It's Miller Time - The Judy Miller story keeps getting juicier. Salon

[Quixote1818]

It's Miller time
Salon editorial fellow Aaron Kinney looks at the latest news about Times reporter Judy Miller.

Judy Miller isn’t the only one who has discovered previously undisclosed documents related to the Plame investigation. As Michael Isikoff writes in Newsweek, the attorney for Karl Rove found an email that Rove sent to Deputy National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley on July 11, 2003, the same day Rove talked to reporter Michael Cooper of Time magazine. The attorney, Robert Luskin, claims the email popped up after he employed a new set of search terms while trolling for electronic messages.

The email, which Luskin said he discovered sometime after Rove's testimony in 2004, was crucial to the investigation of special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, because it contradicted Rove’s statements to the FBI and the Plame grand jury, in which he never mentioned his conversation with the reporter, Isikoff writes.

As for Miller, the notes she turned over to the grand jury after she testified less than two weeks ago pertain to a conversation she had with Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, Scooter Libby, in June, 2003. These notes are of interest in part because they predate former ambassador Joseph Wilson's New York Times Op-Ed of July 6, the event that started the affair by allegedly triggering the White House to retaliate and reveal the identity of Wilson's wife, CIA operative Valerie Plame. Did Miller know Plame's identity before Wilson went public in July? In Wilson's book, "The Politics of Truth," he asserted that his name was "openly circulating among the press" in the weeks before his article was published. (He had served as a background source in numerous articles that year, including one by Times columnist Nicholas Kristof.)

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If Libby was not trying to slip Miller a message about how she ought to testify, as Mitchell and others have theorized, then what are we to make of this cryptic prose poem? One conclusion we can safely draw is that Miller and Libby are more than professional acquaintances. Based on that presumption, the relationship between Miller and the neoconservatives in the Defense Department and in Cheney’s office who orchestrated the Iraq war appears more and more suspect.

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[PDittie]

1. Is it code... or are they just

fucking?


:rofl:

[cantstandbush]

5. Does "Scooter" even screw women?

I thought he prefered folks like Gannon?

[tinrobot]

9. Perhaps

They seem like they're made for each other.

I wonder if they'll have conjugal visits once this is all over?

[The Stranger]

14. No one (and nothing) could ever "screw" that hideous wretch.

[ClintonTyree]

2. We've always known she's been a bush whore...

but little did we suspect she was doing the entire administration at the same time. Judy, Judy, Judy! Why the New YorK Times keeps this woman on the payroll is beyond me. Suffice to say the New York Times has lost all credibility and is no longer "the paper of record". I believe that honor now belongs, deservedly or not, to the Washington Post

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[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

10. Yes another one lost to the dark side forces.

She is Anakin's mother, too.

Shh. Don't tell anyone.

;)

[Mnemosyne]

3. .

:kick:

[enough]

4. If you want to read something really interesting about Miller, read this:

At dKos yesterday:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/10/9/192555/974
How Fitzgerald Might Expose the Niger Forgery Scandal through His Plame Investigation
by emptywheel
Sun Oct 09, 2005 at 04:25:55 PM PDT
Cross-posted at The Next Hurrah
I've said on multiple occasions that I don't think Fitzgerald has evidence yet from the Plame investigation pertaining to the Niger forgeries. I've said that Fitzgerald needed to flip Bolton and not just Judy to get to the Niger forgeries. But I think I was wrong. I think Fitzgerald may be able to get to the Niger forgery scandal too. Here's how.

Judy's discovery of a possible uranium forgery
As I described twice in my Judy series, on her ridiculously staged Indiana Jones expedition into the depths of the Mukhabarat, Judy "found" a document detailing a potential deal between Iraq and a Ugandan businessman to buy uranium. Here's the description she gives of that memo:

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I recommend this long and detailed analysis.

[Quixote1818]

6. It's good to hear the Niger forgeries are being brought up

It crossed my mind several months back that all that should really be checked into.

"Oh, what a tangled web we weave!"

[AuntiBush]

8. When They "First" Practiced to Deceive

Plame & Wilson were set-up, "before-hand."

[WillyT]

11. Whoa... That's Good Stuff !!! - Thanks !!!

:kick::bounce::kick:

Oh... and nominated too!

[rucky]

12. Chalabi n/t

[July]

16. emptywheel makes a very interesting and plausible case. nt

[Supersedeas]

13. the aspens....the roots

[blm]

15. Hmmm...anyone have inside info of exactly WHEN Wilson hooked up w/Kerry?

I wonder if that was another aspect of this game of discrediting Wilson with a pile-on that the press is refusing to report.

[KharmaTrain]

18. I Don't See A Connection There

Wilson came out for Kerry...BIRC that was after the Novak story and it wasn't much more than a tactful admission by Wilson that he supported Kerry. There wasn't any other involvement between the two.

The real Wilson threat wasn't helping Democrats as much as it was to hurt the "credibility" of this regime. How soon we now forget how this regime was riding high when the Wilson story came out...right on the fall-out of the Clarke story...that did ego damage, if not more, to this regime. They saw Wilson as another Clarke and when it was learned he was providing background, they did the work-up on him.

