Michael Savage says the subway terror warnings were bunk...

[CoffeeCat]

Ok, you know this administration is in trouble when the conservative radio talk show hosts frankly state that BushCo is issuing "nefarious" and "false" terror alerts!

I heard this last night on the radio, and I was absolutely floored.

Savage is a complete liberal basher. He's a hard-line conservative and most often, an apologist for Bush's actions and policies.

Last night, Savage began his show by discussing the New York subway terror alerts. He said these warnings were concocted and false.

I didn't hear him explain why the administration would manufacture fake terror warnings, but he droned on for at least 15 minutes about how fake and silly these warnings were.

The Savage remarks are important, because they showcase the bigger picture. Conservatives are not just turning against Junior--they're pissed. Bill Kristol, George Will and Robert Novak have all spoken out against BushCo. They seem united in their disdain for Junior. Novak wrote a column about an elite group of conservatives who met in Aspen. They're very angry at Junior, and this was before the Meiers nomination.

And now...right-wing, conservative radio hosts are calling him out on the carpet for issuing false terror threats?

Ladies and gentlemen...this is very, very good news. We all knew the light of day would reach inside this dark administration and expose their pathology.

I think we should all be hopeful that things are quickly spiraling downward for Junior and his cronies.

[enlightenment]

1. Wow.

You can listen to Savage? You must have a cast-iron stomach!
Hopeful news, though.

[CoffeeCat]

7. I know...like another poster said...

...I take one for the team--when I listen to this stuff!

I don't listen often, just a few minutes leaves me with the sudden need to get to a roll of Tums.

The man is so full of bitter hatred and vitriol. He's a walking aneurysm waiting to implode. I've never heard such bitterness from anyone EVER. I guess that's why he's on the radio...his emotions are just so over-the-top.

He hates liberals with a white-hot passion.

So, when he calls the pResident on the carpet for issuing false terror reports--I think that's huge.

I will continue to listen! However, I can only endure it for up to 15 minutes.

I do what I can for the people! :)

[converted_democrat]

18. Thank you for taking one for the team!!!

This is great news! The natives are restless!

[berni_mccoy]

2. The Pigs are flying and Hell Just Froze over!

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

3. Novak is one of bushco's main errand boys. One wonders if he is

trying to distance himself a bit with this sort of criticism, as certain legal proceedings, ahem, proceed.

[CoffeeCat]

20. I think Novak drew a line in the sand with this recent column...

http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/robertnovak/2005/09/22/155676.html

I think it's obvious that he is no longer on the team.

Also--I remember that Rove insisted that Novak told him about Plame. I bet that really pissed Novak off. Remember how he blew a gasket on CNN and hasn't been seen on-air since?

I'd be pissed too!

Rove used Novak to leak the information about Plame, and then Rove points the finger at Novak. Man, these people are snakes!!!!

I bet you anything that Novak told Fitzgerald that Rove told him about Plame. Also, Cooper has emails that prove that Rove told Cooper. Rove is now on his fourth trip to the grand jury. He's going down!!

Combine all of this with Libby's words to Miller in that poem. He was telling her that it's ok to talk now...because the Aspens have turned--and they all turned together ("in clusters, because they are connected at the roots")--because they are pure conservatives and married to a common cause.

These Aspen conference attendees--who are true conservatives--are furious at Bush for abandoning conservative ideals. They're "turning"--so Libby was telling Miller that it's ok to stop protecting BushCo officials who are no longer supported.

That's my 2 cents anyway--which is based on the insightful words and insight from DUer "petgoat".

[TomClash]

4. The Bush Administration didn't issue the warnings

NYC did.

[Marr]

9. But the Bush Administration provided the "threat info" to NYC,

and after the fact were saying that they didn't take the threat seriously.

When was the last time you heard of that happening? The Bush Administration is usually the first to shout "terror threat", that we have to take all threats seriously, etc., etc. In this case they made sure to put the onus on local government rather than themselves, since it was such an obvious case of wag-the-dog. Indictments were expected at that time, after all.

[DoYouEverWonder]

10. They had no choice

They had to go on the info they were given by the Dept of Homeland Security. If they choose to ignore that info and if something 'happened' they'd be in deep do-do.

[CoffeeCat]

14. That's exactly right...

The administration knew that if they gave the local NYC govt this information--that NYC officials would be forced to act.

The administration knew very well that if the pulled the strings, the puppets would automatically react.

[CoffeeCat]

11. That's true...but...

...NYC officials were the ones front-and-center---claiming that they independently issued the warnings.

...city officials don't make these decisions in a vacuum. This was obviously a decision made with the administration--to have a press conference and to manufacture a staged production.

