fence." Ahem.

And speaking of suspicious packages: We hear that Harriet Miers was once in charge of renewing press passes...

http://www.wonkette.com/politics/white-house/index.php



Press Passes!?

True story. A friend just informed me that when he contacted the White House last year to renew his press pass, his
contact was Harriet Miers. Press passes?! That doesn't exactly put her very high up on the totem pole now does it?
I don't suppose she had anything to do with Jeff Gannon . . .

http://bunniediehl.worldmagblog.com/bunniediehl/archives/018836.html

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/10/3/115019/566

[Jackpine Radical]

12. I can smell smoke coming out of my ears.

This last twist just overloaded the circuitry.

Does this mean Miers was responsible for letting Jeffty in to play?

[Ksec]

13. so it was her who put hookers in the WH !

[jarnocan]

17. Great seeing

her linked to her to G/G- the Whitehouse whore boy. What a snug little bunch of lairs, covering each others butts.
she is just so inappropriate to be a S.C. nominee. I can't even see why this merits a serious discussion in congress.

[koopie57]

19. covering each other butts

*snort* *gggigggle*

[Mist]

54. Is there a chance this would point towards an indictment for Miers?

That would be rich!:popcorn:

[BrotherBuzz]

69. I suspect it would be just a black mark against her....

for not doing her job. It migh raise some interesting questions during her comfirmation herings, though.

on edit: series syntax problems ;)

[jarnocan]

175. Michael Moore

has a pic today that got me wondering about that- that would be great!

[annabanana]

21. Oh that's rich!

Just when I think things can't get any more amusing!

[tabasco]

108. Bwaaahahahahahaha!!!!!!

My sentiments exactly !!!!!1

:rofl:

[Octafish]

49. Social Secretary

May fav'rit' boy-toy!



Gee. Go away for a couple of weeks and look what I miss.

[LeahD]

163. This is not Gannon/Guckert. n/t

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[FreedomAngel82]

131. Oh hilarious!

I'm beginning to think Harry Reid nominating Miers was a smart idea. Now the democrats can find all types of information out from her papers since she was White House consel and doesn't have the privacy priviliages. No wonder the conservatives are freaking out. LOL.

[Straight Shooter]

6. Gannon was looking for the limelight when Camp Casey was in the news.

All of a sudden, he's "disappeared" again. Has he been posting on his blog or his web site or through any form of media? If not, then he's finally learned to keep his mouth shut. Unfortunately for him, his vanity and ambition to be a player in D.C. has probably backfired.

Fitzgerald can connect the dots better than anybody. Gannon could never BS him, because Fitz is waaaay out of Jiffy-Lube Jeff's league. That's another reason why Rove backed off on testifying Friday. He's given Fitz plenty enough rope already.

[brainshrub]

23. Was he at Camp Casey?

[Straight Shooter]

24. Not at Camp Casey. He was at some anti Camp Casey gathering.

It was pathetic.

[brainshrub]

26. In Crawford?

[Straight Shooter]

29. I don't think it was in Crawford.

I remember seeing the pic on DU. There were comments about his having gained weight. He was photographed with another guy. That's all I remember, because Gannon doesn't interest me much, except as a byproduct of the waste excretions of the bush administration.

[MADem]

212. The DC pro war rally; here he is in all of his man boob glory

[Bethany Rockafella]

265. lol, you guys are bad.

[babylonsister]

201. He was at the pro-war rally in DC last month; that's

where I saw a pic of him.

[tavalon]

204. Naw, he was at the freeper pro war rally

on Sept 25th in DC. They expected 20,000 people and got 400! But without Jimmy-Jeff, it would only have been 399. Snort!

Poor Freepers. We had a similar problem at our rally the day before. We miscalculated how many would be coming to our rally. We expected 100,000 and got over 500,000. Oops! ;)

[tavalon]

203. Rove didn't testify on Friday?

I was in the middle of a 56 hour work week (I work nights) so I've been out of the loop.

[Oilwellian]

7. I should add...

Judging from The Leftcoaster's post, he has direct contact with Wilson via email. You can bet Wilson hence Fitzgerald will know of this discrepancy.

[maine_raptor]

10. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

The mental image of a sweaty Jeff Gannon is just too much to contemplate.:scared: :scared: :puke: :puke:

[bleever]

11. I believe that his prior access to the memo has been documented

(or at least mentioned) before. Don't have any links at hand, but I know this was touched on earlier before the Gannon story cooled off.

[flyarm]

33. here are another web sites notes on plame stuff with gannon

Diary I: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/1/28/203014/655
Diary II: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/1/29/152730/137
Diary III: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/1/29/233122/523
Diary IV: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/1/31/93126/4150
Diary V: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/1/30/195059/065
Diary VI:http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/1/31/93126/4150
Diary VII: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/1/31/214854/199
Diary VIII: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/1/10038/65769

[flyarm]

39. joe wilson interview discusses interview with gannon!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/9/94615/61143

snip:

When did the interview with Gannon actually take place? It was published October,28, 2003, but we're trying to nail down the precise date you talked to him.

I don't recall but it couldn't have been more than a week earlier.

[Oilwellian]

14. From Gannon's mouth:

I acquired knowledge of the memo and the Wall Street Journal reported on it, but no other media outlet mentioned it. I confronted Wilson about it in a September 2003 interview, for which I was rewarded by a visit from two FBI agents. All of the their questions surrounded the document they could "neither confirm nor deny" even existed. They were not interested in what I had heard that suggested a cell at the agency was actively undermining the Bush administration, payback for being blamed for not preventing the 9/11 attacks. When Porter Goss became the CID in 2004, some familiar names quickly headed for the exits. Grumblings from faithful leakers to the mainstream press indicated that Goss was looking into this.

Still unexplained is Plame's motivation to push her husband to go to Niger. Why wouldn't the agency use one of its own people to get the information? Either the CIA didn't have anyone that was monitoring one of the largest suppliers of uranium or those in charge of the investigation wanted to be sure of the outcome. Plame is purported to be an agency operative on weapons of mass destruction, yet the CIA brings in an outsider for a critical mission?

I'm inclined to believe that Fitzpatrick will simply close up shop, with or without the information from Matt Cooper and Judith Miller, because there is no case. Additionally, there are many more questions that will be raised if the probe results in an indictment. Ultimately, Democrats and the media would probably prefer to wail about the injustice of it all instead of being confronted with the truth about the Plame affair.

http://www.jeffgannon.com/archives/2005/06/index.html

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[benburch]

16. Let me say a word in support of Jeff Gannon.

He did something amazingly decent that I am aware of but cannot comment on.

He's not the totally evil character that people want to make him out to be.

[bleever]

20. ben, coming from someone with your good credibility here,

that's just toooo enigmatic.

Can you say another word?

[benburch]

22. No I cannot.

Lets just say he could have done somebody I cared about a lot of damage for political gain, and chose not to.

[bleever]

40. Thank you. That was actually enough to satisfy my curiosity.

I want to see crimes prosecuted, but I don't wish ill of anyone personally.

I appreciate your response.

[Neshanic]

44. So he helped a friend/boyfriend of yours. A bit personal is this not?

"He chose not to".....now.

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[Neshanic]

52. He could of damaged your friend. That's a moral dilema.....NOT.

[EFerrari]

55. That would be "could have". n/t

[benburch]

62. Your inference is more than a bit personal. nt

[CoffeeCat]

185. Ben...I have always sensed that Gannon is a good guy...

Yes, he's a male prostitute. However, my opinion is that someone who sells themselves is operating from a place of pain, not evil.

Also, he was being exploited by the White House. They were using him--probably several members. When he was exposed, they ran for the hills and left him twisting in the wind.

Republicans use people and throw them away all of the time. They probably seek out people who are vulnerable, to make their exploits that much more effortless. The people who get used may be naive, but they are just people.

It's easy to yuck it up about Gannon. I've made jokes before. It's easy to get lost in the sexual aspect of it all.

