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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 04:16 PM
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Folks.. we need to STAND BACK and let Reid the other Dem's handle Mier..
This is choice, Reid has hamstrung Dimson on this one...

- Reid SUGGESTS Mier to Dimson, and he took the bait, hook-line-and-sinker. It appeals to his 'crony gene'.

- Reid KNOWS that an 'unknown' and not the HARD RIGHT will make the NeoCon Masses INSANE and most other repub's as well.

- Reid and other Dem's make 'mostly complimentary' words on her and realy avoid ANY criticism, but no 'judicial praise'. In other words, mildy positive to neutral.

- Meanwhile, the 'Pugs are going BALLISTIC, and by the time it's done expect to see either she never makes it out of committee or enough 'pugs vote AGAINST her that she's never confirmed, mind you it may get so bad that he withdraws the nomination.

- Now, shold all this happen and Dimson goes to the Ultra-Reich....

THE DEMS ARE FREE TO OPEN FIRE, FILLIBUSTER AND GO AT IT TOOTH AND NAIL...

the rethoric of "They're nothing but obstructionists' is dead-on-arrival.. they didn't do ANYTHING to stop Mier (except perhaps vote with some other 'pugs, and then how's that 'obstructionist' when the 'pugs are doing the same thing.

Y'all need to read up on your Uncle Remus and B'rer Rabbit....
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 04:18 PM
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1. If all goes accordingly then yes, the Dems can...
use the filibuster. I hope it turns out this way.
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adarling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 04:19 PM
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2. I agree
Reid knows what he is doing...i admit i was pissed as hell when i heard this but i reacted instead of looking closer. They are really sticking it to them on this one and they will not be happy with the outcome i think. :)
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 04:21 PM
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3. Problem is
If the repugs kill off Mier's nom then Georgie is going to have no choice other than to go further to the right. Even so Mier is looking to be severely antichoice and having no judicial experience she is going to vote more on her emotions than on case law.
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 04:23 PM
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4. That's not the problem it's the solution...
Edited on Sun Oct-09-05 04:23 PM by Rosco T.
.. the Dem's have pretty much kept hands off Mier, so they CAN'T be called 'obstructionist' when he comes out with the next Nazi and we roadblock... either way, we win.

It's the "One Piece" of this story :D :D
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 04:30 PM
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6. I hope so
But I am a skeptic in these matters. I fear the Dems won't be able to find their spine to stand up against the next nom. And all it really takes is for the repugs to dbl team us to reverse it. If they throw up a nazi and they get borked they can just throw up another stealth nazi and then proclaim us obstructionists.


And nice tie in to Luffy!
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 04:32 PM
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7. (chuckle) Love the show..
just got the DVD set from Japan, up thru episode 320 !
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 06:27 PM
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18. Please tell me you are watching the subbed version
The dub and edit being shown in the US is making my eyes and ears bleed.
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 03:45 PM
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26. You think me a heathen Rethuglican??!?!
of course it's the subbed version.... :)
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 04:40 PM
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9. When are we going to stand up to the "obstructionist" charge and say
Yes...We ARE going to obstruct insanity!
Don't we get it? There will always be charges hurlled at us. That is what bullies do. When are we going to quit acting like battered wives and stand up to this twice unelected bully who has the lowest approval rating ever?
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 04:42 PM
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10. When we have something fresh to throw back (like Mier)...
.. and they can't 'backspin' things.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 09:44 PM
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21. If they can spin Max Cleland into a terrorist then they can try and spin
anything! We have to stand up to the spin. We have to stop being bullied.
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 04:23 PM
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5. Right the more Reid pat's her on the back
the more the Wacho Right wonders what he really knows. :rofl:
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 04:33 PM
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8. I have seen it the same way.
Reid's faint praise was too much like "condemn with faint praise" or maybe more accurately "condemn with feint praise." :evilgrin:

The firestorm on the right has resulted in some back room deal between Chimp administration and the ever-poisonous James Dobson of Focus on the Family. This is raising both warning flags and hackles in the halls of the Senate. The suggestion is that the information that Chimp withholds from Senators is identical to that which he shares with lunatic religious ideologues. Even House members have taken notice, something a President with both low approval ratings and low ethical standards should be fearful of doing.
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 04:43 PM
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12. "condemn with feint praise"
Oh, I LIKE that.....