No city would issue warnings like that, without working in tandem with homeland security or the White House.

And isn't it such a coincidence that the press conference happens when Bush's polls are tanking, Rove was called to the grand jury again--and on the heels of Bush's "fear the terror!" speech last week?

Like Savage said--the information about this threat probably isn't credible. Savage said that they probably tortured the information out of a prisoner--and how can that be reliable? Information about this threat wasn't gained by intercepting legitimate communications. Some guy who is imprisoned probably wanted out and he made it up. Or, as Savage said--"to stop them from melding his fingers together with a blow torch".

This was not a credible threat, any more than the last NYC financial alerts were. They stopped traffic and closed tunnels--based on "terror plans" that were discovered, which were months old.

[TomClash]

24. This misses the point

which I should ahve articulated. I didn't hear the broadcast but Savage may have been attacking it because it was coming from a less conservative voice, Bloomberg.

I will go all of you one better. Maybe Bloomberg announced it because it upstaged his nonappearance at the debate with Freddy Ferrer Thursday night.

Then again firemen responded to a bomb threat last night on F and A lines at Jay Street in Brooklyn last night so ZI'm not so ready to blame it on propaganda.

[Straight Shooter]

5. Is he one of those "roots" that are turning in clusters?

Was Liddy referring in his *cough* love letter to Judas Miller that the roots turning in clusters is a reference to a backlash against Little Boots and his agenda?

IOW, throw the captain overboard, save the U.S.S. Republican.

[wallwriter]

8. I was thinking of that, too.

Wow, so Cheney is trying to figure out how to make Bush into the sacrificial lamb instead of vice versa. But I don't think even the Lord of Darkness himself could pull that one off...Might be fun to watch, though.

spelling edit

[DoYouEverWonder]

12. Fitzgerald has split the team

In this corner we have Bush & Rove vs Cheney and Libby in the other corner.

[CoffeeCat]

17. Yes....another poster figured this out...

I will try to find the post. Another DUer figured out the symbolism in Libby's post.

I'm paraphrasing this DUer's ideas...but essentially, the conference in Aspen is the key.

Libby's poem talked about the "Aspens turning." That major conference in Aspen, was comprised of major conservative players. The common theme of that Aspen conference, was their unhappiness with Bush.

Novak said that all information at the Aspen Conference was "off the record". However, he still wrote a column saying that Bush needed to know that his friends had turned against him. Obviously, Novak had the blessing of conference attendees, to say those words. These elite conservatives want Bush to know that they're not happy.

As the DU poster so insightfully pointed out--Libby was telling Miller that...it's ok to come out now and tell what you know--because those who are all "connected at the roots" are turning against Bush. No need to protect someone (or an administration) that no longer needs protecting.

I'll find these links, including the Novak column.

[CoffeeCat]

19. Links to "petgoat"'s very astute observations. A must read!!!

I swear, DUer "petgoat" should garner some kind of award for his/her sleuthing on this issue.

No one caught the "Aspen" connection, but "petgoat" did. I'm grateful and impressed.

Here's the post.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4985051#4985445

Link to Novak's column about the conference of elite conservatives who met in Aspen. The column is titled, "Bashing Bush in Aspen".

http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/robertnovak/2005/09/22/155676.html

[acmavm]

21. Interesting column. Interesting. But did you notice the obnoxious ad

on that page????

edit: tried to paste it here. Wouldn't work. You just have to look for a woman with here mouth unattractively wide open bitching about dating 'a liberal'.

[Straight Shooter]

25. Thank you, TwoSparkles.

Radical conservatives say liberals are so open-minded that their brains fall out. But their minds are so closed that the facts never get in there to begin with.

Thanks for looking this up. I was not aware of the Aspen connection. I was aware from other DU'ers comments that Libby was not writing an ordinary letter. What baffles me is how stupid he thinks everyone is, as if no one is going to figure it out. Maybe radical conservatives have fooled so many for so long, they assume everything will go over everyone's heads from now on.

[mandyky]

6. Holy crow!

Say it ain't so - two of bush's most detestable supporters turn on him ina week - Mikey and Annie!

[Straight Shooter]

16. Not just the Savage Weiner and the Mann, but George Will, too.

He just called the bush administration "insolent and arrogant"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5015751

[katmondoo]

13. If O'Reilly turns it will be the end

I know so many repukes that only listen to O'Reilly and what he says is the truth and the only truth they will believe.

[TheFarseer]

15. I heard him say around July of this year

Why was there a terror alent issued every other week in the run up to the election, but not one since? We prides himself in not being a bush "water carrier"

[Beelzebud]

22. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

[wtmusic]

23. Great to have Michael Savage on board

...not