However, what really needs to be analyzed, is the dual relationship Gannon had in the White House. He repeatedly entered the White House, and sometimes stayed over night. Furthermore, he asked blatantly obvious questions during formal press conferences. So, how is it that a male prostitute, who has stayed over at the White House--also appears to be a plant at formal White House press events?

The focus needs to be on the White House. They have NEVER, EVER been made to answer for any of this.

[MADem]

214. Makes you wonder if he has been turned

For all we know, this could be a lock for Fitz, because Jimmy Jeff is singing like a canary. What he says in a TV interview, and what he says to the Grand Jury, could well be two different things. You aren't under oath when you are gabbing with Wolf Blitzer....

And what better way to keep the right off your back by playing the game??

[lies and propaganda]

260. ever since the whole Gosch story surfaced

I have always feared for his life. I feel a lot of empathy for him because i defintely believe he wasnt the sole maker of decisions in his life.

[Citizen Kang]

261. well...

when you're kidnapped at 8 years old and forced into the things that Johnny was forced into, you can't help but feel sympathy and compassion for this tortured soul.

Perhaps this can be his revenge?

[tavalon]

205. Actually,

that says more than you probably want to. I would recommend going back and deleting these.

[EFerrari]

I can, bleever.

Jeff was prodded and begged to go after Andy. And after checking with me, he refused. And sent Andy his wishes and prayers.

In the middle of all that, it was quite moving.

[bleever]

42. Wow.

That was the kind of thing I was guessing about.

I'm really touched.

Thanks, b.

[benburch]

57. Thanks, Beth!

I wouldn't have asked you for release from that promise, but thank you for deciding to tell the story.

[EFerrari]

59. It's one of the good ones.

:toast:

[benburch]

63. One of the very few from that nasty tale.

And there are people supposedly on "our side" who were heartless, cruel, vindictive, and retributive, and remain so to this day.

The contrast is simply stunning.

[EFerrari]

71. Yep. And I will never forget what you did, Ben.

Truly, without your help, I might have just lost it. :hug:

[benburch]

You are most welcome!

I did my best to help folks.

And I made some really first-rate enemies! The sort anybody would be proud to have.

[EFerrari]

79. Well, Spiderman, if you need a hand,

you know where I live.

Baghdad Beth

:rofl:

[benburch]

88. You know... We really need to write a book about this.

And yes I'm serious. I bet we could get it published.

[EFerrari]

97. We could do that. Let's talk.

Ben Burch, my no shit friend. :hug:

[coffeenap]

188. Please do it--and be sure to let yourselves shine!!!

:hug: :hug: :loveya: :loveya:

[Neshanic]

66. He was prodded, called you. and you disuaded him?

[benburch]

68. That's what she said. nt

[Neshanic]

73. Interesting. Now when some low post is accused of freeperism

We actually have a Baltimore/Washington DU batphone to Gannon himself.

Was it a hard sell for him to do the "right thing?", Since we all know what a big softy he is, and his moral compass being so correct and all, you probably had him at hello.

[benburch]

74. Like I said below...

I am not nominating him for the Peace Prize.

I'm just acknowledging that he did a decent and humane thing that he didn't have to do when it would have been easier for him to do the opposite.

Unless you want all of your political enemies to be utterly dehumanized, that should not threaten you.

[EFerrari]

150. I wonder why it's so hard for you to acknowledge that

someone you don't like can do a good thing.

I mean, how hard is that?

[Neshanic]

155. Send Gannon over charged to your card, and maybe I will change.

[EFerrari]

162. Another progressive value. Thank you for making my point for me. nt

[Neshanic]

164. I was trying to make points for you on your Visa Card.

Gannon for an evening at a DuPont Circle hotel must be worth a boatload of bonus points.

[EFerrari]

167. I was wrong. You do have an imagination. n/t

[wellstone_democrat]

132. the word of sfexpat2000 and ben burch

is good enough for me

on edit: seeing that it also concerned Andy? MORE than good enough for me.

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[fooj]

173. Wow. This is interesting.

And after checking with me, he refused.

Didn't realize you were pulling that kind of clout with Guckwhatever. Guess Andy and I were both "out of the loop" on this one. Yes. I know about the "gesture"...guess I'm just not seeing the "outpouring of humanity" or the "moral compass" in all of it.

Andy had a horrific, terminal illness. He wasn't stupid. He was sick. Enough said.

[redacted]

193. You mean the effort to harrass Andy went THAT high up. Christ.

And all this time I just thought it was a bunch of freaks with no lives.

But I am glad Gannon had the heart to not go after a dieing man. As a male prostitue he probably understands pain fairly well.

I once met a former female prostitue in a Feminist-oriented Communications class when I was at Northwestern. She had an incredible amount of empathy and humanity under the hard shell.

Not to say that Gannon does, who knows? People are more complex than we allow ourselves to see.

[Domitan]

250. This is indeed a "Crash" moment

I just saw that movie last night. Goes to show the incredible complexity of every human including those that are often reviled (even if it is merited).

[tinfoilinfor2005]

25. Oh No You Didn't!

You better at least give us some clues about that claim.
(Did it have anything to do with Andy?)

[benburch]

31. Can't say more. Sorry. nt

[Straight Shooter]

28. I don't think anyone has commented that he is a "totally evil character"

He is, however, amazingly ignorant about his place amongs the players in D.C. His reach far, far exceeds his grasp. I would contend that he's a prick in the political pool, a total journalistic whore. What was it he said about the Democrats?

Oh, yes. Divorced from reality.

[Gildor Inglorion]

30. Please, enlighten us just a bit...

I can't help having a tiny shred of compassion for the pathetic creature...a self-loathing gay man willing to do or say anything to gain approval from his "masters." What a hideous life he must lead. I would be much relieved to learn of his doing something "amazingly decent."

[benburch]

32. The true answer is that few people are all one thing.

But thats all I can say, sorry.

[Neshanic]

36. The old movie cliche...the hooker with a heart of gold.

With all that he knows, it's going to be hard to take a "trust me" on a whore.

[EFerrari]

38. You know nothing about Jeff Gannon.

Why is it okay for you to talk about him in that way? Isn't that what the wingnuts do -- depersonalize people? Why would you want to do something like that? Reality check.

[Neshanic]

43. Wait, a hooker shill that sat in a press room feeding questions...

that's just for starters.

Now if you have a more "business" relationship with a gay hooker that expouses RW crap, and is a turn-coat gay slob of the worse kind, that enables RW hate against gays, well that's your little personal gig with him.

Have him drop a dime on the whole sordid crowd....then we will talk about the hooker with a conscious.

[EFerrari]

45. In all my contacts with Jeff Gannon,

he has been more thoughtful than you have been.

And that's just for starters.

[Neshanic]

46. So if he's a good dinner date, that pretty much ices it?

[EFerrari]

48. Not worth responding to. n/t

[Neshanic]

51. You are the one that decries his status because of helping a friend.

Maybe you should of just kept it to yourself.

[EFerrari]

53. You know, I'm still hurting because my friend is gone.

I apologize if I have been rude to you. And yes, Jeff did a kind thing when I could use a kind thing. Damned straight.

peace,
Beth

[enid602]

72. Gannon

It's nice (and altogether too infrequent these days) when someone regales you with a kind act. It's heartening that you remain open to the possibility that Gannon is not all bad. Personally, I hope he is questioned regarding his extraordinary access to the White House, his role in the Plame affair, his role in Daeschle's downfall and his reported dealings with Tony Blair. Then, we can all withhold judgment, and hope that the truth comes out about Gannon.

[EFerrari]

114. I don't know Jeff enough to give him a character reference.

But this was significant to me: He had an opportunity to do harm and he did not. He had a lot of right wing support to do harm and he refrained. He very easily could have shortened a man's life and he chose instead to do the unpopular, right thing.

And for that, I am grateful to him. And I hope he continues to make better choices. :)

[DiverDave]

37. Sureeeeeee

he did.

Scum is all he is, I don't care how many "can't tell ya's" you post.

