Who would you run against a black female republican in 08'?

[Dawgs]

Say a Bush loyalist, like Condi, runs in 08'. Who would you put up against her?

Would she get many votes from the African American community, or would they see her as just another crony? Would she steal many votes from women that voted Democrat in the past, just because she's a women.

Would Hillary be a good choice because she's a women, or would Obama be a good choice because he's black? Is there a black women that Dems could put up to counter a Condi? Does it matter at all?

This isn't really a question about Condi in 08', but more a question about minority voting, and if it matters if the person running is a minority.

I personally would like to see Barack Obama run. I think all Dems, and a record number of African Americans, would get out to vote for this guy. It wouldn't matter who the Republicans put up.

[jsamuel]

1. she scares me

and not in a political way

[Dawgs]

Who?

Condi or Hillary?

[jsamuel]

12. hehe... Condi

but I am not liking Hilary... she scares me in a political way

[yurbud]

23. condi can't stand on her own--she's not a good enough liar.

she has a spark of self-doubt or fear of being caught that leaks our when she lies that will allow her to be eaten for breakfast by anyone she debates.

She is more articulate than Bush, but not as soulless, which is a liability.

[rabid_nerd]

2. Al Gore

Just because he's the most qualified.

[lildreamer316]

15. Seconded.

Only one with a chance if that becomes a reality.

[xultar]

3. OBAMA with Clark as VeeP - I hope Clark would accept a VeeP slot.

[longship]

20. Obama needs some more time.

nt

[serryjw]

24. Please tell me you're kidding!

Obama is a long shot for VP, he is not qualified for President.Talk about pandering........!!!

[Dawgs]

32. I didn't say I want Obama to run in 08'

I was asking a hypothetical question about candidates that are minorities. I said someone like Obama, because I think it would counter any loss of votes from the black community.

Try reading and understanding my post next time.

[serryjw]

36. Since it's a hypothetic question

Obama has as much chance as Condi.

[tx_dem41]

40. Ummmm....serryjw wasn't responding to your OP...he/she was responding..

to xultar's who said:

"OBAMA with Clark as VeeP - I hope Clark would accept a VeeP slot."

[DU me]

26. WHAT??????

Obama?????? Maybe somewhere down the road but it is way too early for this guy to run for the WH.

Anybody could run against Condi and win.....if the votes were actually counted.

1st of all she is a woman...A woman won't win the WH. 2nd, she is black. There is no way in Hell that she would get enough votes to be President. Not that I believe that a "woman" and/or a "black" wouldn't be every bit as qualified as anyone else (and more qualified than GWB), but the Americans won't elect one to the WH.

[porphyrian]

34. Why's everyone freaking out about Obama?

He's going to be our first black President. I think people put far too much emphasis on experience. What good has that done with this administration? For all their experience, they're still a bunch of bumbling incompetents with ideological agendas and no finger on the pulse of the needs of average Americans. If they didn't control the media, we'd be dragging them out into the streets by now.

Obama only needs some air time and a chance to prove himself.

[populistdriven]

4. Most of the blacks in south would vote for Hillary

They know Condi sold them out.

[Dawgs]

6. Agree,

but I don't think they would mobilize behind Hillary, like they would for another black candidate.

[blm]

5. Condi is not going to run. The ads of her lying about 9-11 are certain to

sink her and the GOP powerstructure knows it.....and her quotes about mushroom clouds won't go down easy now that the Downing Street Memos have appeared.

[ET Awful]

7. All you'd need to do to sway any black vote away from Condi is

show a picture of her, then a picture of Farragamo's, then a picture of NOLA.

[serryjw]

28. Would make a great commercial!

You missed the people in Farragamo screaming at her ( we must cut away to Chaney signing the docs for his new house)

[leveymg]

8. All those black single Republican women out there might vote for her.

We could run a wombat and still win.

[MadisonProgressive]

9. John Conyers - President, Shelia Jackson-Lee VP

ALL BLACK - ALL THE TIME

[seabeyond]

10. they arent going to run a black, and they arent going to run a woman

they just spent a decade cultivating and feeding hate of balck and woman. they would lose their base and more

[Dawgs]

16. Again, I agree...

Republicans would be stupid to run a black person or a women. I could actually see 2/3 of Republicans staying home, rather than go out and vote for a black person.

My question was more hypothetical.

[seabeyond]

22. white hillary, or black conyers. one wall at a time n/t

[Cats Against Frist]

11. Oprah?

[noonwitch]

13. Hillary can beat Condi

Not for good reasons, necessarily. The racists will stay home, which will cost the republicans enough votes to elect Hillary.

[truebrit71]

14. You would run whomever is the nominee...because the GOP won't pick Condi..

...there is no way on God's green earth that the rank and file knuckle-draggers that are the modern republicans will ever, EVER, vote for an unmarried, black, female...

Sad as that may be, it is a solid fact.

Kinda-Sleazy Rice will NOT be the gop pick. Not in '08, not EVER.

[Hubris Heaver]

17. The most competent.

unfortunately our sytem seems to weed them out. We need someone who has charisma but isnt an empty suit. I like Obama, but am worried about the endemic racism of this country keeping him from being elected. On the other hand the the repugnicans run Condi it would be in our favorm since the rednecks won't show up for an election with two black candidates.
But first we gotta fix the voting machine problem and ensure fair elections!

