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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 10:46 PM
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Why is Ann Coulter allowed to lie about what the liberal researchers
said regarding the correlation between abortion and the crime rate? If I remember correctly, when this first came out about a year or two ago, Bill O'Reilly reported it on his O'Reilly factor and seemed to think it was a positive finding. The conclusion, from what I remember, was that from the time that abortion was made legal, the crime rate appeared to go down.

Then everybody forgot about it until Bennett slipped up and let his conservative roots show when he extrapolated and said that crime would go down if all black babies were aborted. The racist implication, which was never stated in the original study, was that blacks are innately inclined to commit crime. That was all Bennett's doing.

Then Ann Coulter jumps into this mess and says that it's the Liberals who reached that conclusion, not Bennett. WTF? Have I stated this progression correctly? If not, someone please feel free to correct me. You can see the Ann Coutler segment with Bill Maher on crooks and liars.
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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 10:49 PM
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1. Lies are never challenged by the infotainment business
It's like pro wrestling. The lies are part of the show.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 10:55 PM
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3. You're right. We have few if any real journalists in the corporate..
media. Just talking heads catapulting the propaganda for the corporate elite. They barely even bother to mauin tain a veneer of credibility anymore.

RememberVietnam? There were reporters out in the bush with bullets flying all around. WTF is up with reporting in Iraq?

:wtf:
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 05:36 AM
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14. Well, now that we understand the depth of her lie, she should be
Rhoaded out the next time someone gets a chance to get a piece of her.
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MsConduct Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 12:22 PM
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30. Great analogy. But let's not forget, there are plenty of people
who believe pro wrestling is real and would also believe 'infotainment' was the gospel....I think they all voted for the dub.
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shenmue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 10:50 PM
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2. Why is Ann Coulter allowed to lie?
Because she's evil.

:mad:
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 05:39 AM
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15. Why is everybody being nice to her about it?
Is it because she's blonde and blue eyed? She mentioned this some time ago, that the right like her because she can get away saying things that they cannot because she's blonde and a woman. Are we holding back for the same reason?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 10:56 PM
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jaded_at_best Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 11:06 PM
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5. Why is she allowed to lie about ANYTHING? n/t
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 11:15 PM
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7. free speech---
you must know someone who makes up crap just to make themselves what they are not..
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 05:43 AM
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16. But why aren't we doing a better job of calling her on her lies?
She slips out some incredible whoppers, and only the Canadians have managed to treat her the way she deserves to be treated. With pity, like I imagine you would when you had to respond to a babbling parasitic head.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 11:13 PM
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6. what i don`t understand is how or why anyone
listens to what she has to say. she has an audience of several tens of thousands of idiots who are officially brain dead. i like how she makes shit up and those brain deads chant "more- mistress ann- more".
her 15 minutes of fame has long expired
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 05:45 AM
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17. I know tthe right are beginning to dislike her.
But she's still the darling of the Federalist Society. I guess it says a lot that she's their mascot.
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Balbus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 11:17 PM
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8. A little thing known as freedom of speech - eom
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 05:46 AM
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19. Then I imagine everybody has the same freedom to correct her.
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 11:18 PM
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9. They lie about everything.
Why would this be any different?

The only challenge they get is from MediaMatters. Period. Kurtz and the other hack lackies are useless as tits on a boar hog.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 05:47 AM
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20. Then we must point out their lies every time we hear them and
show the rest of America that these buffoons are not worth listening to.
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 09:22 AM
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28. we piss and moan about it but so what?
Edited on Sun Oct-09-05 09:23 AM by Pepperbelly
No one knows except a few internet keyboard commandos. The media certainly won't tell it.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 11:24 PM
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10. 1st Amendment is a real bitch sometimes
It lets us say what we want and lets us lie if we want. It also lets others debunk our lies just as easily.

Of course debunking Ann is like learning to dance the waltz at a rave: relatively really easy but really not worth bothering.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 05:50 AM
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21. It's always worth bothering to do if it shows those moderate Republicans
that their fundamentalists are flawed.

And I think we've found the Republican's Achilles heel. They're not only liars, but they know they are and no one calls them on it.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 12:05 PM
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29. They just stick their fingers in their ears and
"consider the source."

We're lefties and obviously want to destroy the world. :eyes:
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 11:24 PM
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11. the study had NOTHING to do with race or liberals
it was by a prize winning economist. The crime rate went down 20 years after Roe v Wade. He compared the results to Romania where 20 years after making abortion AND birth control illegal, the crime rate skyrocketed. There were other facts he based his conclusion on.

The study has been out for some time but is being talked about lately because it was included in the best selling book, Freakonomics. The book is a "collection" of many of Leavitt's (the econmist) conclusions. If you read the whole book, not just this one study, there is no way to conclude he's a lefty. Some of his conclusions do not support liberal "ideals". (Like what makes for kids who do well in school. He concludes its not what you do but who you are.)

Read the book. It's short and easy to read and fascinating.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 05:52 AM
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22. Excellent!
You think with these facts, someone could demand an apology from Ann Coulter. How did she get away with calling them liberal then, if their conclusions are anything but liberal?
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 11:41 PM
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12. It's expected to lie.



That's the way their side does things. Tune in to the Limbaugh Dog n Pony Show some time. Lies, half-truths, exaggerations and distortions galore.


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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 05:54 AM
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23. Oh, I know that. I'm collecting a list of right-wingers who have pretty
much admitted that they lie - do what it takes to get at the Left.

I have on the list so far:

Ralph Reed
Rush Limbaugh
Ted Olson
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 12:34 AM
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13. She is allowed to lie...
because she is a Republican. Free speech is not a right for Democrats or liberals. Republicans are allowed to do whatever they want: lie, cheat, steal, kill - even send our soldiers off to die for a lie. Go ahead - tell me I'm wrong.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 05:55 AM
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24. My point is, maybe it's time we stop letting them get away with it.
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fleabert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 05:45 AM
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18. why the hell does Bill Maher call her a friend?
I wish he had called her on all her shit in that segment, but at least he made it clear he thought she was being obtuse by saying that crime wasn't caused by poverty, and he got the last word, she looked really pissed about that.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 05:56 AM
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25. I'm afraid the answer is because they're entertainers.
That's why she's his homie.
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klyon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 05:58 AM
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26. Yes you are correct, I hadn't heard what Ann Coulter said
Crimes are committed by all by people of all races so pick one and kill all the babies....crime would go down..... The part missing in Bennett's approach is his kill would be a crime so crime would not go down but rise. Bennett is foolish on many levels. The original study was comparing two separate statistics and drawing a conclusion that may or may not be related but is none the less interesting and provocative.

KL
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 06:09 AM
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27. When will Ann the Man admit Canada DID NOT send troops to 'Nam?
She's stupid. She's wrong 99.99 times out of 100. She's a rightwingnut bimbo.

What more to say? :shrug:
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