Until you give details, I call BULLSHIT.

[EFerrari]

41. And, you would be wrong, my friend. n/t

[tinfoilinfor2005]

58. Your word is good enough for me my friend.

(but I can't help but wish he would extend his decent side and tell all he knows to bring down these crooks)

[EFerrari]

61. Maybe we can work on that.

:evilgrin:

[benburch]

60. I wasn't allowed to give details. I keep my promises.

But the one I made the promise to posted the details above.

I await your apology.

[Catherine Vincent]

105. I agree.

He's not a bad guy.

[klyon]

174. even a broken clock is right twice a day

all people have can be caring and giving even a street whore turning tricks

KL

[KoKo]

199. does it have something to do with

AID's and a friend of yours? :shrug:

PM Me......I can keep a secret. But other than that, I have NO USE for Jimmy/Jeff...even if he protected "folks" we here on DU consider Saints.

:-(

[KoKo]

200. For those of us not..in the "insider Gay Community"

you have to understand we can't understand why DU'ers we trust would suddenly "turn" and support "Jimmy/Jeff."

It's really bizarre to those of us who are not, YOU.

You can PM me...I have a history here, I don't blab...but reading this whole thread it's shocking to me that many here would use Andy Stephenson and his death and then tie it into that "Jimmy/Jeff WHORE" did some "favor" that allowed some "secret" about Andy either "not to be revealed or..if it was" to get a pass.

Lots of us donated to Andy. We find this thread kind of upsetting. :shrug:

Someone needs to clarify something here about the relationship between Andy and "Jimmy/Jeff" and whether they knew each other or not...what is this battle going on with DU posters leaving the rest of us DU'ers "out of the loop" who supported Andy?

If Andy was into something with "Jimmy/Jeff" that should have come out..but "Jimmy/Jeff Gannon" is now considered a SAINT because he didn't reveal it during Andy's terrible times with his operation when FOLKS HERE were ACTIVELY SOLICITING DONATIONS...then FOLKS WHO DONATED NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE SCOOP WAS?

It's kind of upsetting to read a thread like this with "Insiders" carping and sniping and the rest of us who RALLIED to SAVE ANDY...are out here in the dark. :-(

Jeff/Guckert/Gannon is SCUM in my Book...but Andy Stephenson wasn't.

Some of you on this thread seem to be saying that there wasn't much difference in them.. MANY DU'ers are going to read this thread and think something is VERY FISHY!

[hiley]

217. I don't believe there was a "relationship"

between Andy and Jeff Gannon.
simply Jeff could have joined with the freepers and ripped ON Andy and decided not too.
That is all really, he could have been cruel but did not choose to be cruel about this anyways.(this is my take on it anyhow)

[KoKo]

237. Thanks.....I hope that's what it is...

It just got blown out of proportion...:shrug:

[hiley]

258. I think so

from the wrinkles group I do know that Andy did not know Gannon.
As far as I know he had no contact with him at all for that matter.

Seems everything went haywire on this thread and it is one many will say HUH? WTF? that i completely understand. Gannon has been horrible to the left,etc.

Like I said in this thread he was nice to me and funny/ however he is GOP and still writing bullshit on his "blog".. very perplexing individual
His ever frequent White House visits and early knowledge of War and probably many more things will come back and pop him soon, I think.


Gannon is no doubt in a shit-load of trouble with Patrick Fitzgerald and the American people when everything comes out.
The MSM will have to acknowledge everything he has done just like the public will. Maybe the MSM will even investigate, boy I am dreaming now.

[Neshanic]

50. Now we know why.

It's all relative. I mean being in a situation so close to a person who has done so much damage that helped a corrupt administration, we have a litte side dish of "how good he is".

No wonder we have problems. Any human like Gannon would not be in my social circle, let alone my personal uuniverse.

Why not tell us what he is to you?

Friend?
Pal?
Confidant?
Hanger-on?

No matter, he helped a friend of yours, Too bad we other millions can't call a favor with him too. Like not dragging gays through the mud as complicit political power whores and Christain opportunists.

[EFerrari]

56. Too bad that some of you -- actually, you --

can't give credit where it is due, as Jeff did.

[Neshanic]

64. He could of damaged a friend for political gain...

So with that enigmatic little tip, we are to believe that he's really not that bad.

I am very sorry your friend has died.

So this information he sat on, did he do it out of what? Altruism? If he had damaging information on a friend, where is the moral conflict? He's such a good guy! He did not drop a dime on my friend.

If you are actually speaking to a scumbag like that, you need some other people in your social circle.

Others, like me do not have the luxury of bestowing "not such a creep", on such a creep. He is all that is wrong with republican moral gay backstabbers that give all gay men a bad name. Seems he still has no problems or ethical issues showing up with G Gordo Liddy.

Bring up his service to further denegrate gays in public next time you chat or have dinner.

[Vinnie From Indy]

65. Hitler was kind to his dog, but he was still a genocidal maniac.

Stalin, Pol Pot and Idi Amin all had somebody that liked them and who knows maybe they showed kindness and compassion for the people around them. It means diddly squat to everyone else under the heel of their murderous boots. I am not suggesting that Gannon is comparable to Hitler or the others, but I am stating that unless Gannon is giving you free handjobs or protecting your closest friend from some danger, he is still a lying piece of crap that deserves to deal with his own chickens when they come home to roost.

[Neshanic]

67. Thank you for the reality check that others say we need.

[benburch]

70. Hey, I never said he should win a Nobel Peace Prize.

I just said he did an amazingly decent thing.

Why does that threaten people so much?

[Vinnie From Indy]

77. I am not threatened! Peace! I am just greatly amused.

Your comment about Gannon's decent act is as relevant to me as what color you painted your bathroom or what motor oil you use. I am surprised at your surprise for the negative vibes. Why not go to an Enron shareholders meeting and tell them that Ken Lay gives you free tomatoes from his garden or how about you go to Walter Reed hospital and tell the injured that Rummy sometimes gives you his opera tickets when he isn't using them.

[Neshanic]

78. Threaten? I'll give you a schooling on threatening.

How many jobs have you left because you were gay?

How many jobs have you been actualy assualted because you are gay?

How many jobs have you worked knowing that the RW in the next office has only to say one thing, and you are gone?

You wanna match death of friend in quantity...for nothing, except that they were gay?

He did a favor. He graciuosly did not drop a dime on your friend. He had to CALL to ask what to do?

Are you gay? If not do you know what it is like to see a Roy Cohn whore dressed as a reporter enabling the most heinous Administration to date? Then the guy has the gall to not have any problems with what he did, and is in fact proud of it.

Are you gay? If not you cannot imagine the repulsiveness of watching this preening freak that helped Bush, feel no remorse, but actually feel proud.

He screwed people for money. figuratively and literally...that's a whore.

"Why does that threaten people so much?"

[EFerrari]

82. The failure of imagination here is not Ben's.

Or mine.

And, it's interesting that you judge Jeff but feel free to "school" people regarding threats.

Now, there's a progressive value.

[Neshanic]

Lets' not get off track. You are part the Gannon Fan Club here.

[benburch]

86. You're the one who is off track.

Derailed, actually.

[EFerrari]

87. "Let's not get off track"?

Gannon Fan Club? What is this, the eighth grade?

lol

[Neshanic]

91. Maybe, Your the one passing notes about Gannon in study hall...

how he is misjudged.

[EFerrari]

94. That would be "you're". n/t

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[Ksec]

196. Are you Jeff Gannon?

[benburch]

83. Actually... I am bi-queer, leather-queer.

And a sexworker's rights activist.

And a pagan.

And an AIDS activist.

And I have paid the price for that more often than you could possible imagine because I am so open about it.

And you clearly are threatened by my telling a minor humanizing story about Jeff Gannon.

Next question?

[Neshanic]

89. Good for you. Your oblivion to the obvious is disturbing.

You are not the only gay person on the planet. Strangley, though because you have the ear of Jeff Gannon, the points of his craven and venial attitude as far as gays and politics has had no effect on him at all.