[Mr_Spock]

18. Just about anybody

She's a person who lacks any substance - robots don't make good candidates...

[RubyDuby in GA]

19. I would run Obama against her

This question was posed on the radio station I listen to in the morning just this morning and I, in fact, was one of the callers they put on the air.

Hillary is too polarizing. I'm all about electing strong Democratic women and even I wouldn't vote for her. She carries too much baggage. But then again, I think so does Condi and anyone with half an ounce of common sense could use it against her quite effectively.

Whereas, he's relatively new to the senate and I question some of his votes, he's got far less baggage than either of those two females, especially Hillary.

And then there's the blatant racism. There is just no way certain parts of the country will, at this time, vote for a black woman. Georgia had a black woman running for the US Senate seat last year and she did quite poor (but in my opinion, she was the weakest of the top 3 candidates anyway). You say, but Obama is African-American. True, but he is of mixed decent and the good ol' boys will stick with a guy (if given the choice between Hillary and Obama or the choice between Obama and Condi - a black man would be better for them than a black woman).

[longship]

21. Condi will still be in prison in 08.

nt

[tx_dem41]

25. We would be foolish to not realize that she would at the very least...

pull away 10% of the African-American vote. This is already a voting bloc that in the last two elections has slowly decreased for the Democrats.

[salin]

27. LOL - I can't see Condi getting the GOP nomination

she would never make it through the GOP primaries. Even if this had been possible a year ago (which I believe is doubtful) - now she will be abandoned as she is too close to Bushco - and anyone running will need to be far far away from Bushco in order to win the primary (reverse of last election cycle per the dems - the GOP is going to be considering "electability" - and distance from bushco will be part of that calculation.)

[readmylips]

29. 64% white republicans never vote for a black skin American....

nor a brown skin for that matter. White supremacy is the GOP's motto. But they will use people like Rice, Power, and the new Atty General (hispanic) to split the demo party.

[serryjw]

30. 100% accurate

n/t

[tx_dem41]

41. That doesn't mean they won't vote for a "black skin" Republican..

But, go ahead...keep taking the African-American vote for granted. Psst...its been declining for us over the last two elections.

[Charlie Brown]

31. Condi is a pro-choice, single woman

There are Democrats who have a better chance of getting the Republican nomination than Condi.

[ellenfl]

35. condi is pro-choice?

so are laura, george h.w. and the silver d**chebag (thanks, george). do you think miers might be as well? i really don't think they want to overturn roe. it's too energizing for their base. altho' they can now use same-sex marriage as their rallying cry.

you could run any caucasian male against condi and win. the repugs won't vote for a woman, let alone a black woman.

ellen fl

[Charlie Brown]

38. She describes herself as "mildly pro-choice"

As recently as March, Condi came down solidly on the women's rights side of abortion.

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050311-115948-2015r.htm

"Miss Rice said abortion should be "as rare a circumstance as possible," although without excessive government intervention. "We should not have the federal government in a position where it is forcing its views on one side or the other."

"Describing pro-lifers as "the other side" is one of the ways Miss Rice articulates her position as a "mildly pro-choice" Republican. She explained that she is "in effect kind of libertarian on this issue," adding: "I have been concerned about a government role."

It would be very difficult for her to reconfigure these statements into a solid pro-life position.

[Terran]

33. It will never ever happen, so the question is moot.

I know some people think the repubs might actually try to nominate Condi or maybe Powell in '08 as some sort of back-handed attempt to steal the Dem's Big Tent fire, but it will simply never happen. They have far too many litmus tests for their candidates, and being Black and female is automatic disqualification in the eyes of a large majority of repub voters. Even a high profile white male like Giuliani is excluded because he's pro-choice.

[On the Road]

37. From a Strictly Political View,

the Democrats should run a conservative white male -- preferably but not necessarily from the South. That will draw far more Republican crossover voters than Rice would cost the Democrats, and would probably swing borderline red states such as Arkansas, Florida, and Virginia. It's been demonstrated that regardless of what polls say, white Southerners tend to vote for white candidates.

I'm not advocating that kind of move, because there's more to the equation than political strategy. The Democrats should simply run the best candidate.

[blindpig]

39. a ham sandwich

Or me. That would be about the stupidist thing they possibly do. Their neanderthals would stay home enmasse and defection from our side would be minimal. Hillary would be our worst choice in that case, the only thing that might get the knuckle draggers to hold their noses and go to the polls.

[Fleshdancer]

42. Anyone who can carry a tape recording of...

Condi reading the title of the August 6, 2001 brief: "Osama Bin Laden determined to attack inside America's borders"

[rogue emissary]

43. Almost any Dem would beat her.

She's against Affirmative Action and pro war. It's wishful thinking if she'd get half of the African American votes *w received. Add the fact that she's never spoken out for African American on issues like poverty, racial profiling and voting equality. I think it's some Republicans wet dream of hurting the Democrats and pretending they don't court the racist voters every election cycle.

She pretty much destroyed any chance of running with her dismal performance during the 9/11 hearings.

[ContraBass Black]

44. I don't care what color or gender the President is.

I want someone who will run this country right, rather than into the ground.

If it's a black person, so much the better.

If it's a woman--then things get interesting.

[phylny]

45. I don't think Condi Rice could win.

Republicans like my in-laws and their respective spouses would NEVER vote for 1) a woman; 2) an African American.

They just wouldn't.