Just lump Wilson's piling on with those of anyone who speaks out against this regime. Doesn't matter who or what or where, the retribution is massive and purvasive.

[blm]

19. That was when he came out PUBLICLY and was being interviewed on news

shows about the outing of his wife.

But, he hooked up with him before that, along with others in the intel community. It made sense to me at the time because some of the more honest agents in intel would have been very familiar with Kerry's work unraveling IranContra and BCCI.

And it's apparent that much of what is going on today has its roots in those two scandals.

[KharmaTrain]

20. It Was Wilson's Background Work

Daily Kos has some great diaries on the timelines here and it's still a bit fuzzy to me since I never saw the articles the posts there refer to, but it appears Wilson came on the Rove radar in Fall, 2002 when the initial articles questioning the validity of the Yellow Cake and other Saddam/Africa/Uranium/Nuke stories that were being floated around.

I think what set Rove off wasn't any partisan work here, but the "pride" this regime has in ruthlessly keeping a lid on the news and the spin...and here was someone, who they knew knew the truth, pissing in their punchbowl. Remember, someone who kept visiting the CIA in the days running up to the Iraq invasion surely had to know about Wilson and Plame...and it was his "White House Iraq Group" that did the work up on Wilson and was where two key players here...Rove and Liddy intersect.

Consider that Rove had all but neutralized the Democrats and even Kerry on the issue of national security at that time. My bets are the slime boat smear was already in the can, too.

Yes, Kerry knew a lot about BCCI and Iran-Contra, but how often did he mention either during the campaingn. If he had all this dirt about how corrupt the BFEE had become and had the goods on those scandals we didn't know...then why didn't they come out?

These two scandals play into many more that are either unfolding or are still to be unraveled. What the Plame affair shows more than anything is this regime's total hubris and arrogance...thinking they could get away with anything and apparently got sloppy in the process. They're now about to pay...or so I hope.

Peace...

[blm]

22. That's the mystery about Shrum's involvement. He specifically stated that

BCCI was not understood by the American people and that it confused them.

I know that has to be hooey, because whenever I showed people the David Sirota article on BCCI, they understood it fine. Post 9-11 people would GET that funding terrorism is a BAD thing.

The times that Kerry DID bring up BCCI during the campaign, noone in the media bothered to mention it let alone discuss his role in it.

I wonder if too many Democrats are part of the coverup. Let's face it - Clinton closing the books on BCCI, when he had the chance to release more of its infornmation set the stage for BushInc to maintain and grow their power even while Clinton was in office.

Establishment Democrats have long loathed Kerry because of his investigations into IranContra and BCCI, and they may have their hooks into the campaign powerstructure of the Dem party.

[KharmaTrain]

23. Yep...It Got Too Close To Home

One of the central characters in BCCI was Clark Clifford who was in LBJ's cabinet and longtime Democratic party big wig. There were also many others who were dirtied by the scandal that some of us claim still goes on.

Several years ago, I saw an excellent special on the unofficial banking system that operates throughout the Moslem world...ideal for money laundering and BCCI scratched the surface on the large American corporates using this system, through BCCI, to launder billions. Surely there were Democratic dollars in there as well.

Also, BCCI was running concurrently to Walsh's never-ending Iran-Contra investigation. By '92 there was a fatigue on both investigations as they had dragged on too long and weren't "sexy". See how a stained dress can generate months of headlines???

Keep in mind, the Indonesian bank collapse that occured under Clinton and there was a connection between the Al Riady family and BCCI as well. But then that could take us on waaaaay off topic.

Peace...

[blm]

24. heheh...and that is why Octafish threads and posts are so important.

.

[Kolesar]

25. Apparently, I missed something important here ... eom

[blm]

26. Easy solution - Do a search on Octafish posts.

He's like an encyclopedia of articles, excerpts and links that go directly to the exposing of the Bush crime family.

That's why his threads always make the greatest page with scores of votes.

[Kolesar]

27. 'Cuz he has been on my "ignore" list since the 2004 primaries

[blm]

29. Easy enough to fix. Democracy is too precious at this point to disallow

information from those who work hard to put together sourced threads. Octafish is one of the best at that.

Heck, Boreal, alot of us were absolute warriors for our favored candidates. I have great respect for many of those I battled fiercely then, they always were sincere and true patriots throughout.

And there were some who who turned out to be GOP operatives.

Personally, I have never put anyone on ignore. I might miss something useful. You never know. Even bad information and posts can be clues to something else.

But, to each his own.

Peace.

[Kolesar]

30. I just checked my ignore list for the first time this year

5/13 still have rights and 8/13 were 'stoned, so there must have been gops in our midst. I recall having seen a few posters on threads that showed "ignored", so some people I did not appreciate are still alive and posting here. The ignore list gave me an easy way to achieve peace of mind on my favorite forum.

[catmandu57]

17. Who wants popcorn?

Damn, but this is all so interesting. It just gets curiouser and curiouser.

[Mr_Spock]

21. Dayum, pass the A-1 sauce - this steak is quite tasty but a little burnt!

:D

[Neil Lisst]

28. Down, down, down, the three little pigs are going down

Will defendants Rove, Libby, and Hadley please rise?



http://www.webcomicsnation.com/neillisst/

[lonestarnot]

31. Simply delightful!