Don't blame the rest of us because we are still pissed.

[benburch]

92. No, I blame you because you are too stupid to even understand what I said.

And too angry to care.

[Neshanic]

96. What were you expecting? Really? "Oh my God, he's so cool!

What was your agenda in posting it? Then cryptically letting it out?

"Oh how we misjudged him!"

You need reality doses in an IV drip.

[EFerrari]

75. Others didn't, I did.

Comparing Jeff to Hitler? :wtf: This discussion must be 'bout over?

Reality check: all productive relationships, including political relationships, are built on trust and imagination. No productive relationships are built on stereotypes and casual, wholesale judgement.

The thing is, if you want to be surprised and delighted by people, first you have to be able to imagine them surprising and delighting you.

:)

[Neshanic]

81. You MUST tell us of his wittiness! Is he like Capote?

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[EFerrari]

90. This is hopeless. I'm going to go clean the 'frig.

If you have some time tomorrow, let's get on with the Wiki entry.

It's Comedy Day in SF, but I'll be around in the p.m.

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[dzika]

111. I'll give Gannon some props...

In the few contacts I've had with him, he has always seemed to be very kind and genuine. The public perception of him didn't seem to completely square with his personality.

I hope that he is cooperating with the Fitzgerald's investigation. It would be entirely unfair to see the little fish go in the tank while the big ones swim free (ala Abu Ghraib).

[hiley]

194. I am with you dzika

Jeff was nothing but kind to me and quite funny as well.

with his image it is perplexing..
Also agree on the Fitzgerald investigation too, the big fish should & must go down.
edit to say i too find it very upsetting that he was given access to the White House. the fact that he checked in but didn't check out sooooo many times is appalling.

[EFerrari]

85. I give up. I only speak two languages.

:rofl:

[clichemoth]

180. I've had correspondence with Gannon/Guckert as well. . .

(Hey, when I was on the other side, I was a fan, what can I say?) He's just a pure shill who'd do anything for money and fame, not a Rovian sadist. I doubt that joining in on a Freeper war against a cancer patient would have held any appeal to him. However, the prospect of a book deal and the notoriety of being Deep Throat 2K5 would catch his fancy.

If he goes before Fitzgerald, he WILL sing like a canary about Plamegate and any other Bushcrime he can cram in. He has nothing to lose and everything to gain.

[tavalon]

206. Here's hoping

Heck, if Paris Hilton can overstay her 15 minutes of fame, I'd be willing to extend the same to Gannon/Guckert if he would be kind enough to take down a few of the elite who fucked him over.

[Catherine Vincent]

207. um, yes he does have something to lose....

his life. This is the evil Bush crime family we're talking about here.

[EFerrari]

76. Thank you for your reasoned and measured response. n/t

[NV Whino]

80. I would love to see Gannon/Guckert indicted

but that is frosting on the cake. He is soooo low level, I wouldn't care if he went back to being an internet whore... assuming he ever stopped.

On Edit: I am happy to see Gannon/Guckert exhibiting a little humanity (based on previous posts), but he is still part of the RW nutballs.

[EFerrari]

93. It's funny because I usually agree with you and with Vinny.

Can't on this one. And it feels really strange to see all this stuff tossed at a guy who was probably just trying to earn a living. All this class stuff ("so low level") and Hitler comparisons.

It's not DU at it's best, I'm afraid. Too bad we don't have a mechanism to handle those rare instances when people actually exceed our expectations.

[Neshanic]

98. So not DU. You are the one writing crap like....

"And it feels really strange to see all this stuff tossed at a guy who was probably just trying to earn a living. All this class stuff ("so low level") and Hitler comparisons."

He did not say he was Hitler.

You have a special place for Gannon. Sorry if it's a tough sell here.

[EFerrari]

99. Thank you for modeling progressive values.

I needed the reminder.

:rofl:

[Neshanic]

102. I don't know 'bout modeling, but Gannon's and easy call.....

and to quote Jack...."go sell crazy somewhere else. we're all full up here."

[EFerrari]

106. Wow. You have no idea who you're talking to, do you?

You have no idea who Gannon is.

You have no idea who Andy was.

You have no idea who I am.

Good luck to you.

[Neshanic]

107. Iknow who Andy was. I know what Gannon is. You I could care less,

since you have the attitude that we all should rethink Gannon because he did not rat out something on Andy.

You do have control issues though, even though I hav not heard of you.

[EFerrari]

109. That must be it. I have control issues. lol n/t

[Neshanic]

112. You are the one that talks to Gannon, and asks....

for an extension to all to accept that he is not that bad. In this case, it was good for you. You talked to him as you said, and that's a private thing that maybe should not of been posted. Really, think about it.

Don't blame others because we do not share that personal moment that made him more of a person to you, to be transferred to all of us that despise him.

My brother in law is was in the mafia. He was a good guy. Do I expect you to see him the same?

No. Not at all.

[EFerrari]

115. You're right. I'm controlling and that's why your bil is in the mafia.

[Neshanic]

117. You posted this. What did you expect?

[EFerrari]

119. "Take me to the station. Put me on the train."

I don't know how to make this clearer to you. When people, including DUers, were behaving HORRIBLY, Jeff Gannon did a decent thing.

And it would be dishonest of me NOT to mark his gesture.

I don't expect you to agree, nor do I need you to agree. Now, if you'll excuse me, my refrigerator is waiting.

[Neshanic]

121. I do not know the gesture, so it has no meaning.

I was not one of those "horrible" people.

I need nothing from you either.

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[Neshanic]

129. I think Grasswire says it better than I.

I am crushed as to not getting a Gannon ceiling poster from the Gannon Fan Club.

[EFerrari]

133. Says it better? How hard could that be? n/t

[Neshanic]

135. Are you sure Gannon is not more than a phone call to you?

We get it. He did a nice thing for you. We still have issues with him.

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[Neshanic]

146. I'm a troll. The lemming is more a Gannon thing. Look it up.

[Catherine Vincent]

136. Oh that's a real nice thing to say and funny too.

Not.

[Neshanic]

138. What? Like I said. He's Ok to her. Others despise him. Tough.

[CoffeeCat]

191. Why are you so angry at Jeff Gannon?

Seriously.

I am not angry at Jeff Gannon at all. I've never spoken with the guy, but when I heard the story about him being a male prostitute--and selling himself in DC--I felt sorrow. I saw a very broken man who was operating from a position of weakness and pain.

I'm not sticking up for him. I'm not even really making a judgment call--right or wrong. I'm just telling you what I saw, and how I reacted when I heard about this.

So, I'm wondering--what is the difference between you and I? Why did I feel sorrow and why did you feel anger.

You must have some valid reasons for feeling anger toward Gannon.

What are they?

[grasswire]

125. :::choke:::

Probably just trying to earn a living?

Please.

As the person who first broke the news that the poseur was gaining daily access to the White House for press events, I deeply resent that charactization of Gannon's actions.

Do you have any idea what he did to Tom Daschle's campaign?

Please.

[EFerrari]

130. Re the Daschle campaign, yes I do.

And while I'm no apologist for pressitutes -- at all!-- I have to mark the real thing that one real person did.

How hard is that to get, really? DC is mainly theater. And what crime did Jeff Gannon commit? He had access and he softballed. Duh, so does everyone else in the room.

Is it right? No. But, oh, it's soooooooooooo easy to bash Jeff and not lookit the underlying dysfunction of the whole DC press corpse.

Or, I could be wrong. If we bash Jeff, the whole country will turn around. Pitchforks?

[Neshanic]

137. Gannon as victim. Wow.

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[Catherine Vincent]

141. Speaking of the Daschle/Gannon thing....

I still am puzzled as to why the Daschle campaign didn't try harder to expose Gannon's past. I know they tried but the mainstream media didn't want to touch it, still...I am just puzzled by it.

[EFerrari]

144. Me, too. There must be enough back story to make

a three volume thriller. They just wouldn't touch it.

