New York threats were a hoax

[malaise]

Informant admits providing false information. Breaking on CNN.

Who would have 'thunk' that? Give me a break please. We knew.

[Daphne08]

1. There's a lesson to be learned in crying wolf too many times!

:grr:

[Lilith Velkor]

22. Question is:

How many more damn times will we cry, "Told ya so!"

:banghead:

[Barrett808]

2. Bush psyop. n/t

[rocktivity]

20. Bush psy-op against who? Bloomberg or the city?

That is to say, what does Bush gain by hurting Bloomberg? Yes, New York is a blue state, but Bush gains nothing by hurting Bloomberg's election chances. The other theory is that Bloomberg used it as a "legitmate" excuse to back out of debating in Harlem, allowing him to avoid openly courting the minority vote. I could see how DHS would take offense at that, especially if they really did tell him that the info was most likely bogus.

:headbang:
rocknation

[ellenfl]

27. maybe the feds were trying to improve their

credibility. they give bloomberg cooked intel and then say there is no threat.

ellen fl

[No Exit]

31. Bush psy-op against all us sheep

The Plame investigation is heating up. Time for a terrism (sic) speech, and then, just on cue, a terrist (sic) attack, so Junior can say, "See? I told ya so!"

Meanwhile, they're also busy ramping up as much panic as they can about "bird flu".

[rocktivity]

34. Flu pandemics--the new duct tape. n/t

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[No Exit]

35. Precisely!!!! Home Depot profited from the duct tape--and Ridge

was connected to that (and I think he was on the Home Depot board). Now it's the pharmaceutical companies' turn to get another huge windfall. After all, it's been 4 whole years since their big windfall from the Cipro "shortages" back when everyone was protecting against the anthrax attacks.

I believe the anthrax attacks were orchestrated by someone in league with the neocon warmongers. I believe the original idea was to have the anthrax attacks happen, then, later, to link them to Saddam Hussein. Obviously the second half of that plan didn't quite work. But I believe that was to be the big hysteria-stirrer to make everyone say "nuke Iraq!" the way everyone was saying "nuke bin Laden!" after the WTC.

There was a Dr. Phillip Zack who may have been tied to the anthrax matter. Has he ever been investigated? Of course not. Instead, the feds went after Hatfill--whom they knew would be a dead end.

[KittyWampus]

3. This time they were pimping "bombs in baby carriages" angle. You know,

be suspicious of that mommy strolling with her infant. Especially scary are the Jamaican nannies with white kids.

[marmar]

4. Now there's a shock...

And he probably just deposited a check with KKKarl Rove's signature on it.

[leveymg]

5. Indict and Impeach Bloomberg!

What WAS he thinking? I want to hear it under oath, and then I want to see him gone. That little stunt he just pulled was political terrorism.

[tk2kewl]

6. the supposed date of the attack was 10/9

what terrorist worth his salt is going to bomb the subway on a sunday

[Nimrod2005]

13. Bingo!

I kept thinking it all day Saturday and Sunday...Why a Sunday? I think if you torture the Iraqi guy in Abu Ghraib long enough and hard enough, he will start telling you thinks that get you excited!!!

What a fraud!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[tk2kewl]

25. i don't even think you need to torture someone for them to make shit up

adding to the hysteria is part of their plan.

[Maiden England]

7. I'm no longer capable of even feigning shock

:eyes:

[truthisfreedom]

8. and bush's numbers in major cities take another plunge.

good work, rove! you're thinking with the lizard part of your brain now that you're in a perpetual state of fear, facing indictment uncertainty.

[TomClash]

9. Terror Alert! Just a few hours before Bllomberg nonappearance

at Harlem debate. What a surprise.

[malaise]

11. Breaking news

According to the other thread on this topic, this is hours old
http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/29318.htm

Ah well, who will believe these liars.

[mshasta]

10. no shit....!

can't believe some tweet head still believes this shit..

[Catchawave]

12. Olbermann's Countdown is covering this in a segment

Weds night (MSnBC). The 13 terror alerts as a coincidence in the past few years to help *'co politically, especially after the DNC convention.

[rkc3]

15. Imagine a terror alert coming on the heels of a bush speech on terra.

Who'd a tunk it?

[Englander]

14. NYT - Threat Discounted, New York Eases Subway Alert

">snip

But Mr. Bloomberg and other city officials were adamant yesterday that they had made the right decision, to go public with the report and heighten security. New York officials described the threat last week as alarming for its specificity and timing, noting that information on the possible plot was strong enough to prompt a military operation that swept up three Iraqi men thought to be involved.

City officials also reiterated yesterday that they would much rather risk frightening and inconveniencing New Yorkers than be caught unprepared for an attack.