and you called it... "Trust Me" is not the way to win allies...
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 04:44 PM
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14. Absolutely!
:toast:

It has created a food fight within the Republican party! They're so busy infighting that (if freeperland is any indication) most haven't even noticed what is going on with Plame! :rofl:
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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 04:43 PM
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11. I am up on my Uncle Remus
That's why I get so nervous every time I hear Phlush Phlegmball (the OxyMoron) screaming "Please, Brer George, nominate anyone you want, jus' don' give us dat ol' HARRIET MIERS!"
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 04:44 PM
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13. Trouble is, OxyMoron is REACTING, rather than THINKING...
.. and I'll bet he's never heard of Uncle Remus

(all this talking, I gotta get my copy of "Song of the South" out..)
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 06:02 PM
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15. how do you know she is not 'HARD RIGHT'?
that is the dilemma, nobody knows her, cept chimpy, and even the thugs know better than to trust his judgment by now :evilgrin:

the spoiled brats (neoCONs/rw wackos/digital BROWNSHIRTS) want everything their way and will tolerate nothing less.

i agree, that IF it's actually true (* lets a dem pic for him) it's a smart/lucky move on Reid's/Dem's part, but what would make it brilliant, at the end of the day, if Dem's were to use the reTHUGS own rhetoric/marketing, 'shes unqualified/unknown' and help set a precedent for revealing more records and in the end ultimately withholding their consent.

whether she - or the next rw wacko - gets seated or not is not the only thing at stake, since spotlighting their FAILURES in public is ALL we got left, by way of resisting and one day restoring JUSTICE, to our nation in the hopes of stopping the mass murder, rape & torture of innocent men, women & children, in OUR name, by winning the peoples support, one day.

peace



peace
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jim3775 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 06:13 PM
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16. I agree; and if the dems were to attack Miers and threaten a filibuster...
the radical fundies would put out the word that the dems will oppose her so they can keep quiet and let us take her down. And then afterwords, when they have gotten what they want they can score cheap political points by saying the dems are "obstructionist". Like I said the day she was nominated; our side's "approval" makes the radical RW spring into action and fight bush.
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 06:25 PM
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17. In the immortal words of Hannibal Smith...
I love it when a plan comes together.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 06:34 PM
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19. Reid was probably joking with Dimson.
"Hey, I know, why not make someone really really close to you the nominee?" "Since you don't believe in conflict of interest anymore...how about Miers?"
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 06:43 PM
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20. Let's just watch Reid sell us all out again....
Just like he has on every single nominee and every single piece of corrupt legislation to come down the pipeline....

It might behoove old "bitch a little then let 'em have anything they want" Harry to go back and look at what Bob Dole did- with a much smaller minority- in 1993-95.

That "obstructionist" was repaid with victories in the Senate and House that have stood ever since.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 09:52 PM
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22. If you're right, then Reid doesn't care anymore than B*** who sits on
the bench.

The question is: Are the dems clever enough to invent and pull off all this reverse psychology?
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 10:24 PM
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23. That would appear to be true
After making some noise about shutting down the Senate, the Dems caved and let Owens, Brown & Prior onto the Bench for life.

Those would have to be three of the most extreme nominees ever placed before the Senate-

Under Reid's "leadership," the Dems have give Bush and the far right every single thing that they've asked for. I see no indication that the embarrassing performance is about to change any time soon.

It actually makes me pine for Daschle.
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 01:21 AM
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25. I do NOT trust Reid nor the other dems
they have consistently (with a few wonderful exceptions) sold out Americans for the corporate interests.

We watched the GOP when they were the minority party -- they were tough and mean and they fought dirty.

The dems are wimps -- and Reid's voting record is piss poor awful.

He isn't on "our" side -- and laugh every time Reid "acts" tough and posters here at DU are so thrilled at Reid's act.

Reid has ALWAYS been an enemy of women -- and he will never ever change.

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javadu Donating Member (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 11:15 PM
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24. I Have Been Having a Good Time
trolling rightwing sights and expressing my extreme displeasure with Miers. I am stoking the fires and enjoying the show. I even called a local talk show on the government channel pretending to be one of their own and stoked the fires of discontent.

Is this wrong?
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