[grasswire]

145. I'm sorry. You have a twisted idea of what Gannon did.

He just "softballed"?

No.

He passed propaganda, posing as a journalist. He passed known disinformation in an attempt to protect the crimes of the White House. He engaged in dirty politics in order to take down the Senate Majority Leader. He inserted himself into a matter of treason by attempting to discredit Ambassador Wilson. He impugned the ranking member of the Senate Intelligence Committee with the possibility of blackmail. He apparently served in the White House press corps as a "honeypot" a la the infamous Craig Spence -- a sexual lure to compromise people of influence. And that's only what we know so far!

Whatever kindness he may have shown in refusing to attack Andy is something totally apart from his despicable actions against this land and its people. Nice, but irrelevant, really.

[EFerrari]

148. I've considered all of those things.

In detail and exhaustively.

And, came to the conclusion, he is only one of many, only one of the corps. (No, I don't like that, but when did reality ask for my approval?)

And, we have no evidence that he was a honeypot. No -- I'm not telling what I believe but only what we have in hand.

And no, it isn't irrelevant that I have first hand experience of a very decent act. Not at all. Logic also means, bringing all your experience to bear. And my experience of this guy is that he had a chance to do an easy wrong and chose instead to do an unpopular good.

[grasswire]

161. I value....

.....the wellbeing of the world's finest experiment in democracy and the future of the people of the planet (who are suffering and will suffer exponentially if Bushco isn't stopped) more than I value an isolated act of kindness done by someone who is working on the side of evil.

Gannon's isolated act of kindness that you witnessed was irrelevant in the history of the planet. It pales in comparison to the evil he has participated in. Placed on the scale of justice, his sparing of Andy is a grain of corn weighed against the enormity of malevolence tipping the scale.

I hope you can see that what is affecting you isn't going to impress people who have less personal attachment.

[EFerrari]

165. I'd ask, how do you know this was an isolated act?

. . . .

[grasswire]

168. he was so busy doing bad....

....how could he have had time to do good?

Seriously. Choosing to NOT harm Andy isn't exactly a full-service character recommendation. It just means that in this instance, he (I'm accepting your characterization here) did a kindness. Of course, he could have had other reasons not to act against Andy. It could have generated a lot of negative heat from the blogosphere, for example.

But I'm done with this conversation. I can't even begin to imagine what is driving the tolerance for arguable traitorous behavior (Gannon's) from someone (you) who supported Andy, a patriot whose tolerance for anti-democratic actions was ZERO. It's a disconnect.

I'm done, before I get mad.

[EFerrari]

170. Peace, grasswire. Sorry if I upset you.

Some things are just complicated. You have a good night.

[Neshanic]

166. Does not get better than that Grasswire...you are eloquent.

[sunnystarr]

236. Thank you!!

It took reading a lot of posts to find some sanity. I was afraid I was going to have to post it, so I'm happy to see that you said what needed to be said.

Let me add that there isn't anyone who is totally bad or evil. Even serial killers have a nice side to them and can act honorably to those close to them. Now don't say I'm comparing Gannon to a serial killer cause I'm just making the point that once someone crosses a line where they are accountable for their actions, their good deeds or hard life or pleasant personality, doesn't make them less accountable for their actions. As you pointed out, the Wilson case alone connects him to the conspiracy and treasonous activity.

So many, if not most, aren't going to feel sorry for Jeff or believe he should get a pass for doing the right thing for a dying man who was a friend to all of us. We all understand he's human and as such has good qualities. That's exactly what makes what he's done all the more deplorable.

[fooj]

171. Oh, for goodness sake. I think I've had just about enough.

I, too, have knowledge of this "secret". It is hardly worthy of all the time and energy it has been given. Why all of the fluff?

:eyes:

[hiley]

269. While I said Jeff G

was nice to me and he was; he did much more than Softball..
Softball is maybe the smallest part of what he did wrong.

[Vinnie From Indy]

176. I apologize for my post

If Gannon showed a bit of human kindness to someone you know, it will be noted on his Karma sheet. The Hitler reference was simply trying to make the point that bad people sometimes do good things for whatever reason. Hitler references almost never work. I will note that. Have a great weekend !!!!!

[Catherine Vincent]

101. Nothing will happen to Jeffy.

He's got friends in high places.

[EFerrari]

104. I see you.

:hug:

[Catherine Vincent]

113. Hi there Beth!

Just catching up on this thread. I sure miss our little group but I'm glad you guys decided to stick with DU. :hi:

[EFerrari]

116. Good to see you!

I had a really bad time for weeks but feel a bit better now. Don't tell Andy. I'm sure he'd want me to wane for 'way much longer.

(((((((((((((((((((Andy)))))))))))))

((((((((((((((((((cat_girl25))))))))))))))

[tavalon]

208. Not true

Unless he has secrets in high places. They hung him out to dry.

[bpilgrim]

110. he's got plenty of friends in HIGH places

but if the rw poser had ANYTHING to do with the outing of a CIA agent working on clandestine WMDs that has endangered every american he needs to go to prison with the rest of his friends.

rise to the top - surface at the BOTTOM

peace

[EFerrari]

118. And I agree with that. But at gut level, I don't think that's the case.

Let's see what we find.

[benburch]

120. I think it more likely he was a useful dupe...

and will be the key to convict the real culprits.

[enid602]

122. I'll second that.

Amen.

[Neshanic]

123. Dupe/ Hooker/Exploitationist...you make the call.

Hooker that knew exactly what he was doing.

Hookers are smarter than you think.

[EFerrari]

128. Um, you are the one who has been putting down sex workers.

Can't keep track of your own argument? :eyes:

[Neshanic]

134. Whaaa? Did the spray cleaner from the fridge get to you?

[blogslut]

147. ya know...

Nobody ever actually proved Guckert was a hooker. Not positively. They proved he appeared on sites that listed escorts but no one has ever come out with clear-cut evidence that Guckert turned tricks for money. If they have, I want links.

James Dale Guckert is minor cog in a massive machine. He's not powerful enough to be evil.

He might have something to say about that memo he mentioned to Wilson. Then again, I'll bet Bobby Eberle had more to do with that situation than Jimmy Dale.

[Neshanic]

149. No wonder we loose.

[blogslut]

151. who you callin loose?

:P

[EFerrari]

152. LOL! Darn

I was waiting so long, too. :rofl:

[Neshanic]

153. Lose, loose...In a Gannon thread it's all good.

[EFerrari]

156. Exactly. Jeff Gannon isn't a person to you, he's a target.

Another progressive value. :eyes:

[Neshanic]

157. Guilty? I find him guilty of being adorable!

[Catherine Vincent]

160. ROTFL!

:hi:

And you're right. None of his so called tricks came forward. Hmm.

[wellstone_democrat]

139. He's not the problem in the WH issue

I think he's more of a tool than anything in this the REAL PROBLEM is the people with the power to put him in the position he was in!

If he did wrong, lock him up with the rest but compared to whomever gave him access and cultivated him as a useful actor for the admin, he's a small fish. I want to know who was running him.

[EFerrari]

143. Exactly.

And it's just bizarre to see so much revulsion directed at someone who actually has more of a moral compass than we expected.

Just bizarre.

[wellstone_democrat]

154. you know? even if he was a TOTAL bum

without a redeeming moment, it *still* (to me) would be more critical to get the people who credentialed him and let him roam at will and fed him information.

Personally, I'd like to see Rove discredited with his friends almost more than Bush* indicted. Rove indicted can still run things behind the scenes. If he was tossed out of the golden circle they'd lose their enforcer and diabolical mind and self-destruct.

[EFerrari]

159. I think you may be about to get your wish

which is mine, too. :)

[fooj]

172. A fucking moral compass?

OMG.

[tavalon]

209. That would be nice

[MADem]

215. A footsoldier in the army of hell?

Well, if they list him as an unindicted co-conspirator, give him full immunity, and let him sing, with any luck this could get really interesting.

Let's hope he took better care with his notes than Judy!