Law enforcement officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity because the information in the case is classified, said that an American investigation, conducted largely in Iraq, has yielded no evidence that a plot was in motion or being actively contemplated. The outlines of the alleged plot, based on the word of an informant, were that Al Qaeda operatives in Iraq were coordinating with others, some perhaps already in New York, to hide bombs in baby strollers, packages and briefcases and blow them up in subways.

But the officials said that after taking the three men into custody last week in Iraq, they found no fake passports, no travel documents, no viable travel route from Iraq to New York, and no apparent contact or telephone calls from those in Iraq to people in New York. In addition, the officials said that two of the men detained in Iraq had been given polygraph tests that indicated they were not part of any plot.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/11/nyregion/11threat.html?pagewanted=print

[malaise]

16. My only question is

did the informant ever exist?

[TallahasseeGrannie]

17. Okay, now..

who is this informant and is his name ROVE?


gosh, wouldn't THAT be fun?

[MGKrebs]

18. "Are you a terrorist?"

"No!"
Whack!
"Are you a terrorist?"
"Okay, yes!"
"What do you know about any terrorist activity in the US"?
"Nothing!"
Whack!
"What do you know?"
"Okay, there's going to be a, um, a bomb, in the, um, the subway, yeah that's it, the subway."
"Where?"
"In the subway!"
Whack!
"What city, moron?"
"Oh, um, Hollywood, no wait, New York! Yeah, that's it, New York!"

[lildreamer316]

19. Sur-prise, sur-prise

*said in best Gomer Pyle voice*

[zanne]

21. We're beginning to realize that the govt cant protect us from....

1) terrorist (9/11)
2) natural disasters (Katrina)
3) disease (avian flu)
4) big fat liars

[PuraVidaDreamin]

23. Keith Olberman comes out smelling like a rose!

Started with his coincidental terra alerts
last Friday I believe.

[Catchawave]

29. Thursday, 10/6 transcript:

Here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9619419/

We must watch Olbermann's back !

[No Exit]

33. He said last night (Oct 10) that he would do it again on Wednesday

With some new stuff added, I think.

[redqueen]

24. hahaha... I'm shocked! Shocked to learn this was a hoax!

Could this mean that the politically motivated reporting of terror alerts - as reported 5 months ago in Capitol Hill Blue - might actually be true?

Is that why Ridge publicly declared his disagreement with most of these alerts? Because he knew it would come out eventually?

[HereSince1628]

26. Well, we demonstrate once more that we are fully terrorized

OBL and other terrorists have succeeded in leveraging fear into an effective control of the United States.

Now mere words (often lies) told on the opposite side of the world are sufficient cause our authorities to disrupt the lives of 10s if not 100s of thousands, and force government into costly deployment of first responders.

This is a very important development for potential terrorist tactics. Not only is it a tool in its own right, a well leaked plot could decoy security assets and attention away from actual terrorist targets.

[MGKrebs]

28. While true, I think the focus here should be narrower.

If I recall, DHS was not recommending raising the alert, it was Bloomie all by himself. Bloomie heard the rumor and had a panic attack.

Unless he was lied to, he would have been told that the claim was coming from a single source, with no coroboration or known reliability.

The terrorists have won.

[HereSince1628]

30. Well, you agree the terrorist have won, and I agree NY mayor

put the response in motion.

The mayor said early on he had conflicting reports. What could a responsible person do with that? In the absence of other information I think I would make the same mistake he did by erring on the side that provides protection to the community, just in case.

Maybe the feds should have been more revealing about the nature of the source. But if this was a mihop operation n the part of neocons trying to protect Bush? The mayor would have been just as subject to being misled.

[leveymg]

32. Exactly. That's why the Clinton Admin's reponse to some attacks

(e.g., the '93 WTC bombing, the downing of TWA Flt. 800 a year later) was to publicly downplay them or even to pretend that they weren't terrorism at all. The term is minimalization.

Few people know that John O'Neill played along with this game in the early 1990s, and that he was the principal FBI investigator and spokesperson in the Flt. 800 case. Despite the numerous eye-witnesses who saw the upward arc of what was almost surely a ground-to-air missile that evening, and the explosive residue found on recovered pieces of wreckage, the feds had to strain credibility very, very far in order to claim that a 747 had been brought down by an electrical fault in a fuel pump.

While deception of the public is wrong, at least the Clinton Administration had a strategy of how to deal with the inherent pyschological advantage that terrorists enjoy. Absent extreme counter-measures (such as minimalization), terrorists usually do succeed, at least part way, in their goals of provoking fear and over-reaction.

When partisan politicians -- such as the Bush Admin. and Mayor Bloomberg --play the game the other way, by trumpeting and exploiting terrorist threats for political effect, they actually increase the damage of terrorist attacks, and aid and abet terrorism.