If Miers goes down, will Bush go further Right for his next nominee?

[Quixote1818]

Thats what worries me. Thoughts?

[Rowdyboy]

1. Luttig or Alito.....Maybe Jones

Hard right to reunite his base

[DoYouEverWonder]

2. So, then he can try again

and again and again, until he gets it right. By that time he will be out of office so it won't matter.

There is no reason in the world at this point that Bush should be allowed to nominate any more key people to anything.

[Kazak]

9. You can say that again!

:crazy:

[TheCowsCameHome]

3. I'd bet he would. But I think Miers will get in.

[IowaGuy]

4. Yeah, hard right.....the tin foil hat guy in me kind of wonders...

if that wasn't the plan all along.

[pattim]

7. 55 seats means

you don't have to have this kind of "cunning plan" that drains base support and embarasses the party. This certainly wouldn't make Democrats more likely to support a hard-right candidate, not when they're acting so favorably to Miers.

[IowaGuy]

14. Yeah ,assuming it gets to a vote......

you are probably right...
however, I'm kind of wondering if they don't try to withdraw the nomination, blame the Dems, (doesn't matter if its true or not, MSM will just go along and be the propaganda machine) and then put the Dems in a weak position to pull a filibuster when he nominates a flamin' right winger in her place. Win, Win for Bush...has 55 to get his mominee...shores up base....appears to the casual (non) observer that he tryed to appease Dems and boosts his approval ratings...ok, ok, I know that's all very Rovian and out there, it's just an indication of how anytime these guys do anything, the first thing I do is look past what they say and try and figure out what they are really up to.

[pattim]

5. Certainly he will.

If Miers dies, it won't be Dems couldn't stand her, but because the far right thought she was too moderate. Her replacement *will* be further right, and *will* get through.

[Quixote1818]

8. So we probably should just vote for Miers then. It's not worth

taking the chance and ending up with someone much worse.

[highplainsdem]

11. That's my take on it.

[pattim]

18. I would recommend letting her squeak through,

after a long, drawn-out argument in which 3/4 of Democrats berate her for being incompetent, and the other 1/4 say, "Well, she might not have the qualifications, but sure, why not?" and vote for her. Hopefully we can keep the bashing going on until the opening of the '06 campaign, starting them on the defensive. Then run on an '06 broad campaign of cleaning up cronyism, embodied in Miers and Brownie, and corruption, embodied in Frist and DeLay.

[cassiepriam]

6. Brownie is available, and he has the right qualifications.

[blm]

10. Yes.

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[TallahasseeGrannie]

12. Yes

He'd rather piss off the Dems than the RW again. They always have the nuke option and if he uses that his base might come back.

So as yukky as she is, perhaps she is the best person given the long range situation.

But I could be talked out of this opinion VERY easily.

[Quixote1818]

17. I sure would like to know what James Dobson knows that we don't know

Then again, Rove could be playing Dobson or Dobson is just saying what they want him to say.

The Dobson endorsement is what really scares the shit out of me.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

24. Yes

I think that we can trust just about anyone Dobson hates.

[Mz Pip]

13. Miers strikes me as

about a s far right as one can get without the papertrail to prove it.

Interchangable wingnuts. They are all the same. The reason the RW doesn't like Miers is that they wanted a fight so they could hammer at the Democrats more. Someone with a papertrail would be more likely to generate a fillibuster. I think the RW wants a fillibuster and then have the Dems end up capitulating yet again, coming out weaker than before.


Unless the Dems are will to use the fillibuster over and over until Bush gives us a Justice that isn't right of Attilla the Hun, we will get Miers, or Luttig or Jones. Interchanable anti-choice corporatate appeasers, every last one of them.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[ruggerson]

15. Apparently Consuelo Callahan was his second choice

and she is a conservative in the John Roberts mold. She would probably raise some ire on the far right, but would probably be easily confirmed since she has the bona fides for the job, while Miers does not.

[ClintonTyree]

16. Sure, he'd have to.

The neo-cons (hell, even the paleo-cons) expected as conservative a nominee as there could possible be. They won't be happy until they get a dyed in the wool theo-fascist with a paper trail a mile long. It really doesn't matter who they choose, Miers will do the theo-fascists' bidding as will any other bush nominee. The Democrats will be filibustering from here to 2009 with the choices bush presents. The Supreme Court, and the American Public, is screwed. Women's rights are going to take a big hit along with environmental laws and personal freedom. I see no way around it, save the quick impeachment of bush.

[me b zola]

19. I'm not sure that he would have the opportunity to nominate another

I'm not suggesting that anyone should count on the possibility of the entire administration going down, but it is a possibility.

We should approach Miers for who & what she is. Besides being a vastly under qualified crony of bush*, it strongly appears that she has promised votes to certain interest groups.

Remember, for all of the wing-nut fundies who are opposing them (so far, but remember rove has privately convinced Dobson that she is the "right" choice), there are other repubs whose constituents do not want religious zealots on the SC who will take away their rights/liberties.

If Miers is rejected, bush* may go further right with a nominee, but right now the repub party is fractured, and we may see a revolt from the other side of their party.

I say encourage the repubs to destroy this nomination & state our case as to why she is not a worthy nominee. They are a weakened party, and I suspect that after the indictments coming soon they will be on life-support. :hi:

[longship]

20. Who says Miers isn't extreme right?

I mean, other than the lunatics who fell for Reid's ultra clever rope-a-dope?

And, yes, just like Roberts, and just like Miers, the next appointee will be a RW extremist. That's all we'll see from this guy until he can be defanged.

[Inland]

23. That's my feeling.

We don't know for sure if Miers is a right wing lunatic, but Bush does, and that's enough of a clue for me.

She could be another Thomas, who has one wrong idea in his head and just votes with Scalia.

[Perky]

21. Rock and a hard place

I think they are going to ultimately pull Meiers.. But then what. If he goes with a known conservative.. it will look like he is owned by the right and the Dems win a fillibuster.


If he goes with another moderate.....maybe the wingnuts fillibuster. He has to get to 60 with a consensus candidate. I don't know what he does except maybe put a senator up.

Oooh wait....What about Sharzenegger.....lol just kidding

[jmowreader]

26. The wingnuts won't need to filibuster

I don't know how many times I have to say this: Filibuster, veto and impeachment are all tools to be used against the opposition.

If your side doesn't want to do something and your side's in the majority, it just doesn't get done. It can be tabled, the leadership can tell its rank & file to vote against it, it can be killed.

The advantage that the Repugs have over us is that they vote as a bloc. Should Arlen Spector decide he doesn't want one of Bush's nominees to get out of his committee, that nominee will never get out of it--every Republican on the committee will vote against Bush.

[bowens43]

22. Absolutely.

[MojoXN]

25. I'd rather have an intelligent ultra-Rightist...

Than Harriet I'm-a-treasonous-fascist-Bush-worshipping-retard Miers. Scalia, unpleasant though he may be, USUALLY interprets the Constitution fairly, albeit with an extremely narrow focus. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Scalia vote against the recent expansion of eminent domain to include private projects?

MojoXN

[UTUSN]

27. Well, Yeeeeesssss n/t

[DS1]

28. He hung her out to dry, and let the Dems get their licks in

and when the real choice comes up he'll bitch and complain about how mean the Dems are - and they'll cower down like they always do.

Pretty obvious to me

[AZBlue]

29. Of course! That was the plan all along.

And then he can blame the Dems because we've shot down "two in a row."

Miers is just part one of the game.