[paineinthearse]

124. Gannon?

I think you mean "Gannon" or Guckert.

[Catrina]

169. Thank you for that post

I remember seeing that post on Jeff Gannon's website ~ and the September date. He himself, acknowledges that the WSJ was the only publication that had mentioned the CIA memo. And I do remember that it was not published until October.

This man has lied and lied, he lied about Tom Daschle and has no remorse for the lies he told. He planted himself in the WH press corps, and lied about Sen. Reid which finally drew attention to him.

If it is true that at least one CIA undercover agent died as a result of the outing of Valerie Plame, he is complicit in that and has yet to show even the slightest remorse for what he may have done, or even recognize or acknowledge, now that the truth has been told, that he and his vengeful cohorts endangered so many people, including Valerie Plame herself, and maybe even her children.

He was a Freeper until he himself was outed, and then they wanted nothing to do with him anymore. They could not rally more than three supporters for him at the only 'support' demonstration that was organized on his behalf.

Yet, he still craves their approval ~

I think of the Iraqi mothers whose children were blown to bits in front of them, because Jeff Gannon's heroes lied about a war that has now killed tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis, men, women and children. His heroes also are responsible for the torture of men, women and we now know, children.

He has involved himself in criminal acts and still shows not one bit of remorse for it, but continues to blame 'liberals' for all of Bush's problems.

If indeed he did do something decent, (although I'm puzzled as to what he might have done to Andy, since Andy, unlike him, was openly gay as far as I know, so 'outing' him was not a threat) that would be surprising, and I hope he has done at least something decent in his sad, pathetic life.

More likely he contacted Andy's friends at the urging of the Freepers to get 'inside info' for their campaign against Andy. Lying is what he does for a living, so I would not trust him as far as I would throw him.

And if they did ask him to lie, he would no doubt do it, because after all, all he wants is their approval and being used by the right seems to be his career ~ until I know otherwise, that is how I would view any contact with a liberal, with great suspicion.

After all, he pretended to be a journalist and fooled a lot of people for two years. He is an avowed 'liberal hater' just like all Freepers, and so until there is some proof that he wasn't on a Freeper mission, I'll stick with my opinion of him, which is the same as that of all those who support this administration and their criminal acts.

I didn't know Andy, but know of him. May he rest in peace ~ he seemed like a really nice guy!

[earth mom]

177. I'm on the fence about Gannon.

This thread is perplexing!

Like others here, I followed all the Gannon/Guckert/Gosch threads and yes, still feel empathy for the child that could have possibly gone through untold horrors too gruesome to think or write about here.

I'm also glad to hear that Gannon didn't go after Andy as that would have been absolutely horrific and would only have served to add more harm on top of all the rest of the inhumanity that we've all put up with the past few years.

That being said, are we to ignore that there is a possibility that Gannon had access to *?! Are we to not question what EXACTLY went on? He was an "escort" don't forget! And no, I could give a damn if that's what he chooses to do to make a living! Legalize it, I could care less. But we can NOT ignore that Gannon, a paid escort and no doubt a prostitute, was given unbelievable access to the WH! How many times did he visit? WHO did he visit?! There was a thread around here with all the dates and times-from Raw Story, I think. The reason and purpose behind him being at the WH just can't be ignored IMO.

Sure, we can have compassion for the guy to a certain extent. But that stops if he did more harm than good. I really hope we find out someday as it's quite the intriguing mystery.

Maybe Gannon will turn out to be a good guy. :shrug:

[EFerrari]

182. We can hope. And things are complicated.

Upthread all I said was, this guy did a decent thing when he didn't have to.

But my point it, how do you recruit decent people? Not by judging them out of hand, but by giving them a brake.

That won't work all the time, sure. But, there's a huge or hugh difference between striking people out and just talking to them, honestly, once and again.

You never know when something amazing might happen.

[earth mom]

187. I'd love to see something amazing happen.

That was my hope when all the G/G/G threads were going on. That Gannon would expose the corruption; that he'd want to see those who'd so callously kicked him to the curb from the WH exposed.

But it didn't happen.

Like you said, it's complicated and the Gosch connection can only make it more so. I always root for the underdog and somehow I kind of see Gannon as one...yet then again I'm not sure because he hasn't turned on them.

The whole thing is perplexing, confusing, frustrating...but totally intriguing. Gotta wonder why the guy doesn't write that book we were all expecting and at the same time make a fortune doing so....

[hiley]

218. boy you said it

"The whole thing is perplexing, confusing, frustrating...but totally intriguing."
and where is that book anyhow?
i am still waiting for it

[earth mom]

255. It was supposed to be published in Russia...

a bestseller for sure. ;)

[hiley]

259. another strange thing..

If I remember right, wasn't it supposed to come out soon.
What are they waiting for or was this bs ?
You know I have not heard another word about it until this thread.
:shrug:

[6th Borough]

272. Your sentiments remind me of Brando in "On the Waterfront"

Or, shall I say Guckert/Gannon as Brando.

Before the ending of the movie, that is; before he realized that taking on his masters...his "friends", was the only way he could redeem a life of shattered dreams and chasing the cheap buck.

Only time will tell if he's on a one way ticket to Palookaville or not.

[sarcasmo]

178. Maybe they plan on having Gannon suicided in jail.

[Malva Zebrina]

179. I have a good idea

If Gannon gets indicted for any one reason, say he was in possession of classified information and passed that on to a whole lot people, and has to spend some time in jail then by all means he will need support. How about starting a fund raiser here to support Gannon to help pay for his legal bills, which might run to the tens of thousands of dollars?

Supporting Gannon , a suspected traitor, who advertised himself falsely as a bonofide marine, and whose sex organ wares and, to boot, his body fluids such as urine photographed in action, were advertised photographically on a web site where he claimed to be a male "escort" at 200 dollars per hour as a "top", "cut" and 8inches, is enough for me to puke given the access he had to the White House--and that access was given to him by someone in the White House who must have known he was not a legitimate journalist. He was there to throw softballs at Scotty and he did the job. I don't find this in good character enough to recommend him as a kind hearted person who rescues little kittens from trees--he is despicable. Yeah, he visited and loves his mother also. That makes him all good, just and American pie.

[EFerrari]

181. Okay, give us facts , Malva. Just as you did when you insisted

that Andy was not sick.

I'm waiting. LOL, and I can wait longer than you can filibuster.

[EFerrari]

183. Hmmm. I'm not hearing from you.

And, I didn't expect to hear from you.

Maybe you're busy typing out all those apologies you promised. And maybe those people who actually had to handle not only your bullshit but Andy's illness and loss, will be patient.

[Malva Zebrina]

184. Honey, never ever did I state that Andy was not sick--never

Ever. Got that? You have stated something not in evidence and I am not surprised. It is your way to over exaggerate and to sex up your posts.

You give me and the people reading this thread the facts and provide some proof that I have ever said that Andy was not sick.

I am an RN who has practiced for more than thirty five years in almost all aspects of health care. My whole life has been spent in trying to heal the sick and helping the sick.

I have always thought that Andy was indeed sick. Very sick. You can find that in all of the posts I made if you would care to look it up instead of lashing out with unfounded accusations.

Ialways thought that Andy would eventually die from his disease. I knew it as a matter of fact.

I have attended many who did die from the same.

theless I did contribute to the fund even though my financial resources were pressed at the time. And I did NOT give you my e-mail address. I wonder, how many e-mail addresses you have accumulated from that initiative and to what purpose they may be used in the future.

My objection was to your method of fund raising and the obfuscation of the facts as we were told here on DU. My objection was to not letting people know, who did contribute how much exactly was collected, and I thought that people who did contribute had a right to know as it was the right thing to do, as I saaw it.

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[Malva Zebrina]

189. No, you made the accusation and it is up to you to provide the facts

upon which that accusation was made. You have slandered me.


Do it or shut up.

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[EFerrari]

219. DU has archives and good memeories.

And you still owe us an apology.

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[Rex]

198. I could make a lot of mean comments about Gannon the Cannon.

Needless to say, well not so needless as pointless is the fact that Gannon is facing some real hard time in prison. Can they really indict Boosh?

:evilgrin:

[hiley]

202. hopefully

bush would be indicted right along with cheney & rove.
something has to stop them...

[Catherine Vincent]

210. I rather they indict that lazy useless bastard in our White House,

instead of Gannon. He's chickenfeed. :hi:

[hiley]

213. hi cat_girl25

hope you are doing well.
I desperately want bush indicted for many things including the outing of Valerie Wilson.
Gannon is easy target for so many people yet he has no power.
It has been such an interesting few weeks, huh? :popcorn:
This week will be mind blowing I think..:9

[troubleinwinter]

211. Let's be clear

Let's quit the BS speculation and be perfectly clear regarding Andy:

Gannon was being solicited and cajoled by the freepers to join in with their LIES about, and harassment of, Andy. If Gannon had joined in, it would have increased Gannon's popularity among that freeper ilk.

But he declined, (and unlike some here) in that particular circumstance, he took the high road.

There was nothing about Andy to "drop a dime on", Gannon simply declined to join in the freepers' hideous, hateful game.

[benburch]

216. You have characterized the matter perfectly.

There never was any "there" there, with respect to Andy. No dime to drop.

He was broke, having spent most of his money going to voters rights conferences and seminars.

He started getting sick.

Doctors misdiagnosed this sickness repeatedly.

Finally, they had an indication of Pancreatic Cancer.

Andy found that the best place to get treated for that was Johns Hopkins, and moreover, Johns Hopkins had a vaccine in trial.

He needed $50,000 he did not have.

His friends got together and raised that money for him, and did it in record time.

Another well-placed friend got him approved to enter the closed vaccine trial.

All looked well, until he got to Johns Hopkins.

Johns Hopkins had lost his certified checks in the mail room. (An error that they should have been sued for.)

They were going to cancel the surgery.

Pressure on Johns Hopkins from people who worked there and elsewhere forced them to agree that they would do the surgery anyway pending finding the checks if they could see the PayPal accounts that said he raised the money.

THIS was when we found out that the freepers had complained to PayPal that Andy's fundraiser was a scam, and PayPal had locked the account.

Andy's surgery date was lost.

Later that day, too late, the checks were found.

Two weeks later, Andy had his surgery.

What was found was not good. He had a nearly 100% fatal form of Pancreatic Cancer, and one that the vaccine under trial did not address.

After some recovery time he went home.

People were STILL saying in this period that Andy had not got cancer, that he had not got surgery, that he was in fact on a beach somewhere spending our money.

When he got home, he found that the same people who had stopped his PayPal account had also told Medicaid that he had hundreds of thousands of dollars from his fundraiser, and that he didn't qualify any more. On the basis of that tip, Medicaid froze his account.

Since he actually had no money, he could not get his pain medications.

He was in immense pain.

Finally, Beth proved to Medicaid that Andy really was broke and really did qualify.

He got proper pain meds finally.

He told me on the phone that he was having his first really good day in months, but that night he started running a fever, and was admitted to Seattle's Virginia Mason Medical center.

He died there in terrible pain.

The infection lowered his resistance and the cancer spread.

The cancer took over his whole body, and formed clots in the brain causing strokes.

All the while the ghouls kept right at poor Andy. They said he could have mortgaged his house for equity. Actually, it was Termite's house, and it had essentially zero equity in it. They were still saying he didn't have cancer. They were saying he got a gastric bypass of all things. Or they were saying that he had a "Lifestyle Illness". There was no end to what the ghouls would say to damage this poor man.

So, yes, there was no dime to drop, and the ghouls wanted to recruit Gannon into their horrific scheme.

And Gannon was a decent enough human being not to bite even though he could have gained great support from the freepers and others who pretend not to be freepers for doing so.

[Catherine Vincent]

220. Thanks for the recap, Ben.

:-(

[benburch]

222. I wish it had not been necessary.

But some people like revising history.

[hiley]

221. Thank you for the synopsis

and it has to be clear NOW there was no dime to drop..
Jeff "could" have been an asshole toward Andy.
I am glad he choose not to participate.
He is a perplexing character, GOP shill but strangely he was kind when I emailed him and the appearance on Real Time revealed a sense of humor.

Whatever his involvement with the Valerie Wilson outing I feel Fitzgerald will find out the extent of all individuals involved and hopefully justice will be served.

As far as Andy is concerned the treatment he received while ill and dying was horrific. I will never understand why people would attack anyone this way. It is just to much.

[benburch]

223. Sadly, Hiley, some people still claim it was a scam!

And even have speculated that Andy is not really dead.

[hiley]

224. maybe same people

who believe elvis is alive?

:wtf:

[Mr_Spock]

232. Thanks for posting this summary

It helps those of us who watched this unfold "from a distance" understand better what was going on at that time. It also sickens me to think that Freepers could possibly be so utterly evil. It makes me want to sabotage their businesses locally - I already don't frequent places I know to be owned by vocal righty morons (those idiots who feel the need to spout their RW ideology at a bar). x(

[Sydnie]

246. I think the issue here is

that you are privy to info and actions that others aren't. You are expecting a large group of people who thrive on investigations and fact finding to operate with, in any other story and from any other source, would be considered as propaganda and hearsay.

We, as a group, are not privy to all the information that you have, we never have been. All the scamdy stuff was exposed when it first started and then it became something that was discussed in a veiled way, where only the insiders knew who the players were and what actions could be attributed to which player.

I will admit I don't read every thread at DU, but this is the first time I can recall hearing that Gannon/Guckert was involved in this, much less in contact with anyone concerning Andy at all.

It's a bit of a stretch to expect those that are less informed to see things the way you see things. It is also a stretch for you to expect those that have researched and exposed all the questionable past of this person to suddenly change their mind and begin to think of this person as an "friend" of our cause.

I can appreciate that he did not pile on where Andy is concerned. I can give him credit for that. I can also see that the short term gain he might have gotten for doing the opposite would have been nothing more than another nail in his coffin where both sides were concerned. It was a no win situation when fully projected to the future possibilities of joining the pig pile. But, there was something to gain by NOT piling on ... gratitude from someone on the other side who seemed to have an ear of a large number of the very people he had been bashing himself just months before.

Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer, or so I have always heard.

I can't project myself there with you. He did a nice thing because it was in his best interest, in the long run, to do that thing. As I said, I can appreciate that he didn't make things worse for Andy, but I can't embrace him just because he didn't.

This is a guy who had so many twists and turns that we still don't know just how deep into this whole Plame mess he might really be. Had he extended that same kindness to Wilson and Plame and NOT become part of their public abusers, fanning the flames in so many "executive wrong doings", then maybe I could muster some compassion for him. But, I just can't without more proof of his actions or lack of actions.

Just because a snake doesn't bite you today, it doesn't mean that they aren't sitting in the grass with intent to bite you in the future, especially when we know he has struck others in the past.

I realize no one asked for my opinion on this matter but I just couldn't sit quietly by anymore.

I donated what I could to Andy's cause. It wasn't much but it was what I could spare. I was trying to help save a man's life. I am very sad that it wasn't enough, as I know you and Beth are as well. Having said that, I think you need to step back for just a bit and remember who your audience is here ... these are tough minded people who thrive on facts. Your stories and Beth's stories are very short on facts and very long on calling for "blind faith" for your position.

I have great respect for both you and Beth and all that you did for Andy and do for all of us everyday, but I have no faith in Gannon/Guckert at all. Once bitten, twice shy. A mule in horse harness is still a mule.

edited for typo

[grasswire]

254. well said

You've hit all the important points.

[fooj]

257. A clear and articulate post.

Thank you, Sydnie!:hi:

Peace.

[hiley]

268. I think you've got it right there

Also, your opinion is valueable and you have a right to it.
I completely understand what you are saying.
Several comments in this thread were News to me as well.

[Neshanic]

225. Still a Republican scumbag whore. Your makeover attempt...

should be on "Extreme Makover".

Of course we see no remose for anything on his part. But then again when do you ever from such a repugnant piece of garbage.

Is the fridge clean now?

[troubleinwinter]

226. I believe you are addressing someone else.

I have never made any comment whatever regarding "remorse".

I last cleaned my refrigerator three weeks ago, and plan to put it off as long as I can.

I was clarifying precisely what had and had not taken place regarding Andy, to correct some ridiculous speculations in this thread.

[benburch]

229. You clean your fridge?

I think mine still has chinese takeout from 1993 in it.

[troubleinwinter]

230. Once a year (or so) like clockwork.

Ya know, if you find something in there that is more than 15 years old, you can call it an "ancient artifact", and sell it on eBay.

[Neshanic]

234. It was broadbased to the individulas that had a fridge to clean last night

[benburch]

227. Go somewhere you might be appreciated.

Because that isn't here, you complete jerk.

[Neshanic]

235. Jerk, because I do not think of Gannon as you and your pals?

try dishing out cafeteria morality to someone who cares. Maybe you can turn Gannon into a human. I have no respect for the the person who could be capable of such a litany of crap.

He's a scumbag. Can't handle it? Tough.

[Catherine Vincent]

228. The only person I could see to have such scorn for Gannon would be

Daschle. Are you him?:-)

[Neshanic]

233. Nice little gang you have here now. Is that the plan of attack?

Get all your Gannon suck-up pals together and tell whoever disagrees with you to take a hike?

I'm staying, thanks.

[Catherine Vincent]

239. I don't want you to leave.

[Neshanic]

240. Nice tactics then. Get your gang all worked up. How dare....

someone not see what you all see.

I also do not need any permission from you as to if I leave or not.

Private talk that one up with Miss Forgiveness deleted posts.

[Catherine Vincent]

241. You should calm down.

I know you don't need my permission to stay or go. You made the comment that you are staying and I agreed that you shouldn't go. Lighten up....no one is ganging up on you.

Peace, my friend.

[Neshanic]

242. I just got told to take a hike from above. Don't pull the lighten up..

shit after you make a fucked joke about Daschle.

Gannon did that shit to him and it's a joke to you?

You go lighten up sweet pea.

[Catherine Vincent]

243. No, I was and still am upset with Gannon and what he did with Daschle.

And where did I make a joke about Daschle?

[Neshanic]

244. #228..."Daschle. Are you him?" "Happy face".....

Now parse your words carefully. Tell us how that is not a joke.

[Catherine Vincent]

245. Oh please.

If you take that as a joke against Daschle, then so be it... honeybunch.

[Neshanic]

248. Nice republican response. Sweetie Pie.

[Catherine Vincent]

249. Thank you.

Peace.

[Neshanic]

238. And as sfexpat and cat girl...

Looks like you two have quite the Gannon interest in common.

I see sfexpat had a little axe to grind up above....what, no symapthy for that individiual? Oh, I forgot, that person did not do all the things Gannon did. But that's between you two.

Cat girl, the sactimoniuos pal, with this tribe of Gannon, acting like an eight grader in social studies, makes sure that she's there to back up her pals.

You all as this little hit squad, and you all know who you are, sicken me.

Grasswire said it, you could not take it.

[sabra]

231. James Guckert (my take)

Haven't seen a Gannon thread here @ DU for awhile now. At least anything with some substance :-) Maybe it's worth emailing him ([e-mail]), you might find him more willing to talk these days?

Guckert isn't an "evil" person, but he has alot explaining to do, and the "was just lucky" line doesn't work. He had connections, and he needs to reveal them soon than later.

- Plame memo
- Prediction of when the war was to happen hours before the MSM knew
- Daschle attacks
- Press Gaggle hook up
- And the hundreds of visits to the WH with several weird time gaps.

Pass the popcorn guys...

Peace.

[progressivebydesign]

247. And Meiers was in charge of press passes at the White House?

This is becoming a particularly smelly affair. Hookers in the White House with a press pass who outs a CIA agent to retaliate against an Ambassador that spoke out against the president who benefitted from the hooker in the White House who used a press pass okayed by a supremely underqualified Justice nominee... reads like a bad paperback.

[wiggs]

270. Let's forget the hooker stuff

While the fact that he's gay and a hooker might be amusing, for a while, to those on the left who like to see the hypocritical neocons squirm, the reason progressives and everyone else should be outraged is that he was a fake journalist who was part of a larger effort to derail democracy.

This is important....This administration's effort to mislead and misinform the public has been taken to new levels and maybe has changed politics for the worse for decades. Many horribly bad, immoral, fatal decisions have been made because of this kind of thing.

As far as I can tell, he's still part of it.

And it has nothing to do with his sexual interests. His "day job" and sexual orientation is a distraction that keeps the conversation off of the real point. Let the freepers occupy themselves with other people's sex lives...

[Sydnie]

271. If it weren't for the exposure of his "day job" he would still

be in the WH press corp, having unlimited access to the WH and anyone in it. Sorry, but this time, his "day job" did and does matter.

[lostnfound]

251. Judge not lest ye be judged...& lest ye waste much time arguing

with people who should be your friends and comrades...

I don't know who or what Jeff Gannon is, and it's not my job to total up the sum of all of it to find out where he falls on the spectrum of human goodness and evil.

Seems like some get upset at the idea that 'the line between good and evil crosses every man's heart'. (I think that's Jung).

[benburch]

263. That was exactly my point.

Thanks!

[EFerrari]

266. It's either Jung or Woody Allen

:)

[KerryReallyWon]

252. Keep this thread alive..

I beiieve Gannon will be very important to the Plame investigation...
:popcorn: :nuke:

[sepia_steel]

253. Observations

1. I haven't seen anyone say 'Hey! Jeff's a stand up guy, you should all forgive and forget!' They're just saying that they respect that he made one very good choice - to not defame Andy. They did NOT say that everything else Jimmy/Jeff has done was by any means okay.

2. I found the 'moral compass' comment about him a little more than perplexing, and troubling... I mean, he's still typing up nice, warm, 'the left is evil' messages on his paltry little blog. I CAN understand he saying that he showed signs of that ONCE, because it sounds like he did.

3. I don't believe he's got friends in high places anymore. He's pandering for donations on his blog. He's "without an income". Though I can't take anything he says at face value, come to think of it...

4. I don't think he's the most evil bastard on the planet, but I DO identify with both sides - this is a guy who's had a painful life and who has done some reprehensible things that were bad for our country and its citizens. I respect that he once made the right choice, but the rest of what I know about him outweighs this. Then again, see #1. No one said he was Mr. Wonderful.

5. I don't think we need to label and attack eachother for having a difference of opinion about Jeff Gannon.

6. I do hope Gannon will sing from the top of his lungs. He fucked us over, but he got fucked over, too. Not that I feel very sorry for his ass (no pun intended).

[canichelouis]

256. Fact of life

People of Gannon's ilk are likely to make what appears to be the 'right' decision for the wrong reason

[nolabels]

262. Eating my hat, just when I thought nothing could surprise anymore

SCOTUS nominee is actually Madame Pimp, how convenient :shrug:

[Bethany Rockafella]

264. Gannon told Anderson Cooper that.....

he was not given special information by the White House or by anybody else, for that matter. Well now, what is his definition of special?

[Chicago1]

267. Gannon/Guckert CAN'T GO TO JAIIL FAST ENOUGH

I CAN'T WAIT until he's in jail. He can KKKarl can "share" a cell together. (Clear throat).


THE REVOLUTION CAN'T COME FAST ENOUGH.

[cynatnite]

273. This is only worthwhile if he does some rolling over...

He's got to dish the dirt on what he knew and when he knew it.

Other than that, I could care less about an ex-hooker wannabe journalist.

[Avalux]

274. Locking.

The amount of personal attacks in this thread would take way too much time to remove. Sorry for the lock. Maybe next time this subject is discussed, it can be done civilly.